Should have been our last hire. I know people in power read these boards and it's time to right that wrong. As a bonus, he can bring Rod Carey with him and we can start fresh.
Sean T Frazier
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Wasn't he the guy who had a sexual harassment issue on his resume? Ask Minnesota how that worked out.
If not, I apologize for falsely implying wrongdoing from the guy.
Why the negative view on Hermann? If I'm not mistaken, that is a newer viewpoint from you.
If not, I apologize for falsely implying wrongdoing from the guy.
Why the negative view on Hermann? If I'm not mistaken, that is a newer viewpoint from you.
A lot of money was paid to report on who would be the most qualified AD. Switching ADs now would be like throwing that money out the window...
I believe he had the issue of underage drinking at Wisconsin during bowl parties and the mishandling of a coach or administrator with regards to harassment issues. I believe there was a formal reprimand given to the athletic department. He also didn't hire Carey. If for some reason we ever have to make a change he's not the one I'm choosing given our history and media.
People keep bringing up Frazier but actually, this was the guy "they" (minus ks) really liked .......... dodged a bullet
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...used-inappropriate-behavior-article-1.1530940
In the end we made the right hire ....... despite what many here thinks.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...used-inappropriate-behavior-article-1.1530940
In the end we made the right hire ....... despite what many here thinks.
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Instead of quoting everyone I'll just make one post.
Yes, I'm aware of the underage bowl party. I believe it is a dead issue and he didn't get much heat for it.
I know he didn't hire Carey but it doesn't mean he can't bring him along. I'll worry about his hiring skills when we cross that bridge.
He should have been our last hire because he was most qualified except for being straight.
I don't believe he had sexual harassment issues. You are thinking of the stoney brook guy.
I like Julie and don't have anything against her just listening and reading the tea leaves
Yes, I'm aware of the underage bowl party. I believe it is a dead issue and he didn't get much heat for it.
I know he didn't hire Carey but it doesn't mean he can't bring him along. I'll worry about his hiring skills when we cross that bridge.
He should have been our last hire because he was most qualified except for being straight.
I don't believe he had sexual harassment issues. You are thinking of the stoney brook guy.
I like Julie and don't have anything against her just listening and reading the tea leaves
The willingness of some to turn a blind eye to Julie's past and mistakes while harping on others' is laughable.
Curious that these incidents you cite, in his lengthy and successful career, a career with substance and successful teams and fundraising achievements and facilities growth and increased responsibility, are not deal breakers at more successful athletics departments than ours, are career killers here. Maybe Rutgers view of the big picture is out-of-focus. And to boot, Frazier is often an articulate guest on XM Radio's College Sports channel -- a higher profile guy than we've ever seen around this media capital part of the country.
laugh all you want--but maybe we should clan house including your loved one
I said it in another thread but firing the AD and the HC at the same time would seriously set back the football program. I give her the benefit of doubt that she has a short list, has vetted, and is ready to offer/hire a new coach shortly after letting KF go. No decent coach will come here if there isn't an AD in place and that could be a prolonged process. Sure Jordan was hired by Barchi but I don't want him hiring our next coach and I don't believe anyone on the BOG is qualified to make that decision. You can kiss the recruiting class goodbye and write off any decent prospects from coming if this comes to pass. I'm certainly willing to give JH the opportunity to make this hire. I'm sure she learned a good deal about the hiring process from her time spent with Jurich.
That sounds a lot like you don't fire the head coach because you will lose the recruiting class. . . . .
Yes these fundraising achievements and facilities growth have been mentioned before and I asked for specifics and got no answer. How much was on him and how much was already raised prior and how far along were these projects before he got there and how much did the winning programs of Kill/Doeren/Carey (all coaches he did not hire) help achieve that goal?
I've not heard him interviewed to comment on that. If he had been around during the tenure of Pat Richter the guy who actually turned around the Wisconsin AD I'd be more open to overlooking the other stuff but he wasn't. Richter hired Bo Ryan and Alvarez and turned their AD around. BTW we're hardly the only one who turned him down. He was up for the BC position and I think at least one other P5 job and got neither and eventually settled at NIU. For such a great candidate and all the accomplishments you mentioned you'd think he'd have been picked up right away. Mizzou just had an opening too and filled it with the guy from Houston who BTW was a candidate when we hired TP and was my first choice at the time. Funny lots want HC experience for our HC but when it came to actual experience working in an AD most overlooked it.
It wasnt a big deal bc he's not working in NY/NJ. If he worked here he would be dragged through the mud just like JH was.
No he didn't have the sexual harassment issues like the Stony Brook guy I'm not referring to that. There was administrator or assistant coach who did and it was mishandled by the admin including him. There was harassment of player and they didn't do anything about it at first IIRC and only later took action. The underage drinking at bowls is something additional to that.
Like I said in a post above if he was around during the tenure of the actual guy who built Wisconsin up, I could overlook this stuff and the heat that might come from it but he wasn't so I'd rather pass. Also like I said we're not the only school who did BC did and I think at least one other P5 school and then eventually he landed up at NIU.
Should have hired Mack Rhodes in 2009 if we are going to go down that path.
Don't think we need to switch ADs right now, but if we were to do so, you can't worry about this. It is a sunk cost, you can't make a decision based on previously spent money.
Frazier's NIU football team is one that none of the big boys want to schedule ... Only Oregon and NIU have won at least 11 games in each of the last 5 years. NIU has played in its league's championship the last 5 years. That's a good starting point for a potential AD hire.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...linois-toledo-ryan-graham-rod-carey/75151130/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...linois-toledo-ryan-graham-rod-carey/75151130/
But he didn't hired the guy there now or the 2 previous who got the whole thing rolling.
The fact that its being called "his" program is outrageous. No other P5 program wanted to touch him because of his issues.
Listen. Ill admit it I was wrong. I wanted him over JH based on resume at the time of JH's hire. But since the hire and the info that has come out on both of them RU made the right choice.
Am Im missing something. Did something happen over night where we just HAVE to fire Herman? OR hell, even in the past year, other than not firing Flood midseason?
Also- its not nearly the same. One recruiting class is one class. And chances are a good chunk of the players would have stayed regardless of who we hired. But even if not - we get another go next year. The Head Coach is around for four to five years minimum. Its a long term commitment.
Anyway - this is all stupid. Herman isnt going anywhere because shes doing the job they hired her to do - clean house in the AD, revamp how things are run, fundraise as much as is possible at RU with its miserable donor base.
Doesnt the fact that it was rolling before he got there kind of diminish the idea that he had any major roll in any of it. Maybe we should find the guy who was there five years ago.
Or you know, just stick with the AD We have.
Just a lot of insinuation right now and what could possibly happen in the future. Either way if anything happens this isn't the guy I'm choosing.
Not true Knight Shift. I'm for letting KF go. I'm also for having contingency plans all set up and ready to implement (list of candidates, back room negotiations, vetting, raising the funds). Hiring a new coach is not an overnight process and hiring a new AD can even take longer. I am willing to forfeit recruiting classes for a competent coach (learned my lesson when KF was hired and was supportive). It's never good for a school to have to make both those hires in the same off season. Maybe some perennial powerhouses can overcome that obstacle but not for a school like Rutgers.
Unless the Next Head Coach is also hired as the AD. Anybody come to mind that could micro manage both jobs?
Maybe some coaches will not want to come here because of the current AD. She has not exactly distinguished herself with the public statements she made, which is why she probably does not make public statements. Look, I am not anti-Hermann, but I am not pro-Hermann either. But if the impending report finds that the AD's office did not do their job, either the AD or someone in the AD's office should be let go too. Don't care how it effects other things. If you are going to clean house, clean the whole house, and don't leave skeletons in the closet.
I won't got that far. I have no idea why he wasn't hired at BC or the other place which I can't remember right now but he was passed over then, so it's not like we were the only ones. That's all I'm saying. He may get a P5 job in the future although there have been openings like Mizzou that hired Mack Rhoades. Illinois is open now so we'll see.
Thing is we don't know what he's actually done at NIU. We know he didn't hire the coaches there that got everything rolling, including the current one. As far as funding and facilities, we don't know that either even if some mention it. The same way everything was rolling in terms of the football coaches, we don't know how much was already done in terms of facilities and fundraising before he got there and how much the football program being already successful helped.
Look at us for example. Our last 3 ADs, Mulcahy/TP/JH. Out of those 3 who am I giving the credit to for our B10 invite? It's not JH and it's not TP, it's Mulcahy because he figured out a way to get the stadium expansion done. See my point but I and others here know that because we follow RU closely. We don't follow NIU closely so who's to know how much was done before Frazier got there and how much wasn't.
Said it before and I will say it again. Julie is very fortunate to be in the position she is in. If not for other circumstances with a focus on things outside of job duties, she would never have been hired. She may turn out to be great, but RU took a massive risk, at least as it relates to AD job duties. No other P5 school would have given her this opportunity.
I agree with that one thousand percent. Hats off to Mulcahy.
Your point is valid. And I think I agree. He has literally no track record at NIU. Good or bad.
people better hope that Julie isn't implicated in the second investigation along with Flood as it will not only impact our football search but hurt every other program and fundraising as we conduct an AD search as well. Not good for an athletic department struggling to nibble at incredibly wide gap between themselves and the rest of the Big 10 in infrastructure. Not to mention the long and protracted AD search that will be dissected. Just food for thought for those who want to blow the whole thing up. Careful what you wish for.
I have no desire to go through another AD search. I was fine with JH from the start and am fine with her now assuming she hasn't done anything egregious. I think she walked into an absolute mess of an athletic and had to clean up things on so many fronts that who knows maybe something did get looked over but again unless it's something really bad I have no desire for change.
That being said I'm not in control of that obviously, so this is talking about a scenario where that might happen and a possible candidate. I personally wouldn't choose this candidate for all the reasons I've given above.
Just to make sure I get your point. You would be ok sticking with an AD that screwed up but the coach she oversees has to go for screwing up? Again, not saying she did anything wrong just asking?
I am not hoping for anything, but just saying that if they are cleaning house and checking closets for skeletons, everyone should get equal treatment regardless of their title, their length of tenure or the consequences on the athletic department or Rutgers. Thinking like that netted us our current head football coach. If someone was hired to clean things up and they did not do their job, they should be shown the door.
if she did something very wrong here, that's fireable then yes she deserves to be fired. I am on record as saying that. I have said before that the compliance issue is something that people can legitimately criticize her for not comments like the star ledger dying
and that to me includes the entire athletic department not just Julie, the whole lot then
The rumblings I hear about the second investigation are not good. Won't be a good look for us. I expect our local media to once again drag us through the mud. I am holding hope it is a bad rumor similar to what we heard about Carroo right after his incident. If rumors I hear are true, I may take a break for awhile.