SEC overrated!!!!

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Regarding the SEC and B12, the B12 only has 10 members. The 10 best teams from the SEC matched up favorably with the B12. The dregs of the SEC including Georgia, Missouri, South Carolina, and Mississippi were all far worse than any team in the B12. Georgia and Missouri were especially bad.

Yep whenever there's a comparison of leagues in the metrics the B12 always comes out on top but it's mainly due to the fact they don't have those crappy teams at the bottom. Tho they should get credit for that but yeah pit the top 10 teams from each conference and you have a different story.
 
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I'm of the mind that it doesn't matter.

Every team is playing hard in their conference games. They all play multiple games a week. They all play an opponent that's striving for victory. These are all D1 athletes close or at their physical primes, not shlubs from the local Y.

It probably doesn't. But you keep watching teams from "the best conference" go down before their seed line would suggest and you think to yourself........maybe.
 
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I don't think that the Razorbacks have been "trash". Won by 4 over a top 50 experienced team that Kenpom and the betting line was 4-5. If we lose today to New Mexico State, I would agree.
Yeah. I shouldn’t have thrown y’all in with UK, Bama, and LSU. Y’all beat a pretty decent squad. Good luck against NM St.
 
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I don't think that the Razorbacks have been "trash". Won by 4 over a top 50 experienced team that Kenpom and the betting line was 4-5. If we lose today to New Mexico State, I would agree.
“Yeah, well I hope you die.”

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Yeah. I shouldn’t have thrown y’all in with UK, Bama, and LSU. Y’all beat a pretty decent squad. Good luck against NM St.
No big deal, Vermont was certainly not a powerhouse and I was shocked when I saw the metrics and betting line, but survive and advance. Occasionally, being challenged by what is considered a non power program for the first game can pay rewards.
 

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I don't think that the Razorbacks have been "trash". Won by 4 over a top 50 experienced team that Kenpom and the betting line was 4-5. If we lose today to New Mexico State, I would agree.
Yeah no way does Auburn win it all.
 

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Yeah seems like it was def overrated. I wouldn’t have guessed I thought it was the best conf in the country. Big 10 after a bad showing last year has been pretty good Michigan clearly deserved to be there.
 

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Yes overrated, but it didn't hurt my feeling to see Rick Barnes lose.

He can't coach for crap when it comes to the NCAA Tournament.
 

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The experts loved UT and UK and have soured on Auburn. So as usual the experts were wrong on the first two. So I wouldn't be shocked to see Auburn make a deep run now. The experts have pretty much given them up for dead.
If this happens I hope the Mods ban all the Auburn trolls.
Arkansas still alive don't count them our. This is all setting up for the media darlings. UNC, PUKE, GONZAGA,Kansas to be four of the last 8 standing.
 

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I really wish people wouldn't put all the stock in these one game scenarios to determine how "good" a conference was/is.

You are literally talking about a few games by a few teams in specific conferences.
How else are you going to judge a conference? We have played 7 games in this tournament and lost 4 of them to double digit seeds. If that doesn’t prove something then how else do you evaluate the conference’s strength?
 

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Perhaps if Barnes and UT had gotten Duke’s 2 seed they could have avoided that Goliath squad that many felt didn’t even deserve to get in…
 
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How else are you going to judge a conference? We have played 7 games in this tournament and lost 4 of them to double digit seeds. If that doesn’t prove something then how else do you evaluate the conference’s strength?
Well sure but all of the teams have played a larger out of conference schedule against other conference teams.

When you are just focusing on the tournament it's a specific number of teams from each conference and basically a handful of games.

It doesn't invalidate what all teams in a conference did to other conferences in the non conference.
 
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It's the same thing as winning the Big 12 SEC tournament 6-4 and concluding that the SEC is better than the Big 12.

Or the same thing as a baseball player going 2 for 4 and concluding they are a true .500 hitter.

It's just an extremely short sample when you have a much large one to choose from.
 

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I wonder if what we are seeing is that the SEC has, arguably, the best atheletes in the country, but we don't have the best teams. Our league is brutal during the season because everyone is so big and fast; but in the tournament scenario, where you don't know everything about your opponent, the teams that work together as a unit are better. Maybe.
 
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It's the same thing as winning the Big 12 SEC tournament 6-4 and concluding that the SEC is better than the Big 12.

Or the same thing as a baseball player going 2 for 4 and concluding they are a true .500 hitter.

It's just an extremely short sample when you have a much large one to choose from.
Why do we even play games? You evaluate the outcomes to draw conclusions. With 7 games played it’s easy to conclude the SEC was not as strong as advertised. We have 2 teams left…2!
 

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It’s hard to judge a conference based on the results of a single elimination tournament. If Michigan played in the SEC they wouldn’t have finished ahead of Tennessee, but tonight they outplayed them. That’s how the tournament goes.
 
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Why do we even play games? You evaluate the outcomes to draw conclusions. With 7 games played it’s easy to conclude the SEC was not as strong as advertised. We have 2 teams left…2!

Right but we base them on ALL of the games, not just the tournament games. Why would we watch this and conclude the SEC is overrated when we've played other conference teams in the non conference and showed otherwise.

You evaluate all of the others, not just a subset of the games.

The Big 10 last season was considered the best league. They didn't do well in the tournament that year. It didn't really change the fact it was still the best league.

Part of the problem with looking at the tournament only is you're talking a few games. You are also talking about a small subset of the teams in a conference.

Currently Texas AM has won two games in the NIT, Florida has won one, and Vandy has won one. We should consider those as well.
 

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When you think about it it's pretty much the same every year. Experts said big 10 was the best last year they bombed. This year didn't hear anyone say they were the best. They are playing well.
Heard how great the SEC was this year they have bombed.
Every year we say this team or that team shouldn't have made the tournament. Every year that team seems to make the sweet 16 or better. We all said TAM should have made it in
Myself as well. TAM would have probably lost first game.
So next season and going forward. Whatever conference the experts ram down our throats as the best. Expect those teams to flame out.
The conference they say is down. Expect those teams to advance far. Never fails happens every year.
 
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When you think about it it's pretty much the same every year. Experts said big 10 was the best last year they bombed. This year didn't hear anyone say they were the best. They are playing well.
Heard how great the SEC was this year they have bombed.
Every year we say this team or that team shouldn't have made the tournament. Every year that team seems to make the sweet 16 or better. We all said TAM should have made it in
Myself as well. TAM would have probably lost first game.
So next season and going forward. Whatever conference the experts ram down our throats as the best. Expect those teams to flame out.
The conference they say is down. Expect those teams to advance far. Never fails happens every year.

This is why I begin to wonder if playing in a tough conference actually hurts teams. Looking at all the numbers probably not but it just feels that way.
 
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This is why I begin to wonder if playing in a tough conference actually hurts teams. Looking at all the numbers probably not but it just feels that way.
I doubt it does. Conference affiliation doesn't imbue members with special powers.
 
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I doubt it does. Conference affiliation doesn't imbue members with special powers.

Probably.

Tho it's obvious that different conferences the refs call the games differently. The SEC has been a league that's called so many fouls and it's been consistently that way for years. Maybe when specific conferences turn to playing in the tournament, they have to adjust more than other conferences.

Again merely speculation, but just something I've thought about.