Other programs give them a better chance of winning, more established coaches, like the schemes better, like the location better, like the school better, more program tradition, better culture, etc. Not sure what else it could be. Or other programs are overpaying. I'm not sure of the angle here.
Off the top of my head, here are 3 challenges...
I dont see how I was making any excuses for Cohen. He wanted to hire JOE JUDGE.
The point I'm making is that all this stupid commentary about us being able to turn over the roster so fast that we shouldn't be blaming the Leach stuff for our talent is stupid. Our program was a dumpster fire and players don't want to come play for a dumpster fire, no matter how much you are paying. You have to climb out of it. How the Leach era ended and what we did in the aftermath is why we're where we are.
Regarding this, I think it speaks to a bigger thing. Cohen was not responsible for Mullen being unhappy at MSU, hell he helped get him here. So we can't pin that on him.
I am not overlooking that, but you sure are repeating it.
That trend was there, I admit. But he did modify the offense and defense here to play more 'SEC' level ball. He slowed the offense way down to where it was operating like a run-based offense, and led with defense, which is what works at MSU.
We turned on Jackie quickly because it went to shlt quickly. Like...overnight. And we let him stick around too long.
Placating MS high school circles, or at least not pissing them off, is the ONLY way for MSU. JWS knew that, Mullen knew that. If you think Mullen didn't do that then you are dumber than I thought, and that's saying something. Mullen recruited well in Mississippi. Now Leach....he burned a lot of bridges. He wasn't much interested in Mississippi kids. They didn't really fit his system.
I was too lazy in a meeting to go find the arrested development pic earlier. Here you go to emphasize the sarcasm.
We hired a coordinator with no HC experience at the height of our program’s attractiveness. Cohen’s mind is just too small to be a SEC AD. He’s in way over his head. We can play “ what if” or “who would you have hired?” But ultimately a wise AD wouldn’t have Moorhead as a top 2 or 3 candidate. As I recall, Cohen’s top 3 choices were Judge, Moorhead and Jeremy Pruitt. Pretty awful list
Big segment wanted him gone in 1995. 1996 Alabama saved his job much like the 2 wins at the end of 2013 saved Mullen's.
Heck a certain bunch never accepted him to begin with.
Probably starting to hit on the biggest problem right here. I've long wished we could shed ourselves of this inferiority complex.
More nonsense. Jackie, Mullen and Leach all told those coaches where they could go, because they were the boss. And they all recruited MS well.
And you turned on Lebby before he ever coached a game.
He still didn't put any emphasis on recruiting defensive players. He didn't care about that side of the ball.
Moorhead was one of the hottest coaching properties out there at the time. It was considered a homerun hire by all the experts. His problems were that deluded MSU fans thought we going to compete for the SEC his first year AND.....he turned out not to be a good fit or a good coach. I thought Cohen was terrible, but the Moorhead hire on paper AT THE TIME was considered a very good one. In retrospect it wasn't.
It wasnt Judge, but Im struggling to remember who the third finalist for the position was. Venables? Diaz? Chad Morris? Someone help me out.
I've turned on the program. Or, woke up from and it and disengaged. Every football decision that has been made since 2022 has been a bad one. From the logo to how to approach NIL.
Fart.
I don't think it's an inferiority complex than it is just jealousy. They do the same thing when they suck while we're good.
You are correct. Me personally, I'd have rather seen us go with a defensive hire, and leave the offense alone. But that could have been bad too, I mean we see what Arnett did in 2023 and he had an offense/QB/OC set on a silver platter for him.
1: correct
If I recall correctly, the Dec 17 hire was down to Jeremy Asparagus and Moorhead.
You are flat out wrong on all of that except Leach recruiting Mississippi well. He burned a LOT of bridges for us.
Keep doing what we've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always gotten. Which is a losing football program.
Yes but the statement went from Dak to present. We spent $5,000,000 on Leach per year.
The fact remains they are the main competition for Mississippi players, and we HAVE to get the better of them there or we will always suck. Trying to say they don't matter is pure wishful fantasy.
Math isn't your strong suit is it.
Did Leach recruit Mississippi Well?
This is the part he's too stupid to see.
All you need to know. I don’t blame Dan for leaving after reading that. Probably felt hamstrung.
How do you "leave the offense alone" when you're entire offensive staff is leaving? Hire Zach Smith? That would have ended well...
Call it what you like. Selmon said we didn't invest but $5,000,000/year for a coach at the time was an investment when we hired him. Whether you agreed with the hire or not Cohen made the decision to pay a Division 1A coach to come to State.
It was about what we were paying Mullen before. So it's not like we made some big investment. We had a history of paying coaches. We saved a couple of bucks on Jomo but in reality that much for a coach is not an investment...but the cost of business in this conference. Jeff Lebby is at 4.5M now and hasn't done jack shlt.
I would hope our talent is better this year vs last year...thats one of the expectations of a coach- to continually improve the overall level of talent in the program.
