Don't most people keep their same number when they move? Area codes have become almost meaningless nowadays.
Selmon said the quiet part out loud ….
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Reading all these post. Your can definitely tell who read the article and can have a clear understanding of the situation and those who didn’t read the article but regurgitate talking points based on others who post. This wasn’t some fluff piece it was a national writer who was with espn for 20 years and now is with ON3.
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This I agree with but Mullen deserved to be paid because he was delivering. Moorhead and Arnett were mistakes obviously. Lebby is still up for debate.
Wow. After reading through all that I am not sure what to think. I'm glad Selmon has been forthcoming. I just don't think anyone understands how hard it is to be the AD at MSU. One thing is certain our coach selection availability is on the low side and ANY hire is a crap shoot. We can't hire a sure thing in Football. The situation is very tough to turn around, but it is easier now than it ever was. Talent is definitely more spread out in today's college football. I don't know if anyone can BUILD a program going forward because you can't retain talent like you once did because of the rules.
So blaming history is mostly moot at this point. Many people on the board are ready to get rid of Lebby from earlier discussions we have had. I sure don't know an answer and will watch and hope things are getting better.
So blaming history is mostly moot at this point. Many people on the board are ready to get rid of Lebby from earlier discussions we have had. I sure don't know an answer and will watch and hope things are getting better.
Lebby is failing because of Leachs recruiting three years ago. coach34 sweas
Leach pushed out Sawyer ?
can we just make up things now ? Leach passed away and Sawyer took one look at Brad Peterson, Barbay and Naked drive through man and got the first plane ticket out of dodge. LMAO
Leach choosing to play Noodle Arm over Sawyer led to Sawyer leaving. That's common sense.
For how long? With how much turnover there is on rosters right now, and how much quality talent exists in the Portal that subsequent coaches could have landed, how long is Leach to blame?
Leach had him running third string and behind Will 17n Rogers.
Robertson had already made his intention to transfer known before Leach passed.
You're not having a good day.
Not sure why you guys keep entertaining Goat, he’s been wrong on just about every topic. He was defending Cohen until very recently (may still be).
BS, both Locke and Sawyer transferred after Arnett was hired. sawyer has videos up on twitter praising and thanking Leach. you’re getting desperate with the spin. Doesn’t matter results on the field will determine things, not smearing a guy who died three years ago.
Leach died December 12th, Arnett was named permanent December 15th, Sawyer transferred January 4th. smart move on his part.
Does sucking in 2024 affect 2025 transfer portal yes or no?
If yes, continue on below. If no, just respond “I’m stupid”.
glad you are still reading
we sucked bc had no talent. 1 year removed from leach, is he partially to blame for having no talent in 2024? Yes or no?
if yes, say it. Leach deserves some blame for where we are right now. TODAY!
if no, just respond “I’m stupid”.
At no point do you answer my question. You replied to my post, but none of these words answers the question in that post.
I will ask it again, but rephrase it, in case you somehow didn't realize it was a question.
Given the high number of available talented portal transfer players each window, how long is Leach to blame?
He will be blamed as long as it’s a useful talking point to take heat off Selmon and Lebby, but the on field results will ultimately determine their fate, and it’s not looking good.
That’s not where we started.
we started with right here today. Today leach deserves some blame. He will always deserve some blame for the situation Lebby took over. ALWAYS.
Next year lebby has had time to make the proper adjustments from the crappy situation he took over.
But the original point which you keep skipping over bc you are wrong is TODAY leach deserves some blame for our current situation.
After reading the article, it’s obvious who in this thread has and has not read it.
Do ya’ll not remember Lebby saying that he had to bring in PRACTICE SQUAD PLAYERS so the starters could get competitive reps in practice? That’s how bad our roster was when he got here.
Yes, the portal is HUGE in flipping the roster (only 20% of this year’s roster have been here more than 2 years); however, if you’re starting in that deep of a hole and coming off the shıtty season Arnett had, it’s still going to take some time.
If you can’t see that this year’s roster is light years ahead of last year’s roster, you’re either blind or an absolute dubmąss…. Sadly, the improvement may not show up as W’s which will only make y’all bıtch louder.
Do ya’ll not remember Lebby saying that he had to bring in PRACTICE SQUAD PLAYERS so the starters could get competitive reps in practice? That’s how bad our roster was when he got here.
Yes, the portal is HUGE in flipping the roster (only 20% of this year’s roster have been here more than 2 years); however, if you’re starting in that deep of a hole and coming off the shıtty season Arnett had, it’s still going to take some time.
If you can’t see that this year’s roster is light years ahead of last year’s roster, you’re either blind or an absolute dubmąss…. Sadly, the improvement may not show up as W’s which will only make y’all bıtch louder.
No No No, didn't you see that goat has said dozens of times that a niche coach and system is exactly what we need here? He has never said which system or coach but he has spoken so its the truth!
How do we know this is fact?
Because they "cigar boys" say it is so? Because Charles Huff said it? We have seen some pledges for money but is it flowing and is it getting in the right hands? We have NO, ZERO way of knowing........
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Well it is only week 2 of his second year but I see a significant improvement on defense
again it’s week 2 so I could be way off
This. I don’t think the air raid boys understand how much the final year of Leach + gap year of Arnett tanked our talent level. It’s not a direct shot at Leach, he was recruiting for his system. But the traditional air raid system isn’t ran anymore because WR’s don’t want to run a thousand meaningless routes a game and it’s tough to find the correct personnel on the O Line that primarily pass block. It was a perfect shitstorm combined with Cohen sitting up in his office trying to find more way to direct money to his precious baseball program while neglecting the lifeblood sport of a SEC school.
"There was mostly investment with the baseball program. Whether that’s right or wrong, it’s probably not the best economic decision for the totality of the department….."
And I’m telling you, its a pipe dream. A an overthought fantasy that has been perpetuated at the highest levels of the sport. The program is set by the current head coach….and its a total and complete reset when that person leaves. Everytime. Period. If Ala-17-ing-bama under Nick Saban for 17 years wasn’t even built for continuity beyond his departure (for a coach with a .900 winning percentage and a national title game appearance with WASHINGTON, no less), then no program ever will be. And if it ever was even slightly a thing, it damn sure isn’t now in this current era of the portal and NIL….with constant roster turnover.
First off, there’s just a ton wrong with this premise if you’re saying a random G5 hire would have been better than Leach. But regardless, we tried it. We were turned down by Napier, remember? And current results thus far indicate that was a good thing. We were also turned down by multiple G5 coaches before turning to Lebby, most notably the Liberty HC.
But, feel free to list out the numerous other G5 head coaches - and others - that have moved into the SEC or B1G and had major success between the time Leach was hired and now. I can only think of one - Curt Cignetti at IU, who was just 3 months younger than Leach, and had just had a single breakthrough season at JMU in 2019 after going 14-9 at Elon. Could we have hired him, over Leach, at that time? Sure. Would there have been a total revolt by the fanbase? Absolutely. Would he have had anywhere near the success in the SEC as he did in Year 1 at IU? Absolutely not. Would he have had any success at all? Who knows. Does he present all of your same “program building / quick fix” concerns as Leach did? Yep, dude is 64 years old.
The rest of the list is filled with your Bryan Harsins and Billy Napiers and Chad Morris’s and what not.
And that problem is always going to exist to a certain extent. It’s not any worse for Leach than anyone else. Washington State had a 4-game season in 2020. 2021-2024, they went 27-23 under 2 different coaches, which is pretty damn good for them. Their 2nd coach who was responsible for the majority of that run was hired away by Wake Forest after 2024. They certainly weren’t left in some barren hellscape by Leach’s departure.
There’s no way of knowing what would have happened if he retired after 5 years. But, we at least wouldn’t have been making a hire after the carousel had already stopped, and we’d have been in a position of strength if he had continued his previous success, just as Washington State was.
Yea if there’s anything Leach struggled with , it was recruiting wide receivers and qbs*
5 page pissing match. Well done, gents.
Can we just all agree that Cohen is a dumb sumbitch that needs to be tarred and feathered?
Can we just all agree that Cohen is a dumb sumbitch that needs to be tarred and feathered?
For everyone with an IQ over 60, yeah, we know what would've happened. Because it happened anyway.
The rest of that post was glfr-level stupid.
LOL. So, if he retired the day after the 2024 Egg Bowl, Selmon would have hired Arnett (who….would still be here?), after basically zero nationwide search even though there would be ample time to have one, still gotten him to agree to a near zero buyout contract, Arnett would still ditch the AR and fumble his way into hiring an unproven G5 OC, we would have sucked last year, and we’d be heading into Year 1 of Lebby ball right now? Amazing. I didn’t know that Selmon would have done everything the exact same way as Mark 17ing Keenum….in spite of the circumstances being drastically different.
I’m sorry you couldn’t keep up with actual critical thinking. Bless your heart.
Yeah he did. Will was awful at UW, Locke benched at Wisconsin, Parson is at Austin Peay, Sawyer dog walked by SEC talent 2 games in a row going back to the Texas Bowl vs LSU
Another low iq post. Sawyer is going to be drafted tin the first three rounds and threw for 400 yards and 3 touchdowns in his first game.
this 2-10 stuff is great