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Coming from you, I will take that as a huge compliment.

So no evidence to support your agenda driven argument yet?
I have given you plenty. You state b/s as fact.

You-Serena couldn’t see her coach yet Serena on the court said her coach only gave a thumbs up.
You- doesn’t go after white men. See Djocovik.

Now let’s address your ignorant hyperbole

You-the ref has seen men be coached and did nothing. Where is you proof?

You are no better than a child in using the argument others did it so it is ok.
My agenda? You are intellectually bankrupt and think the whole world is out to get others. I am through with your ignorant responses.
 
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Ron Mehico

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What are you even arguing? That it was a perfectly fine reaction by Serena and all is good and it was a good match? I can’t spend anymore time on women’s tennis but it’s a perfectly justifiable stance to think she acted immaturely and that it took away from the winner, that’s fine if you don’t agree but some of you are literally lost and consumed in politics, enjoy.
 

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So no on the answers? We will just leave them here incase you want to try later.


Ha were those actual questions? They were so goddam stupid I didn't think they should be addressed.

You are asking me to explain to you why Serena Williams has a coach? I don't know, man. Most professional athletes have coaches. She chooses to have a coach. He said he was coaching her. I'm not going to argue with Serena Williams or her coach about whether or not she needs a coach. Maybe you could revolutionize professional sports and eliminate coaches if you think they aren't needed.

Serena admitted she could see her coach, but claimed it was a thumbs up. The coach admitted to coaching her. How in any way does that support you claim that Serena could not see her coach?
 

mgrody

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The argument that all coaches violate the rules by continuing to coach during Grand Slam matches is a great one IMHO. "Everyone else does it" never worked with my mother, but I'll bet it works wonders the next time I'm stopped for speeding. I'll throw a few choice words about the cop's honesty into the mix and I'll be home free!
 

TheGraffSpotts..

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I have given you plenty. You state b/s as fact.

You-Serena couldn’t see her coach yet Serena on the court said her coach only gave a thumbs up.
You- doesn’t go after white men. See Djocovik.

Now let’s address your ignorant hyperbole

You-the ref has seen men be coached and did nothing. Where is you proof?

You are no better than a child in using the argument others did it so it is ok.
My agenda? You are intellectually bankrupt and think the whole world is out to get others. I am through with you ignorant responses.
She couldn't see his hands, just his thumbs. Which would be evident by the fact he was sitting behind someone and she stated she just saw his thumbs. Why lie? Most all players have admitted they get coaching during matches. The only place its not allowed is majors. She already got the penalty and they don't add another for admitting it. So why lie if she wasn't? Do you have a history of lies you can point to from her that question her honesty and integrity?
Why would possibly the greatest female player in the world need to be told to go to the net? Her previous match she went to the net countless times. You think she forgot that option existed between matches?

Do you watch tennis? It's blatantly obvious. Uncle Tony coaches Nadal almost constantly. Everyone can see and hear it. As do countless other players and coaches.
Serena Williams' heated dispute with the umpire during the US Open final is the latest controversy involving the tennis superstar in recent months.

Japan's Naomi Osaka beat Williams on Saturday in a Grand Slam showdown that ended in tears for both players -- for different reasons. What was supposed to be a fairy-tale matchup for Osaka and the player she idolizes, spun out of control after Williams was handed code violations that she described as unfair.
The 23-time Grand Slam champion has faced racist attacks for most of her career, and after the match Saturday, she said she believes sexism is rampant in the sport.
Here's a look back at some recent times sexism has been called out on the tennis court:


Serena calls the umpire a 'thief'
Williams accused umpire Carlos Ramos of sexism after she was handed a series of code violations during Saturday's match.
Ramos first gave Williams a code violation warning for coaching after he ruled that her coach, Patrick Mouratoglou, gave her hand signals from the stands.
Then she got a point penalty for smashing her racket, followed by a game penalty for verbal abuse after she confronted the umpire.
"You stole a point from me and you are a thief," Williams told Ramos prompting the game penalty ruling.

At a news conference following her loss, Williams said she's seen male players call other umpires "several things."
"I'm here fighting for women's rights and for women's equality and for all kinds of stuff. For me to say 'thief' and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark," she said.
"He's never taken a game from a man because they said 'thief.' For me it blows my mind. But I'm going to continue to fight for women," Williams said.
Billie Jean King, a tennis legend and equal rights advocate, agreed with her.
"When a woman is emotional, she's "hysterical" and she's penalized for it. When a man does the same, he's "outspoken" & and there are no repercussions. Thank you, Serena Williams, for calling out this double standard. More voices are needed to do the same," King tweeted.

For Christine Brennan, a CNN sports analyst, the clashes between Williams and the umpire show that women are not being treated equally in the tennis world.
"We know that there's quite a history to it. Think of John McEnroe, think of Ilie Nastase, Jimmy Connors, Andre Agassi. These men all berated chair umpires, famously so. Commercials have been made. McEnroe has done, 'you can't be serious' and all the other tirades, top of his lungs over the years and none of them received a game penalty," Brennan said.
"Would he (umpire) have done that with a man? History has said, no. He would not have done that with a man."
Retired US tennis star Andy Roddick tweeted, "I've regrettably said worse and I've never gotten a game penalty."
Alize Cornet is penalized for fixing her top
Williams isn't the only tennis player to find herself at the center of a gender-focused controversy.
French tennis player Alize Cornet received a code violation a few weeks ago for briefly taking off her shirt on the court.
During a 10-minute break from the blistering heat at Flushing Meadows, Cornet rushed off-court to change her shirt. When she returned, she realized that she was wearing it the wrong way and fixed her top.
In a statement, the US Open said it regretted the way Cornet was treated. The organization added that all players are allowed to change their shirts while sitting in their chairs while female players have the option to change shirts in "a more private location close to the court, when available."
Related: US Open embroiled in sexism controversy
However, male players have changed shirts many times on court without a problem.
On Tuesday, John Isner changed his shirt 11 times throughout his three-plus hour match against Juan Martin del Potro. A day later, Wimbledon champion Novak Djokovic sat shirtless for several minutes while his opponent, John Millman of Australia, stepped away to change his shirt during a quarterfinals match. Neither of them was penalized.

Officials introduce dress code after Serena's catsuit
In Williams' first major tennis match after giving birth, her outfit stole the show.
In May, Williams wore a black catsuit at the French Open that helped her blood circulation after a difficult childbirth last September. Her Nike outfit, which she said was inspired by the movie "Black Panther," was praised by her fans but had tennis officials shaking their heads.

French Tennis Federation President Bernard Giudicelli announced late last month that he will be introducing a new dress code that would ban players from wearing such form-fitting clothes at the tennis tournament.
"One must respect the game and the place," Giudicelli said.
Unlike Wimbledon, which has an all-white dress code, the French tournament never had a dress code before.

Williams, who has dealt with body shaming and even criticism over her dark features, took the high road and said she was not upset.
"We already talked. We have a great relationship," Williams said of Giudicelli last month, laughing as she added, "Everything is fine, guys."

While Serena took the dress code change in stride, many of her fans -- including some famous ones -- called the move sexist.
Actress Elizabeth Banks wrote on Twitter: "The amount of control men feel the need to exert over women is petty-level with this one. Serena Williams is the GOAT. The game respects HER."
Television show creater Shonda Rhimes wrote: "The game seems quite content to be played no matter what women wear. Perhaps this man should focus on his own fashion choices and respect the GOAT's right to wear whatever the hell she pleases. #getoffhercourt"

Any comment?
Ha were those actual questions? They were so goddam stupid I didn't think they should be addressed.

You are asking me to explain to you why Serena Williams has a coach? I don't know, man. Most professional athletes have coaches. She chooses to have a coach. He said he was coaching her. I'm not going to argue with Serena Williams or her coach about whether or not she needs a coach. Maybe you could revolutionize professional sports and eliminate coaches if you think they aren't needed.

Serena admitted she could see her coach, but claimed it was a thumbs up. The coach admitted to coaching her. How in any way does that support you claim that Serena could not see her coach?
Lot's of top athletes don't have coaches. Especially in tennis. Not really a new thing.

I should have stated clearer. She could not see his hand gesture clearly from where she was. Him doing it doesn't mean she saw it. She said she saw him give a thumbs up. Why do you not believe that as possible. Do you have evidence her lying or being dishonest?
 

TheGraffSpotts..

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The argument that all coaches violate the rules by continuing to coach during Grand Slam matches is a great one IMHO. "Everyone else does it" never worked with my mother, but I'll bet it works wonders the next time I'm stopped for speeding. I'll throw a few choice words about the cop's honesty into the mix and I'll be home free!
But did she actually receive the coaching. She states she saw him give a thumbs up. Do you have evidence to support a history for lies or dishonesty on her part to suggest she is now?
 

mgrody

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But did she actually receive the coaching. She states she saw him give a thumbs up. Do you have evidence to support a history for lies or dishonesty on her part to suggest she is now?
I'm just quoting her coach after he said he was coaching during the match. BTW, I really like the argument that she was so far away she couldn't see his hands, but did manage to get a glimpse of his thumb. Good one!
 

TheGrafSpotted

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I'm just quoting her coach after he said he was coaching during the match. BTW, I really like the argument that she was so far away she couldn't see his hands, but did manage to get a glimpse of his thumb. Good one!
Thumbs aren't hands. They are phalanges. She couldn't see his hand because he was directly behind someone. Why would that stop her from being able to see his fingers or thumbs if they were high enough?

If I give someone bunny ears in a picture, can you see my hands or just my fingers?
 

KendallCat

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But did she actually receive the coaching. She states she saw him give a thumbs up. Do you have evidence to support a history for lies or dishonesty on her part to suggest she is now?

You can’t be this damn stupid to continue this fuzz. Her coach said he gave her coaching, and coaching is illegal. Whether she saw it, whether she utilized it, whether it worked or not they cheated. Case closed. Just like stealing plays in the NFL using video methods by another team. Say they do it but they still lose should they be let off the hook because they cheated but failed. Keep supporting this dumb stuff - she cheated, she got crushed and she got embarrassed on and off the court. You are emulating her in a similar fashion especially the embarrassing yourself part.
 

TheGrafSpotted

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From your article: "Williams is the greatest female tennis player to ever play the game. Her playing record on the court is legendary. I can never truly appreciate the real sexism and racism that Williams will have absolutely faced in her life and career. Her iconic status speaking out on racism and sexism off the court is inspiring. She is a positive role model in every sense."

He even acknowledges it exist, but just did not think this umpire was guilty of it. Again, his opinion, I just disagree. And I think another state from your article highlights this.
"The game penalty, for a string of obscenities directed and me, came at 4-5, costing McEnroe the set and making the match one set all."
Serena never once used profanity or obscenity. She accused him of costing her a point. That's not really derogatory or bad.

"The game penalty was triggered after Williams, in a lengthy tirade, loudly accused the umpire of being a "thief" stealing points from her. Ramos let the tirade slide, showing great composure until Williams accused him of cheating." So he can accuse her of cheating, but if she questions him it's wrong and deserves a penalty. That is the definition of sexist.
 
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From your article: "Williams is the greatest female tennis player to ever play the game. Her playing record on the court is legendary. I can never truly appreciate the real sexism and racism that Williams will have absolutely faced in her life and career. Her iconic status speaking out on racism and sexism off the court is inspiring. She is a positive role model in every sense."

He even acknowledges it exist, but just did not think this umpire was guilty of it. Again, his opinion, I just disagree. And I think another state from your article highlights this.
"The game penalty, for a string of obscenities directed and me, came at 4-5, costing McEnroe the set and making the match one set all."
Serena never once used profanity or obscenity. She accused him of costing her a point. That's not really derogatory or bad.

"The game penalty was triggered after Williams, in a lengthy tirade, loudly accused the umpire of being a "thief" stealing points from her. Ramos let the tirade slide, showing great composure until Williams accused him of cheating." So he can accuse her of cheating, but if she questions him it's wrong and deserves a penalty. That is the definition of sexist.
No moron it is the definition of Serena’s hypocrisy. Her coach cheated, got caught and she accused the official of cheating. That is hypocrisy. Damn you are slow.

Hell at least the coach had the integrity his player didn’t. At least he admitted he broke the rules.
 

Bill Cosby

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A male referee enforcing the rules of a sporting event on a female participant in the sporting event being the definition of sexism, has got to be it, right? Nothing he says from this point forward can be any dumber?
 

TheGrafSpotted

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You can’t be this damn stupid to continue this fuzz. Her coach said he gave her coaching, and coaching is illegal. Whether she saw it, whether she utilized it, whether it worked or not they cheated. Case closed. Just like stealing plays in the NFL using video methods by another team. Say they do it but they still lose should they be let off the hook because they cheated but failed. Keep supporting this dumb stuff - she cheated, she got crushed and she got embarrassed on and off the court. You are emulating her in a similar fashion especially the embarrassing yourself part.
Do you always just resort to name calling when you can't articulate a valid argument? Asking for a friend.

They all deceived to knowingly cheat and were actually getting something of advantage to assist them. Serena was not. How do you not see the difference?

I think she was pretty classy, particularly when she told the crowd it wasn't the time to boo and they needed to respect and praise Naomi and her play. She embraced her after winning , and according to Naomi herself, gave her wonderful words of comfort, encouragement and advice afterwards.

But again, don't let facts interfere.
 

TheGrafSpotted

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No moron it is the definition of Serena’s hypocrisy. Her coach cheated, got caught and she accused the official of cheating. That is hypocrisy. Damn you are slow.

Hell at least the coach had the integrity his player didn’t. At least he admitted he broke the rules.
So just disregarding your own article and it quotes now?

Again, how did Serena break the rules or get caught? Her coach was seen giving a hand gesture. Can you provide some proof she got it or saw it all? She claims she did not. Can you point to a history to deceit and dishonesty on her part to support this assertion? I'll wait...….
 

TheGraffSpotts..

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A male referee enforcing the rules of a sporting event on a female participant in the sporting event being the definition of sexism, has got to be it, right? Nothing he says from this point forward can be any dumber?
Who said enforcing rules was sexist. I think you maybe had a bit of trouble understanding. We'll go slower.

When a male referee accuses a female player of cheating, and then penalizes her point when she says the same to him, that shows sign of potential sexism. Why does a man feel his can question the integrity of a female athlete, but she can't question his without repercussion?
 

Kaizer Sosay

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A male referee enforcing the rules of a sporting event on a female participant in the sporting event being the definition of sexism, has got to be it, right? Nothing he says from this point forward can be any dumber?
I don't know, man. "She could see his thumbs but not his hands" line is right up there.
 
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Bill Cosby

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Who said enforcing rules was sexist. I think you maybe had a bit of trouble understanding. We'll go slower.

When a male referee accuses a female player of cheating, and then penalizes her point when she says the same to him, that shows sign of potential sexism. Why does a man feel his can question the integrity of a female athlete, but she can't question his without repercussion?


[laughing]

How far does this extend? Can a WNBA player call a technical foul on a male ref, or is the WNBA sexist too since female players have to abide by a set of rules that apply to players and not berate the refs over those calls?
 
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So just disregarding your own article and it quotes now?

Again, how did Serena break the rules or get caught? Her coach was seen giving a hand gesture. Can you provide some proof she got it or saw it all? She claims she did not. Can you point to a history to deceit and dishonesty on her part to support this assertion? I'll wait...….
Read the damn rules. The violation is coaching from the stands. Not if she saw it, acted on it or thought her coach was an idiot. She had to sign a form stating he was her coach. The rules and penalties are clear for HER DESIGNATED COACH breaking the rules. They got caught. HER SELF DESIGINATED COACH BY HER OWN FORM admitted he cheated and the official gave the penalty as laid out in the rules. The history I will point to occurred last night by the coaches admission. Her coach ADMITS he broke the rule yet in your mind it is the official who had it out for Serena because she is a woman or not white. If she doesn’t like it, her beef is with her coach for violating the rule.
 

TheGraffSpotts..

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I don't know, man. "She could see his thumbs but not his hands" line is right up there.

where's the hands?
 

TheGraffSpotts..

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[laughing]

How far does this extend? Can a WNBA player call a technical foul on a male ref, or is the WNBA sexist too since female players have to abide by a set of rules that apply to players and not berate the refs over those calls?
You've never seen WNBA players berate the refs and still be allowed to play or not penalized over it. I have? Does the other player automatically get a game point because of it?
 

Bill Cosby

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You've never seen WNBA players berate the refs and still be allowed to play or not penalized over it. I have? Does the other player automatically get a game point because of it?


I've never watched a second of the WNBA, so no.

You do realize technical fouls come with free throws, correct?

The fact that you didn't realize technical fouls can result in points, and you apparently watch the WNBA likely ends any discussion anyone was going to have with you regarding sports.
 

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I've never watched a second of the WNBA, so no.

You do realize technical fouls come with free throws, correct?

The fact that you didn't realize technical fouls can result in points, and you apparently watch the WNBA likely ends any discussion anyone was going to have with you regarding sports.
How come? Let me guess, sexist reason?

Technical free throws don't guarantee free points. You actually have to earn them still. See sweet 16 game this past year. I'm sure Serena would have preferred that method.
 

TheGreatGrafSpot

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Read the damn rules. The violation is coaching from the stands. Not if she saw it, acted on it or thought her coach was an idiot. She had to sign a form stating he was her coach. The rules and penalties are clear for HER DESIGNATED COACH breaking the rules. They got caught. HER SELF DESIGINATED COACH BY HER OWN FORM admitted he cheated and the official gave the penalty as laid out in the rules. The history I will point to occurred last night by the coaches admission. Her coach ADMITS he broke the rule yet in your mind it is the official who had it out for Serena because she is a woman or not white. If she doesn’t like it, her beef is with her coach for violating the rule.
They did not get caught. Her coach got caught giving a hand gesture. I don't have an issue with the chair warning her, but there is a patter on him and other officials not doing the same in male matches. I also, don't think the 3rd penalty was warranted at all and was a somewhat sexist reaction. He accused her of cheating and she did the same. They are called worse, and spoken to much worse by male players. Yet, they do nothing. Especially not penalizing a game.
 

Bill Cosby

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If not being entertained by women playing basketball is sexist, then yeah, I guess it's a sexist reason.


The fact that you keep creating new usernames to continue proving to everyone how stupid you are makes me think you probably have a screw loose.
 
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BlueVelvetFog

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This is called acting like a child, she’s 36 years old and should be embarrassed to act like this, she also was losing and was going to lose and the penalty didn’t even matter. I do t give a **** about McEnroe and have no clue what he has to do with anything but he’s a childish loser as well and an embarrassment if he did this ****.

It won’t let me embed the damn video, here’s the link





Here’s the award ceremony pic, congrats to the winner [eyeroll]

Man what an ugly broad
 

Bill Cosby

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You should read the rules, Graf. Pretty clear to everyone you have no idea what you're talking about.
 

Ineverplayedthegame

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She got busted.
If you watch the replay, she is receiving in the deuce court. She clearly looks to her right. Osaka is preparing to serve in front of her and to the left.
If you want to argue the stupidity of a penalty for coaching, how widespread it is, or how useful it would be, that is a different thing.
But she did it, got caught, then tried to roll out all of her victim cards.
 

KendallCat

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You've never seen WNBA players berate the refs and still be allowed to play or not penalized over it. I have? Does the other player automatically get a game point because of it?

You just lost your man card and all credibility with this post stating you watch the WNBA [roll]nobody has seen a player berate the refs because nobody watches their games, and if they tossed out a player their family members would leave costing them about 5% of their attendance!
 

TheGrafSpotter

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You should read the rules, Graf. Pretty clear to everyone you have no idea what you're talking about.
If you say so.
She got busted.
If you watch the replay, she is receiving in the deuce court. She clearly looks to her right. Osaka is preparing to serve in front of her and to the left.
If you want to argue the stupidity of a penalty for coaching, how widespread it is, or how useful it would be, that is a different thing.
But she did it, got caught, then tried to roll out all of her victim cards.
So you are saying you know what she saw and she was lying. Can you provide proof of this? Can you provide some history of her lying, cheating or being dishonest? Still waiting.....
 

TheGrafSpotter

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You just lost your man card and all credibility with this post stating you watch the WNBA [roll]nobody has seen a player berate the refs because nobody watches their games, and if they tossed out a player their family members would leave costing them about 5% of their attendance!
So we can see you agree with sexism. At least you'll admit it.