No. I enjoy women’s sports if they are talented, but WNBA attendance figures and TV ratings agree with me that people don’t like the product because it is inferior. Nice try trying to put words in my mouth, and you are not very good at this internet thing [roll]
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No. I enjoy women’s sports if they are talented, but WNBA attendance figures and TV ratings agree with me that people don’t like the product because it is inferior. Nice try trying to put words in my mouth, and you are not very good at this internet thing [roll]
She admitted she was looking, she admitted she saw his thumbs, but just claimed that they didn’t have a secret code. PM said he WAS coaching.
Besides, why else would she be looking in the stands right before her opponent serves?
His thumbs didn't have a secret code. You get his palms were facing his chest and his fingers were pointing towards each other with his thumbs pointed up. He was extending his arms forward and back to insinuate she should move towards the net. He was directly behind someone, and she was down on the court. From her angle, it is highly probable she did, in fact, just see his thumbs.
"You just lost your man card and all credibility with this post stating you watch the WNBA [roll]nobody has seen a player berate the refs because nobody watches their games, and if they tossed out a player their family members would leave costing them about 5% of their attendance!"
You insinuated someone is less of a man for watching the WNBA and that it is not credible. You stated no one watched their games and mocked their attendance, insinuating it's made of mostly family members. This is sexist. I'm sorry you don't understand what sexism is and looks like. Someone should have taught and raised you better. Shame on them.
Man you are a glutton for punishment. With all the time you have in the day and you are going to spend it erroneously calling people sexist because they choose not to watch a sporting event, that based on coverage, attendance, skill level is not good at all. Where am I wrong that their attendance is poor in the WNBA? People don’t watch their games and their attendance is very poor. Where am I wrong except it does not fit your narrative.
Why during the Olympics do they show women’s gymnastics and women’s figure skating so much? Because they are very good and people want to see them due to their grace and artistic beauty. They get more exposure and coverage than the men due to the demand and popularity which is how it should be - supply and demand. I agree 100% with that and enjoy watching it. Almost as much as laughing at your watching the WNBA and trying to defend that cheater Serena. Her coach said he was coaching her and always does, so I guess he is being sexist and a liar because he is not supporting a female
You belittled women's basketball and the WNBA with what you said. And what you said had sexist meaning and intent! If you don't understand that, you simply don't understand sexism.Man you are a glutton for punishment. With all the time you have in the day and you are going to spend it erroneously calling people sexist because they choose not to watch a sporting event, that based on coverage, attendance, skill level is not good at all. Where am I wrong that their attendance is poor in the WNBA? People don’t watch their games and their attendance is very poor. Where am I wrong except it does not fit your narrative.
Why during the Olympics do they show women’s gymnastics and women’s figure skating so much? Because they are very good and people want to see them due to their grace and artistic beauty. They get more exposure and coverage than the men due to the demand and popularity which is how it should be - supply and demand. I agree 100% with that and enjoy watching it. Almost as much as laughing at your watching the WNBA and trying to defend that cheater Serena. Her coach said he was coaching her and always does, so I guess he is being sexist and a liar because he is not supporting a female
Why would someone lose credibility by watching the NBA? I see you conveniently left that part out? Why is that? Perhaps because it points to sexism!?!
If you have a daughter, would you scoff at her and say she loses credibility because she want's to play or watch basketball?
Choosing not to watch is fine if you don't enjoy. Telling someone else they lose credibility and mocking it are sexist. Again, sorry you weren't raised with proper morals and understanding of basic concepts. Sounds like your parents and teachers failed you. I'll pray for you.
When did coaching become non-supportive? Do you think coach cal and stoops are non-supportive when they coach?
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Was he in attendance? Was he mocking pr belittling her? Please explain how he was sexist?
She should have serious repercussions for bullying the little brown man.
No, all we have are the words of Serena and her coach. The coach said he was coaching during the match and went on to say that he does so every match, whether it is permitted or not. Serena confirmed that she looked directly at him and saw him give a thumbs up. Somehow, you believe that the ref should have been able to read Serena's mind and determined that whatever she had seen was not coaching, or at least was not acted upon. It was reported immediately after the match that she said the coach was too far away for her to see any signals from him. Is that statement still still a talking point for supporters like you?
Where did I say the ref needed to read her mind or it was wrong to penalize her for this. I am just arguing they you cannot prove she was actually cheating as many here want to claim. There is no proof she actually cheated. Just her coach.
I do strongly disagree with the last penalty. He never should have given her one for saying he stole a point and likely a game from her, which was true. Especially not after he had already insinuated she had cheated. Just a bad look and ruined any chance she had left. I doubt she would have won, but it was currently a tied set and she had broken Naomi once in the set already. So she had a legit shot, which he basically took from her over something really dumb and much less than males do on a consistent basis. Which is why it looks sexist.
I don't think she saw the hand signal he was doing. I honestly believe her account. She has no history of lying, cheating or being dishonest in the past. Why would that change now?
If I ever commit a crime, confess to it and get videoed, I know who I want on my jury when I plead not guilty. Only takes 1.
I believe 90% of your replies are just you trolling but I’m bored with all the rain so I’m playing along.
Serious question. What would constitute proof in your mind? Also why would the coach say he always coaches from the stands if Serena never gets coached? Seems a little illogical doesn’t it?
Did you forget the part about her saying "you will never again be on a court of mine as long as you live, you're the liar". Don't reckon he realized that he was on her court until she set him straight. This whole event is a repeat of the chosen one, HRC losing to DJT who also didn't realize that he was on her court. HRC blamed everyone but herself just as Serena is doing.
I can solve this! 1) .No one watches the WNBA except lesbians, and some players family members. 2) If Serena doesn't feel like she's being treated fairly because racist, she should try being a half black/half japanese girl in Japan. 3) .Only soibois care about tennis. Have I insulted enough people yet? Good! As Saint Augustine said, "We are born between piss and ****" Life ain't fair, get over yourself.
I’m glad she lost. The less I have to think about her, the better.
The fact she’s crying sexism is even better.
I hate whiners. Just be better than the other player and if ya can’t be then take your *** whipping and go home.
The victim mentality is a great go-to for attention.
The fact she’s crying sexism is even better.
I hate whiners. Just be better than the other player and if ya can’t be then take your *** whipping and go home.
The victim mentality is a great go-to for attention.
Well for starters they are allowed to get coaching everywhere but majors. Secondly, him moving his hand does not prove she saw him or understood what he was doing.
I would accept previous instances of lies, deceit or untruth from her to support a pattern of cheating. I would support evidence that proves she could clearly saw his hands and what he was doing? Again, why would she lie? She wasn't going to get punished harsher. She could have said okay and moved on if it happened and no one would have mentioned it again. Obviously she was very upset to have her honesty and integrity called into question. And rightfully so with no evidence to support it.
Oh please teach me about sexism and women’s hoops there Brittany Griner. I am sure the board loves hearing you ramble on about stuff over and over, and make sure to post a bunch of long articles supporting your position and all the benefits of the WNBA.
The bad thing about this is you are being mocked and you have zero clue - all you worry about is getting all worked up no matter what the topic - Serena, Kaep.. and people laugh at you. I was raised properly and know morals and values more than you will ever be able to possess.
Yanking someone’s chain who is white knighting for Serena and Kaep non stop and who has zero self awareness is pretty easy as you have demonstrated. Not to mention you are delusional and make ridiculous excuses for everything. Equating Cal supporting his players as coaching, and then condemning the board for not supporting Serena (who had a hissy fit crying and screaming “it’s not fair” like a petulant child) demonstrates you have no clue. Is there a rule in basketball stating you can’t coach - no. Is there a rule in tennis saying you can’t coach - yes. Not to mention the coach admitted to coaching her during the match saying he always does it. She called the referee a thief, a liar, demanded an apology, played the sexism card, I am a mother card. She sounded just like Hillary after she lost - did not accept defeat gracefully, blamed everyone else, lied about the situation, and got crushed - just like Hildabeast.
BTW - Family Guy had an episode where they made fun of the WNBA so should I tell someone that they are being sexist or do you want to cry about it to someone?
You poor thing. If I get you all doll, can you point to where Serena and Kaepernick hurt you?
I am going to pray for you. And pray for God to show mercy to your obviously neglectful parents to
Biology is a thing...it exists. Men have things such as testosterone...they are better at certain sports, basketball being on of them. If they weren't they would play the sport coed.
As far as serena we knew there would be a clickbait fest calling everything racist and sexist bc it's too lazy to acknowledge maybe she indeed does have an anger issue. She can claim well I've seen men get away with more...but some haven't. That's the thing, the judge is an individual...another one may have let her temper go. Has nothing to do with "oh well, shes just a woman" that's lazy.
Ppl that always cry sexism dont want equality they want favors to put them ahead...I dont see them arguing about men being incarcerated at higher rates, being a higher suicide risk, a part of a larger homeless population, being tyr ones conscripted when theres been a draft, etc. No they dont want equality on the things that suck.
It doesn't matter if she saw it or not. The rule is not that coaching is only illegal if the player sees it. The rule is coaching is illegal, period. Whether she saw it or not is irrelevant. I believe she saw it and knew what he was doing, but it really doesn't matter if she did or not.
Men being better has nothing to do with sexism. Degrading them, their fans and their interest is sexist.
There's proof to the contrary of men getting away with far more. Even the articles against her action speak to the racism and sexism she has dealt with over her career and admired her for it. Again, don't let facts interfere
Men have more testosterone as you pointed out. That leads to more aggression and higher likelihood of violent or criminal acts. DO you think women commit more crimes?
Um. I'm not sure how much history you are aware of, but women have never been eligible for a draft in their country. How is that their fault? That's like saying if blacks didn't like slavery they should have voted against it.
I would need to see the stats of them being less homeless. Perhaps they are more prone to suicide because of elderly men taking their lives when spouses die, or they don't want to be a burden when terminally ill. Also, military personal cause this number to be inflated, and women can not serve in combat roles, or just recently were able if so. This would be very indicative of a spike among men.
Of course it matters. She was upset about being called a cheater, not that her coach made the gesture. If she did not see, was she actually cheating?
You are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree and there is no proof to the contrary. We have her word and a clean history of her not lying or being accused of cheating in the past. And it's quite an accomplished past, let me tell you
There is nothing to disagree with. You are arguing that the rule is wrong. That's fine if you believe that. Maybe you can convince them to change it. But there is nothing to disagree with about the rule. She doesn't have to see it, benefit from it, or anything else. If her coach tried to coach her, it's a violation. That is just fact.
I'm not really arguing that it's wrong. I do think it is. I am arguing whether you can prove she cheated or point to historical evidence to suggest she was?
She may not have cheated. I don't know and really don't care. Her coach did, which will penalize her, according to the rule.
It's what everyone has been trying to tell you and you seem to miss the point over and over again. Whether she conspired with her coach is irrelevant. In other words, she wasn't singled out because she is black or a woman.
Amen. Her coach is cheating so she is also complicit since it is her coach. If the manager of the Yankees corks every bat without the players knowing and one gets caught they are cheating by association. Also, thr ref did not call her a cheater, but she did call him a thief. Just a little 17k pocket change for her that she can use on therapy for anger management.
So you would call them all cheaters? Even though they had no clue of the that? Interesting. John Calipari has been labeled a cheater. Does that mean all of his teams and players are cheaters as well? Pitino is a known cheater now. Are all of his teams and players here cheaters as well? When Eddie Sutton was paying players, were they all cheating then? How about Hal Mumme?
Who paid the price for the violations in each of your scenarios where rules were broken by the coach and or player? Just the coach or the coach, team and university? BTW Cal has never been found to have cheated. Also I don’t think Serena is being stripped of anything accomplished previous to yesterday.
Nice strawman but this is not about Pitino, Cal, Mumme, Belechik... This is about her coach cheating to help her out. He admitted it yesterday which is hard for you to understand for some reason. Does not matter if she saw it or not (there was intent to gain by doing something against the rules) by her coach who by association implicates her. Osaka was serving from her left and she was looking righ - why was that?
She can say she did not cheat, and really her actions speak for themselves. Smashing a racket like a spoiled brat - penalty. Calling an official a thief - penalty. These were her actions and under her control and she is 100% at fault, and she got hit with a 17k fine for it today. Lost the match, lost her cool, lost respect from some people, and lost $$. Defend her all you want - surprised she has not read this thread and sent a tweet out to you as her hero already.
"Amen. Her coach is cheating so she is also complicit since it is her coach. If the manager of the Yankees corks every bat without the players knowing and one gets caught they are cheating by association."
Cal was associated with the schools and programs. is he not guilty by association? That was your stance earlier. See, I even quoted it here for you in case you forgot.
Exactly. And Serena has? Double Standard much? Is it because he's UK coach and you're fan or that he's male and white?
She's being labeled a cheater and was essentially robbed of a game and chance to make any kind of comeback. Which would have been another major and a lot of money. Not saying she would have. Naomi was crazy good, but she was robbed of the chance and potentially the other stuff.
His players were found guilty, and sequentially the schools. Does it only count if it's the coach now?
He accused her of breaking the rules, which is cheating. Do you really think being called a liar is worse than being an ******* or dick? Can you point to any language she used that would have warranted losing a game?
Well ,it matters because you are saying they are guilty by association. So I need to know if that standard still applies in the situations I mentioned as well, or just this one? Also, I see you left Cal out, but Rose and Camby were his players and Memphis and Umass were his teams. So you are then saying Cal is guilty by association, correct? Just want to clarify your actual stance on the issue and get a point of reference.
She was getting her thumbs up from the coach, remember? [thumb2]
She made a lot more yesterday. She already has 24. Gained some from a lot too! Nah, Nike will probably give her a bigger payday to piss of the conservatives.
I hope she has. She is one of my idols. :raised_hands:
Did he have his FINAL FOURS TAKEN AWAY? Yes. Does he have a letter stating he did no wrong? YES. Therefore did he pay the penalty for Marcus Camby and Derrick Rose? YES. So how is it a double standard? In fact, Cal paying the price (even though 100% cleared by NCAA ) is 100% on point. Keep trying though. You are bad at trolling
Your whining is that Serena should not pay the price and yet you said double standard for Cal? I never wrote Cal didn’t pay a price, I wrote he was cleared of cheating. Yet he paid the price. Life sucks. Serena’s coach violated a rule and Serena spent the rest of the match acting like a lunatic. She paid a small price for her coach and from there on it is 100% on her.
And you posed a question to another poster about which is worse being called a liar vs being called an ******* or dick, I personally think being called a liar is way worse especially to someone who values their word.
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Now why would i leave Cal and Pitino and Brady and Belechik out of this conversation? Maybe it is because they don’t matter in the context of Serena and her coach cheating. Cal can out an ATM machine at the lodge, Brady can stick footballs with needles and make them 1 PSI, Usain Bolt can take enough roids to grow a village and guess what - none of it factors into or matters in this discussion.
You are not very good at this and wanting to implicate every other person in sports and mainly UK folks shows us a few things - you are very bad at trolling and just got flushed out. Just like Serena yesterday - play stupid games and win stupid prizes
So you are saying cal is a known and associated cheater? And UK is a known cheater as well? Just making sure. Remember they are all associated you know. Thank you for clarifying that Cal and UK are in fact cheaters.
No, I stated Serena should not have been given a game penalty. It was excessive. I think she was innocent, as I think Cal is innocent. But I also don't think people are guilty by association. By your standard, all the players at Penn St under Paterno allowed sexual assault to happen and are accomplice. Guilt by association and all.
Are you really just stupid? I clearly wrote Cal was cleared but paid the price for the situation. Keep trying but please work on your comprehension. It is taxing trying to get down to your low IQ level.