Serious OM recruiting question from a young AL Bulldog.

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MetEdDawg

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I'm 24 and have only been an MSU fan since 2006 when I enrolled. I've lived in Alabama my entire life and I understand how recruiting works over here. I have a lot of connections with both Alabama and Auburn and have always been well connected when it came to recruiting info and decisions that will go on.

However, I'm extremely puzzled by how OM is able to do what they do in recruiting in terms of official visits, as well as some of the out of state kids they get on campus or get commits from. I know everyone talks about co eds assigned to recruits and bunch of other stuff. But beyond that, how are they consistently able to get interest from high profile recruits with guys the upper echelon of the SEC are recruiting? Is most of it generated by the MS media? Is there an OM media bias in the state? Is their recruiting machine really that powerful? Are their high profile alumni really active around the country recruiting for them?

This is coming from someone who really doesn't know how the ins and outs of recruiting works in the state of MS, especially for OM. I've always known where certain people were positioned in the state of AL and which schools certain areas tend to lean, but only recently have I really payed attention to how the state of MS is aligned and how OM recruits compared to how differently we recruit. I've figured out our strategy over the years just by observing what we do and where we target, but I really don't have any clue as to how OM goes about their business.

I also have a vested interest because I will be teaching/coaching soon in the public schools somewhere in the southeast. I like knowing what's going on in what states and what to look for and as I've gotten into recruiting more and more I like knowing the background schools have when it comes to recruiting strategies.

I may take heat with this being another OM post on our board, but this is me genuinely trying to gather info on how a school like OM recruits and gets these kids on campus when they've got such a poor track record recently. I know it's a lot of questions and a lot of stuff that most of you have been familiar with since you were kids, so I thank you in advance.
 
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engie

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They are receiving a big, big recruiting bump from having Nkemdiche's brother and thus being the favorites for him. He's a guy that has been the #1 recruit for 4 years and comes with a ton of hype. As such, some other top players in the class want to play with him. They also stack all their OVs for the final weekend -- while ours are more spread out throughout the year. Yes, there is some media bias there in MS toward them -- Just like there is a hs coaching bias in MS that works in our favor. Their writers glorify recruiting and cover it to a creepy level -- ours are more withheld for the most part. Just a different approach between the two schools -- generally reflecting the different cultures of the two schools.

Overall, there isn't a nickel's worth of recruiting difference between them and us over the past decade. I think they are about 6 spots ahead overall in composite rankings from 2002-current, and we're actually slightly ahead of them if you remove the Croom tenure.
 

RockstarFromMars

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I think our current staff are just good recruiters. They bust their asses, I know that. A lot of these guys were here in some regard under O, who while by most accounts an idiot, knew how to get a prospect. Chris Kiffin and Grant Heard both worked in the athletic department while obviously Freeze was the TE/WR coach and recruiting coordinator for a couple of years, and Werner was the OC. Without Nkemdiche committed, we're still hovering around 18-20 on most sites and that's one year removed from a 2 win season. Those who follow recruiting know that you usually don't see the impact of the current season until the next class, so applying that theory we should be awful. And while Nutt was a lazy evaluator, he was a SEC veteran who knew how to turn his initial success into decent classes. Attrition bit him in the *** hard though. Perhaps the greatest feat ever achieved is signing 37 players in a class and 3 years later, only have 59 scholarship players on the team.

tl;dr We pay them.
 

engie

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only have 59 scholarship players on the team.

Why does Freeze keep purporting this number game? It's at best incredibly misleading and at worst a straight up lie...

Numbers prior to the start of fall practice:
(In which time, MSU has seen the greatest amount of attrition we've had under Mullen -- Schuessler and Perkins quit, as did 2 OL buried on depth chart -- Fosselman and Shumpert onto medical scholarship)

1. Alabama and Miss St (87) – must eliminate 2 players by August
3. LSU & South Carolina (85)
5. Kentucky & Missouri (81)
7. Arkansas (80)
8. Florida, Texas A&M, & Vanderbilt (79)
11. Ole Miss & Tennessee (78)
13. Auburn (75)
14. Georgia (73) – does not include 5 non-rated walk-ons currently on
scholarship (last season UGA had 11 walk-ons on scholarship)

Now, are you trying to tell me that you lost 19 scholarship players over the regular season this year?

The answer seems to me to be that Freeze is counting only "active" players -- while pretending that redshirt guys aren't even on the team.

In the same manner, MSU only had 63 "scholarship players on the team" this year.
 

RockstarFromMars

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I'll be honest, I'm not sure what he's counting. Out of curiousity (and boredom) I just pulled up the roster and counted 69 scholarship players. Maybe it was in reference to an away game. Isn't there a travel restriction on redshirts for away games?
 

JungRebel

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Answer:

"The explosive ones - when one considers how much the energy of young men needs to explode, one is not surprised that they decide for this cause or that without being at all subtle or choosy. What attracts them is the sight of zeal that surrounds a cause - as it were, the sight of a burning fuse, and not the cause itself. Subtle seducers therefore know the art of arousing expectations of an explosion while making no effort to furnish reasons for their cause; reasons are not what wins over such powdered kegs."

-Friedrich Nietzsche, 1882, on recruiting teenage athletes.
 

HammerOfTheDogs

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Don't believe the hype....

the university of ole miss ALWAYS has Top 20 recruiting classes. This is for one reason-their fan base buys more recruiting mags and websites per capita than any other school in the country. That's why Tommy Tuberville signed 38 players, or why they'll take a chance on a thug nobody else wants....it's all about the stars.

Now, Victory Red or RockstarfromMars will come on here and tell you where they ranked 30th or 50th in most years, and they're right. The recruiting rankings are usually adjusted in the fall, when people actually see the players who make it to campus. However, by that time it's actual football season and nobody is really looking at how well a skool recruited the previous year.
 

jacksonreb

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i agree we're getting some looks from the fact that we're in on RN. but our staff is working their butts off too. it'll be interesting to see how it works out. i am amused by your comparision of our writers and yours....you do know about rosebowl don't you and gene 'the family advisor"? and you call our guys creepy. man i love the pack.
 

DanielPlainview

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Have you considered that unbiased observers usually rank OM as one of the most beautiful campuses, beautiful student bodies, and best party schools? All things that are attractive to college students. Also, OM has star NFL players such as Eli and Patrick Willis with a very popular movie about Oher.

Also, consider that State is in the middle of nowhere not close to anything, unless you are from Mississippi.

Or you could buy the MSU party line, that OM cheats and pays players, assuming State doesn't even though Melvin Smith is on the staff, you fired a coach days before the season, and are being investigated for Redmond.
 

Railin Jemmye

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I'll break this down for you......

1) What engie said about the media and HS coaches. Alumni generally follow this as well. MSU seems to be the humble quiet silent majority types, Ole Miss folks like to talk about Ole Miss (loudly).

2) MSU tends to stay in MS and close by, and areas with ties to MS. Ole Miss made an effort years ago to go north and sort of feel an elitism towards MS prospects. I don't think Freeze feels this way, but the school as a whole does. That's why they look more out of state, it reflects their general enrollment too.

3) Certain towns do have the slant to them. MSU - West Point; Ole Miss - Batesville/USP. The rest seem pretty wide open to me. Olive Branch puts kids all over the SEC. The Coast puts them everywhere too. LSU got alot of Coast and South MS kids earlier this decade. Mullen has put a premium on this area though.

4) People talk about who pays who, usually that is restricted to the top 1-3 guys in the state. And even then it's just some jakeleg boosters like that Ole Miss banker who just went to jail, trying to be involved and look cool. Denton Herring types. Ole Miss is more organized with this, and you'll see that many years the consensus #1 player signs with Ole Miss. They like the stars after all. Even if MSU completely dominates the rest like last year, they still sign Channing Ward.

5) When Southern is good, they can really eat into the bottom of the recruiting class, by taking low 3 star types that are backups for MSU or OM. Southern shows them 'the love' that the SEC schools didn't so they stay loyal.

6) Egg Bowl usually doesn't mean much unless you win 3 in a row or something.

7) Offering early playing time can help you snag a good class, much more than winning the Egg Bowl or something.
 

engie

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i am amused by your comparision of our writers and yours....you do know about rosebowl don't you and gene 'the family advisor"? and you call our guys creepy. man i love the pack.

I wouldn't know -- Like most here, I don't follow those two buffoons who have made it clear time and time again that they would burn down MSU if it served their personal needs and/or made them money. After all -- this place was founded to SPITE that place. You should remember that.

Yancy goes to The Library to party with recruits on OVs -- and reports what they are doing while there(except -- of course -- the illegal underage drinking, minor heppin, girls, ect...). Are you really trying to tell me that ISN'T creepy? I'm not even trying to deny that the same ACTIONS take place at MSU -- but we damn sure don't have a "writer" there reporting half of it.

Riddle me this...Why would Yancy report in advance the location that recruits are going out at night? Have you seriously thought about it? Very, very different writer styles -- with very different agendas. At MSU we are lucky to even know if recruits showed up -- and we certainly don't get any updates until after the visit is over.
 
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Railin Jemmye

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I've done plenty of time at both places......

Had friends at both colleges. Went to Oxford sometimes basically because it was a different scene. And chicken on the stick at Chevron.

Lots of girls in the Grove for sure, but same in the Junction. But I never really noticed any serious difference in talent on the bar scene or anywhere else. Towns about the same. Party scene was the same. Both campuses are very nice. And what is Ole Miss close to? An hour from Memphis doesn't really count, man. It's not like it's an urban metropolis. MSU has NFL players, and are recruiting to that, especially lately. About to be 3 years in a row of NFL 1st rounders.

There are small differences in the two places I suppose. But nothing that should make Oxford a more desirable place in my opinion.
 

Ishmael

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I'd be interested in recent examples of unbiased observers ranking Ole Miss as "one of the most beautiful campuses, beautiful student bodes, and best party schools." I don't disagree that they have a nice campus, attractive students, and are known as a party school of sorts. I just don't recall seeing unbiased observers think that Ole Miss is some sort of amazing place compared to other SEC schools, most of which have nice campuses and attractive students, and some of which are known as party schools.

Also, Ole Miss is also not really close to anything, unless you're from Mississippi. It's closer to a decent-sized city than Starkville, but still an hour away from anything.
 

engie

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Nice response.

I sure am glad that we are current being "boycotted" by all the Nafoomites**
 

Shmuley

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^^ Clearly the best answer. All the cool kids are flirting with Ole Miss.
 
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