Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

[Goat Holder II]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

for this $!@%%@!*!%% of a year, with the NCAA, Sidney issues, the fight, etc.....for Stans to pull the team together and potentially finish 17-13 and 9-7 is pretty damn good. I think we make big time noise next year. We finally have the talent to do it again. That's been the main problem the last few years.

 

[Goat Holder II]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

for this $!@%%@!*!%% of a year, with the NCAA, Sidney issues, the fight, etc.....for Stans to pull the team together and potentially finish 17-13 and 9-7 is pretty damn good. I think we make big time noise next year. We finally have the talent to do it again. That's been the main problem the last few years.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

Looks like a tough crowd tonight, winning is bad for the board I guess. <div>
</div><div>At least when we lose people come on in droves to gloat and celebrate. </div>

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

I really appreciated the team for that. That meant more to me than any other win this year, and maybe more than any win we've had ever.
</p>Oh, and Jim just said we set a record for number a points an MSU team scoredatthe Bud.

 

[Sutterkane]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

we had the talent to make noise THIS year. We returned 3 starters, one of our other starters is a senior who's had plenty of playing time while here, and our 5th is a McDonald's all american.

The only big time noise we make next year is when we underachieve yet again and have key players transfer to other schools.

 

[fishwater99]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

As much as some of us want him gone, it's not happening this year by our AD. This team has more talent in starting 5 than all of the SEC.

 

[DerHntr]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

boohim for allowing it to "fall apart"

i'll readily admit that the guys have playedbetter the last two games. i'm gladthat we have. but forgetting that only 7 LONG days ago we lost to an 11-19 LSU team doesn't make me think we have turned a corner. our inconsistency is quite amazing.

 

[medearis]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

YES.

No wanted wanted to hear it. The detractors even rooted against it. But this team just won't quit. And Stans just won't quit. And when you have a group like that battling against all odds down the stretch, no way in hell do you fire anybody.

I'm just glad I get to sit back and watch all the detractors explain why we still suck and Stans still sucks and we shouldn't be proud of the way our guys hung in there and blah blah blah.

Nice dam job Bulldogs. It's apparent that the non-conference without our two most talented players was even worse than anyone had anticipated. Add to that the other problems, and even despite LSU and Auburn we come away with some great wins.

Next year it's tourney or bust, Rick. I'm a monster supporter until we don't make it, then I'm off the wagon. Fortunately for me, if history has taught us anything, we WILL make it, and hopefully have a little run of some type, and if so, its gonna be brutal for the detractors cause I'm gonna be all over this board making sure everyone remembers the guys who battled for what was right and those who became "the detractors."

And that means you, Jamont Gordon. You, sir, are a detractor. Enjoy that Russian weather and have a vodka for me.

(P.S. don't screw this up for me Bost)

 

[ArrowDawg]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

Good time for me to start posting here again. To many people, no matter what I say I'm going to be wrong, so I might as well say it anyway.

I'm not one of the people who's been calling for us to fire Rick, but I'm definitely not happy with the direction of the program recently. I've been highly critical of the team this year, and I think they deserve it. The off-the-court mess has been beyond absurd, but what makes it worse is that we've seemingly gone years without never being able to put a consistent starting five on the court for more than one season due to discipline problems and transfers for various reasons. A lot of people have lost their patience because of that, including me. On the court, most of our problems arise from horrible scheduling and not having two key players early in the season. But another thing that bugs the hell out of a lot people is that we always seem to find ways to screw up our at-large NCAA chances every year by losing too many early games against teams that we can't afford to lose to. Why is that? Maybe thisseason we had some legit reasons, but this isn't the only season we've had that problem.

I don't know what the answers are. I just know that it almost pisses me off just as muchthat we beat UT and Arkansas on the road as it doesthat we inexplicably lost to Auburn and LSU prior to those games. The inconsistency in this basketball program is mind-boggling.

 

[DAWG61]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

think we'll be better next year? We lose 3 starters and whoever transfers. We add 3 unproven freshman and a CUSA transfer. I'd say that's a drop off unless the 3 we get are super freshman. Even if they are we will once again have a terrible OOC schedule that will essentially put us behind the 8ball all year long. The SEC isn't strong enough to pull our RPI up. We have to have a top 25 schedule to be in consideration for an at-large bid and Stansburry is way too ***** to do that. Will Sidney be in shape? Who replaces Augustus? Who replaces Ravern? Will Bost stick around? Will Steele be healed? Sorry but there's too many questions for me to be getting "extreme" about next years team.

 

[anon1751035439]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

ku

 

[Todd4State]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

to believe that Rodney Hood is going to be better than Ravern defensively next year?

I wasn't a Stans detractor until the team started to fight each other and act like a bunch of thugs. I will support anyone that's winning- but don't embarass us in the process. Rick has got to do better finding people that have high character- especially if he isn't going to discipline anyone which it's apparant to me that he isn't. We're finally starting to play a little bit better- but I sure as heck would sit him down at the end of the season and have a LONG talk about the direction of the program and his recruiting and losing to crap teams like Rider early in the season.

 

[4suredog]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

In the last 5 years MSU is 44-40 in SEC play. In the last 6 years, we have made the NCAA tourney 1 time based on reg season play. Anybody with RPI numbers? Probably not int top 100 over the last 5 season.... NOT IN THE TOP 100...The conversation needs to shift. Do we want to be one of the top 3-4 programs in the SEC which I agree stans has done OR do we want to be one of the top thirty or so programs nationally. and ANYBODY who thinks were even a blip on the national basketball radar is clearly outside of they're mind. That's the topic, which is more important? The sec is probably the 5th rated conf, the Western division is probably nowhere near that high. I guess its like winning CUSA in football every year. We got the last spot into the tourney (Liberty bowl) or got Oh so close for the however many times (New Orleans Bowl/NIT).....Is that good enough for the cost of season tickets? For those of you who don't have season tickets, please don't respond because I don't care what your opinion is if your not paying for it like I do.....

 

[DawgMedic]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

First off, there are wayyyyyy too many seats available for faculty and staff in the Hump. We all know it... It's not debatable... Other than the few seats we give away to opposing teams schools for every game, where do you see the oppositions' fans? They are always in the faculty sections. This is unacceptable. Second, our students have no clue how to influence a game. From 1994, when I first attended school at MSU, until I left, we had a great student section. Our student sections these days are a joke at best. They sit there quietly through most of the game, and only cheer whenever they are compelled to by the rest of the crowd. I guarantee that it will be at least four more years until we make the Sweet 16. Our fan-base is uneducated, and our students don't care.

 

[4suredog]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

Medic.....How can you ask them to cheer when they are clearly WAY to busy bitching about free tickets? And the faculty has no idea there's a game that day....They're not from here so we shouldn't hold it against them.....

Dear students, your tuition pays for front row seats in every class you take. Free computers in the library, sidewalks, buildings with heat and air, etc....Your tuition does NOT pay for athletics, Alumni money does, so please, in your response keep that in mind, thanks.

 

[00Dawg]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

for Moultrie (warranted or not), it's easy to get pumped with some positive thinking. You saw our starting backcourt last night with Bryant and Bost on the floor at the same time, and over the last two games, that looks like a dang good combination. If Moultrie is really 1st round pick talent, he'll pick up at least where Kodi left off. You get Sidney back with an offseason's worth of conditioning. That leaves Ravern's production to fill, and Jalen showed he could do it against UK. Then you factor in the super freshmen coming off the bench plus a much improved Lewis and a Smith that has at least shown flashes of his reputation as a shooter.
If you want to go negative, Moultrie hasn't faced UK-level competition, Sidney had a year already to get ready, Steele will be coming off an injury, and Bryant couldn't earn PT for well over half the season.
Me, I'm a glass half-full kind of guy.

 

[GloryDawg]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

After all this is the mid season for this team as it is now. I be willing to bet they get to the finals. They may not win the SEC but they could still end up in the NIT. I know it's the ugly step sister but this will give Sidney the playing time he has missed the past year and half.

 

[Thick]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

If we are to be "good" next year, you really need to define good. Is good win the West good, or is it make the big dance good? We are going to be as good as our coaching staff is, and that's not very good in my opinion. Hot damn we finished second in the weakest division in a not so good conference this year when we had much better talent then everyone in our division. We give up the most points in our conference while starting 3 seniors, a junior, and a fat, lazy McD's AA. One of the seniors is a solid inside player, does a decent job..KA, the other is shoot first, rarely pass, and play no defense what so ever, and the other is a solid player that is not aggressive enough offensively. Do we know if Fat Boy or Dee are coming back?

Our coaching staff has no back bone. What I mean, is that they don't demand hard, tough defense, they don't demand hustle, and they allow it this **** to happen instead of benching them to make their point. No respect because there is no discipline, and if any of you accept that, then this program will never be mentioned as a top tier program in the conference, or top 30 program in the country. Stans used to demand defense and rebounding, where has it been the last few years? You can't blame the players. They play the way their coach allows them to play. You can't blame lack of talent. They're Stans boys, and at the end of the day he's accountable for the entire program.

I am not a detractor, I don't complain about winning at all, but I will always criticize lack of effort, poor fundamentals, discipline, and respect in all of the big 3 at MSU. The problem, that we as a fanbase have at MSU, is that we put the coach first and the program second. Several on this board think that Stans can do no wrong, and in fact that they are happy with what he has done this year, but yet the national media still take shots at Sidney and Stans. Why is that? It might be because they have no respect for the way Stans is running the program or has handled Sidney. We came in second in a division we were picked to win, and had to do it in the last week of conference play. I hope you are right about us being better next year, but the odds of that happening are slim at best.

 

[dawgstudent]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

for me, it was tourney or bust this year but I think for the ath dept it's next year.

There's a reason to be excited about next year's team - even with Stansbury coaching - given the talent assuming Bost and Sidney come back. If Bost doesn't come back, stick a fork in next year's team.

 

[OMlawdog]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

I think MSU is playing well and the talent is obvious.

If MSU gets Ravern to play like he did last night, they are going to be a really, really tough out for some team in the SEC tourney.

Id like to add, if they somehow get to the NCAA tourney, they will be the most dangerous 11-14 seed in the tourney by a mile.

 

[dawgstudent]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

he will have a game where he won't stop shooting and he is going to be missing. That's when it becomes tough to overcome.

 

[Thick]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

the weak link by leaps and bounds. Add to that, he plays zero defense. When he's hot, like last night, it's awesome to watch, but if he has to guard someone that can score and especially if that person is a slasher then it's a wash at best. There's no win win with Ravern.

 

[dawgstudent]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

 

[fishwater99]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

That is the question. Only if the other team has a guy he can guard, and I haven't seen many that he can shut down...

 

[bulldognation]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

Call me a homer, but I think it's coming together at the right time. Earning the 1st round bye last night went a long way towards securing that spot in the SECCG.

I'd be thrilled if we won it, got the automatic bid and then went on to the Sweet Sixteen. It would be redemption for all the **** that this team has been through early on.

 

[OMlawdog]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

and not for the obvious reasons.

Benock put forth a ton of effort on defense - Ravern does not want to waste any injury that he could save up for his game on the offensive end
Ravern thinks he is open 24/7 - Benock would pass up a shot while playing HORSE
Ravern has surprising dunking ability - Benock has probably watched White Men Can't Jump about 200 times

 

[Tds &amp; Beer]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

for this $!@%%@!*!%% of a year, with the NCAA, Sidney issues, the fight, etc.....for Stans to pull the team together and potentially finish 17-13 and 9-7 is pretty damn good. I think we make big time noise next year. We finally have the talent to do it again. That's been the main problem the last few years.

next year when we start off slow again and finish strong, underachieve, but show signs of greatness at theend ofthe year. I swear, it's amazing how easily people forget his shortcomings because of a few wins against average teams. Don't you people want to have a good program? I'm sick of this mediocre crap and that's allwe can look forward to as long as he's here. When are you guys gonna realize that? Don't you want a real coach. I would like someone who does more than just enough to keep his supporters content.

 

[Tds &amp; Beer]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

If we are to be "good" next year, you really need to define good. Is good win the West good, or is it make the big dance good? We are going to be as good as our coaching staff is, and that's not very good in my opinion. Hot damn we finished second in the weakest division in a not so good conference this year when we had much better talent then everyone in our division. We give up the most points in our conference while starting 3 seniors, a junior, and a fat, lazy McD's AA. One of the seniors is a solid inside player, does a decent job..KA, the other is shoot first, rarely pass, and play no defense what so ever, and the other is a solid player that is not aggressive enough offensively. Do we know if Fat Boy or Dee are coming back?

Our coaching staff has no back bone. What I mean, is that they don't demand hard, tough defense, they don't demand hustle, and they allow it this **** to happen instead of benching them to make their point. No respect because there is no discipline, and if any of you accept that, then this program will never be mentioned as a top tier program in the conference, or top 30 program in the country. Stans used to demand defense and rebounding, where has it been the last few years? You can't blame the players. They play the way their coach allows them to play. You can't blame lack of talent. They're Stans boys, and at the end of the day he's accountable for the entire program.

I am not a detractor, I don't complain about winning at all, but I will always criticize lack of effort, poor fundamentals, discipline, and respect in all of the big 3 at MSU. The problem, that we as a fanbase have at MSU, is that we put the coach first and the program second. Several on this board think that Stans can do no wrong, and in fact that they are happy with what he has done this year, but yet the national media still take shots at Sidney and Stans. Why is that? It might be because they have no respect for the way Stans is running the program or has handled Sidney. We came in second in a division we were picked to win, and had to do it in the last week of conference play. I hope you are right about us being better next year, but the odds of that happening are slim at best.

Thank you

 

[Frances Drebin]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

Yeah, we've really turned a corner.

 

[Frances Drebin]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

....17-13 against this schedule in this half of the conference is just as bad as a losing record. Quit making excuses.</p>

 

[medearis]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

"Good" is a western division title and an ncaa appearance. If you accomplish those two things, you go from there and try to accomplish the next goal. And who cares whether you are an at-large bid or not? If not, it means you won the SEC tourney championship. Those things are hard to come by. That's a very nice accomplishment to win the season tourney, which occurs at the end of the season when everyone is putting forth their best effort.

I know some of you detractors try to play cool guys and say "We won't stand for anything but national titles at MSU." Well...that's just plain ignorant. If you have a successful coach who time and again is putting you in a position to break on through to the sweet 16, you keep trying. That's not settling, it's enjoying having a good basketball team year in and year out and not wanting to suck like all the other west programs.

Next year if Dan Mullen takes us to a lesser bowl, You won't catch me screaming for his termination, saying he's created greater expectations. As long as he keeps us bowling most years, I'll keep supporting and keep believing that one day we'll put it together and make a nice run, and meanwhile we'll be making bowl games instead of going 4-8 and 3-9.

 

[Coach34]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

what will you hang your hat on then?

 

[dawgstudent]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

As long as he keeps us bowling most years, I'll keep supporting and keep
believing that one day we'll put it together and make a nice run, and
meanwhile we'll be making bowl games instead of going 4-8 and 3-9.

Because out of the last 6 years, we have gone to the tourney two times.

 

[medearis]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

As long as he keeps us bowling most years, I'll keep supporting and keep
believing that one day we'll put it together and make a nice run, and
meanwhile we'll be making bowl games instead of going 4-8 and 3-9.

Because out of the last 6 years, we have gone to the tourney two times.

That stat is completely false. Be honest. No baloney. Last 6 years we have 3 appearances. Going for 4 out of 7 this season. Let's go dawgs. Win the SEC tourney and make Stans look good.

 

[dawgstudent]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

I was assuming we weren't making it this year.

I'm with you - let's win the SEC Tourney.

 

[alabamadog]

Seriously. Let's wait til Stans has a losing record before we talking firing......

fishwater99 wrote:This team has more talent in starting 5 than all of the SEC.