Shane Lyons discusses the reasoning behind no fans at the opener
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Shane did his political dance about refunding your money...for a game he has forbidden you to attend.
Of course, according to him you can let him pocket your dollars, because everyone likes to spend money for nothing?
As a throw away comment, he mumbled..."uh, of course you can ask for a refund".
Umm...yeah, everyone, ask for a REFUND. If not, he is keeping it. Dont expect them to make an auto credit to your account...remember, the money you gave them has already been spent.
Of course, according to him you can let him pocket your dollars, because everyone likes to spend money for nothing?
As a throw away comment, he mumbled..."uh, of course you can ask for a refund".
Umm...yeah, everyone, ask for a REFUND. If not, he is keeping it. Dont expect them to make an auto credit to your account...remember, the money you gave them has already been spent.
If you can afford it wouldn't it be a good idea to let them keep the money? The athletic department is going to take a huge hit this year and if the season were to get canceled at some point it's going to be devastating.
Students need to request that their tuition needs to be adjusted/reduced due to the fees the university charges based on athletic tickets.
Does the athletic department not keep a rainy day fund ? Maybe instead of spending the surplus of money each year on brand new buildings and fancy locker rooms, they should use that surplus of money and put some away in case of emergencies.
They do but this situation could blow through that quickly. I'm not defending them for their spending and only suggesting that if you love your team you may need to dig a little deeper to keep them going over the next year or two.
Well Darth here’s the dirty part of it. The donations that you have to make to buy the tickets ain’t getting refunded or credited unless the AD changes their mind——NOT BLOODY LIKELY! It’s a dirty deal and if there are in fact conference games, you’ll only have 20-25% capacity meaning a lot of people who made donations to buy tickets get ripped off. This won’t be forgotten for the future.
The group I buy tickets with did not buy This year and there were 12 seats together in section 125 amongst 10 others between the 20s on the press box side that were let go The reason was no guarantee from the AD on refund or credit on the donation which is more than half the cost. Then you got parking pass fees.
2 weeks back the guy in our group who buys tickets, and for years has got a tax credit for donation was still getting emails and phone calls from the AD saying his seats were still available if he wanted them. He didn’t bite for obvious reasons and I am 99% sure the seats in sec 125 (10 of the 12 together) have been in our group since the stadium opened in 1980. We got 2 on the end when the 80+ year old couple got ill and gave them up about 4 seasons ago.
The group I buy tickets with did not buy This year and there were 12 seats together in section 125 amongst 10 others between the 20s on the press box side that were let go The reason was no guarantee from the AD on refund or credit on the donation which is more than half the cost. Then you got parking pass fees.
2 weeks back the guy in our group who buys tickets, and for years has got a tax credit for donation was still getting emails and phone calls from the AD saying his seats were still available if he wanted them. He didn’t bite for obvious reasons and I am 99% sure the seats in sec 125 (10 of the 12 together) have been in our group since the stadium opened in 1980. We got 2 on the end when the 80+ year old couple got ill and gave them up about 4 seasons ago.
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The department has repeatedly ignored the attending fans in pursuit of the almighty dollar. Particularly in the Big East days when night weekday games were the norm. You can love the Mountaineers without being naive enough to think the administration would give an individual fan the kind of consideration being asked for here. I'd say its more being a fool than altruistic to donate money to a multimillion dollar football program.
Already been said.
Is WVU Football and Athletics in general....Important to you.
If they are you support them. If you financially can you do.
Everyone enjoys CFB for different reasons but there is a point where you have to ask yourself how important it is to you.
Something bigger than me. In the end I think this is why I support it.
One of the few things I have seen that can bring men to tears. Emotionally involved with the sport
Is WVU Football and Athletics in general....Important to you.
If they are you support them. If you financially can you do.
Everyone enjoys CFB for different reasons but there is a point where you have to ask yourself how important it is to you.
Something bigger than me. In the end I think this is why I support it.
One of the few things I have seen that can bring men to tears. Emotionally involved with the sport
Come on Vernon! Using your logic we all should rush out to our favorite restaurants...stores...bars...and write them checks to help them through this. Most people are struggling to get through Covid individually...paying bills with less income...paying mortgages etc. WVU owes its fans money for games they can't attend or aren't played. Athletic Departments need to engage in a little fiscal control instead of spending money for new toys for overpaid coaches and 19 year olds. Not proactively refunding money to fans is thievery. I grew up with WVU. I graduated with honors from WVU. I worked for WVU. I have donated to WVU athletics. I love being a Mountaineer but right is right and football is just a meaningless game in the bigger scope of things.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but I'm just looking at it from a fan's perspective and if the season isn't on or even canceled mid-season it could lead to many programs really struggling to survive. I'm actually suggesting that fans be a little selfish in the sense that they're helping to save what the love, their team. I'm not saying you should give your money to them for any other reason. If fans are not allowed to attend you should be able to get 100% of your money back if you choose but again I'm saying that some may want to avoid that so they can help the program get through a tough time.
They just need to play then. There’s almost no risk for young kids. I think 90% of the fatalities are 70 and older and most of the 10% that are younger than 70 that succumbed to the virus had underlying conditions. To most people this is literally a cold.
You are equating a business to a school.
This is where even college sports is different than pro sports.
Pro sports is a business. Ultimately most are about taking care of people who have invested.
No one looks at college sports that way. There isn't someone on the other side collecting a profit.
It is having something in your life that is bigger than you. Could represent something different than someone else.
To some I think they see these universities as who they are.
Increase the name of them. The original purpose of football. That purpose is still somewhat there for some.
So where's all the money that's been made due to the Big 12-2=10? So the average Joe should bail out a university and a bunch of millionaire coaches and their palatial playpens. No thank you. Time for schools to get their priorities right.
Also, is Shane, Gee, and others involved in the athletic department going to take paycuts to save their “financial strapped athletic department“ or will we see more videos of Lyons and Caridi in the following weeks begging people to donate and not to ask for refunds.
Will the head coaches and assistants all around the department take a pay cut ?
Like everything else you write, this makes zero sense.
Universities are on the other side collecting the profit, same as the NFL. Fans dont invest in college football...there is no return on your money. They are discretionary dollars, used for entertainment, and perhaps charity (which is a stretch).
Fans are customers, that's all.
Is this a serious comment?
The poor, poor Athletic Dept, trudging shoeless, hat in hand, through hills and hollers and trailer parks of West Virginia with the faint hope of gathering up two pennies to rub together from the generous natives of the second poorest state in the nation during an international pandemic and economic shutdown in order to keep its coffers overflowing, fund obsequious "committees" to appease twelve twitter warriors, ensure every player gets an updated 24 inch 4k TV in his locker, updating every weight and bar with the new Titan line every season, supplying 1000s of dollars in Nike athletic gear, providing professionally prepared daily meals, employing dozens and dozens of drones with upper six-figure salaries, offering bonuses in the amount of 10x the average WV annual salary to coaches for winning ONE game.
Yeah, the AD can piss off.
Neither do boosters.
Businesses if they need cash bring on investors if they can't find capital by other means.
College Football is nothing like this.
No one is profiting from any of this. You are right it is about if boosters want to give money.
They are asking people who have already said they support WVU athletics and they care about how their program is taken care of
Boosters and Fans are two different groups.
Boosters are just “money marks” and are extremely vain. Boosters give a certain amount and they get benefits back, same as a business deal with investors. Not to mention that they get a taxable deduction, etc that is financially beneficial to both sides. College football is a business no matter how you try and slice it.
A sincerely tough time. I pray that God....er, Allah see and hear their plight and comfort them during these dark days.
Lol. I didn't expect you guys to get it. Keep your money and if the programs go under or become total **** you can always find something else to do with your time. But at least you can say you proved your point and didn't give them money.
And for those that actually care what I was saying, give the money if you can so YOU can keep watching your team in the future and watch it compete on a high level. I couldn't care less about keeping the coaches or athletic department people paid well. College sports (all sports) need a major reboot with spending but college programs could also suffer in a way that you may not like so you have to decide if helping them is worth it for YOU. Again, the point being do it for you and not them.
This is a multi-billion entity with enormous assets. They can collateralize and borrow, at favorable rates, if necessary...and please lets not forget they are already doing business with the most generous bank in the world - the taxpayers.
I assume, in a worst case scenario, the Athletic Department can borrow directly from the university in the form a forgivable loan.
Boosters are nothing like investors
If I invest money into your business I expect a certain return if not I am making sure the contract gives me something to get my money back. This is actually where the ideas of shares came from.
But like with anything it is a gamble.
If I invest money into your business I expect a certain return if not I am making sure the contract gives me something to get my money back. This is actually where the ideas of shares came from.
But like with anything it is a gamble.
Hey let's bring up some things that happened in the past rather than what could happen in the future. That makes sense.
Vernon, you're wanting a reboot in collegiate athletic spending but you're also advocating that the fanbase continue to pump money into programs without even being provided the opportunity to have the gameday experience.
What lessons do you expect ADs across the country to learn when the profit remains the same while the product is completely undercut? If you want the powers that be to reassess the lavish spending of EVERY P5 basketball and football program, wouldn't you stop providing the over the top funding that allows these excesses to happen at all?
It's like complaining that your teenage daughter is spending too much on needless junk, NOT suggesting she get a job, AND increasing her allowance.
What lessons do you expect ADs across the country to learn when the profit remains the same while the product is completely undercut? If you want the powers that be to reassess the lavish spending of EVERY P5 basketball and football program, wouldn't you stop providing the over the top funding that allows these excesses to happen at all?
It's like complaining that your teenage daughter is spending too much on needless junk, NOT suggesting she get a job, AND increasing her allowance.
Hey let's bring up some things that happened in the past rather than what could happen in the future. That makes sense.
Ok.
In the future, they will need to find a way to pay for all the stuff they bought in the past.
No you don't. I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not telling you to help the AD, I'm suggesting you help yourself IF you're a fan that is worried about the collapse of the program. You guys are dead set on proving something and all I'm saying if protect your own interest if you want to see football at the same level you do now. I've been doing this for three decades and never push people to give their money to the school. That's a personal choice. Most days I'm on the Blue Lot trying to get the tinfoil folks to calm down about the program going under because it's not. I'm just thinking people that have it can help a little so when they bounce back it won't be as difficult.
Hey let's bring up some things that happened in the past rather than what could happen in the future. That makes sense.
Maybe they could sell one of the numerous flatscreens, zero-gravity chairs, or one of the sections of one of the massive leather sofas. Hell, maybe even try not providing every prima donna with on-demand Gatorade and Cliff bars. I swear the snack budget per week for just the basketball team could be in the 1000s.
But no, the AD will brazenly ask the fireman from Star City VFD for a couple benjamins "when he has enough to spare."
It's absolutely shameful and embarrassing.
Vernon then your three decades of doing this has made it hard for you to grasp what a lot of us are saying. With all the opulence and overspending of private and public money revolving around the athletic program it is gross to say the guy working at Consol Number 3 should give more to "save the program." If things are so financially unstable that this crisis is destroying the foundation then all athletic administrators should be tried for mishandling public funds. Maybe spend a little less for the glitter and get money back in the hands of the coal diggers...truck drivers...and fans that constantly get sold on the importance of "staying competitive. " Football will survive...maybe at a level thar actually makes sense.
Gee, Lyons, and other head coaches could take a pay cut and donate but let’s ask or depend on average Joe to spare some of his poverty-level salary so we can be extravagant and still not even come close to competing for national championships.
It's becoming difficult to justify being a fan...
Before being a fan was just watching the team and following the team.
Now being a fan means being a walking ATM machine, and whenever the program fails...its because you didnt give them enough money.
Before being a fan was just watching the team and following the team.
Now being a fan means being a walking ATM machine, and whenever the program fails...its because you didnt give them enough money.
Reality people...
Boosters have been around since before I was born and I was born early 1960's.
Nothing in football is changing
No one is asking random people on the street to give money to the athletic program..
They are asking boosters. The way some of you talk you aren't boosters.
You aren't trying to support them financially at any time.
End of the day those are the people who have influence and decide where the program is going.
Most of them don't work at 7/11 making me slurpees when I am thirsty
Boosters have been around since before I was born and I was born early 1960's.
Nothing in football is changing
No one is asking random people on the street to give money to the athletic program..
They are asking boosters. The way some of you talk you aren't boosters.
You aren't trying to support them financially at any time.
End of the day those are the people who have influence and decide where the program is going.
Most of them don't work at 7/11 making me slurpees when I am thirsty
Always been that way.
You think people win in football without paying for it
How much do you want to see WVU win on the football field
That simple. Is winning a football game that important to you as a person.
For some it is like I said. Something bigger. Something they worked for. Something to brag about. Complex reasoning. For a lot of simple. Do you have pride about where you are from.
But these people have always been there and they are the ones Lyons is asking
Also, how do you justify the athletes having so much more than the average working fan in WV. Due to social media, the enormous and extravagant spending has showed how good the athletes have it. The athletes have better medical care than any citizen with their abundant use of xrays, MRI’s, etc that the citizens have to wait months to get approval from their insurance. Many citizens can’t afford that abundance of food that the athletes get. Your average citizen will never sit in a zero-gravity chair. Your average citizen will not have all that Nike gear. Hell, even students at WVU are not allowed to use those facilities (only the athletes), yet the students pay inflated tuition.
Like you said, all of this shows how out of control things have become in the college athletic world and how inconsiderate those in charge are (president of WVU, AD members, head coaches, etc) of your average tax paying WV citizen and fan. The department should cut salaries if they are that desperate, not out here begging for people to not ask for refunds and to just donate the money. When you are that short sighted, inconsiderate, and you can’t even offer transparency about investigations like Lyons has established, its hard to feel sympathetic toward any concern the AD has.
Nope. I really dont care much at all.
They ruined it. Its crap now. Their problems arent my problems.
Clemson won the national championship last year and their loser fans still have the same life they had before the game was played....
I can be entertained much better, for much less.
So this has nothing to do with you.
For whatever reason you are speaking as if you are a booster but at most you are a fan.
Clemson boosters feel like they accomplished something.
IPTAY has been around for awhile and Clemson fans have continued to support their program over the years.
That accomplishment of getting Clemson FB to that point was important to them.
They are hoping and praying it last forever.
It won't.
Yeah..it has nothing to do with me.
All I did was get degrees from WVU, and probably pumped in $40,000 before I was old enough to get a drink, then $40K after..
Then the years of season tickets and donations...
Then the years of alumni Association...
And then years of intentionally trying help WVU grads get jobs, because I actually give a **** and want my fellow alum to succeed.
...then the years of encouraging out of state students to choose WVU, because i knew they'd love it...
But hey..it has nothing to do with me, a guy with 25 fake usernames on a message board told me that, so it must be true.