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Ultimately, it's Mullen's call. He knew Wilson was in over his head.
He should have had Collins calling plays before then. I like Mullen, but his coaching of special teams has been average to below average. The offense had no identity this year. Rumors of Mullen not calling plays and letting Keonning (sp) call them. Brewster and Mullen getting into it in Jacksonville at halftime because Brew wanted Dak to play and Mullen didn't want to shake Russell's confidence. Wilson's bend but not break scheme on D and Mullen knowing that was ******. It's like he sits back and watches it burn before he makes a move even know he knows it should be made sooner. It will ultimately be his downfall.
He should have had Collins calling plays before then. I like Mullen, but his coaching of special teams has been average to below average. The offense had no identity this year. Rumors of Mullen not calling plays and letting Keonning (sp) call them. Brewster and Mullen getting into it in Jacksonville at halftime because Brew wanted Dak to play and Mullen didn't want to shake Russell's confidence. Wilson's bend but not break scheme on D and Mullen knowing that was ******. It's like he sits back and watches it burn before he makes a move even know he knows it should be made sooner. It will ultimately be his downfall.
More proof that Mullen is not that good of a head coach.
He has not beaten a Top 20 team at MSU, and probably never will..
He has not beaten a Top 20 team at MSU, and probably never will..
I hate that ugly truth. Another negative is having 4 DCs in 5 years. I agree that a good coach is going to beat a good team within the first 4 years. But with the perspective of things..3 bowls, victories against UGA, Mich, Auburn, TN, Ark, Fla, 3 egg bowls in 4 years....its not like he sucks. Plus with the better recruiting classes and a foundation of redshirts, depth, new facilities, etc. there is hope that we turn the corner. And when I say turn the corner I mean become a top 15 team.
Also, Tyler Russell is our QB and Mullen is going to use him till he's gone. But we haven't seen what a Mullen team can do with a true Dual Threat QB. Here's to hope.
Also, Tyler Russell is our QB and Mullen is going to use him till he's gone. But we haven't seen what a Mullen team can do with a true Dual Threat QB. Here's to hope.
Why?
We had an outstanding defense in 2011 that Wilson coached.
We were 7-0 in 2012.
There's no way in hell to make a change before he did.
And to make it worse, our starters on the DL were seniors last year. The speculation is that the new guys that will be playing this year are better, but we don't know-lots of unproven players. Apparently some were out of shape and didn't have their head on straight last year. Lots of uncertainty with this team.
we only started 2 seniors- and one was by default. Cherrington didnt start because he was the best of the bunch- he started because he didnt get suspended for drugs, report badly out of shape in August, and a few other things.
They are saying Quay has been an animal in workouts- hopefully he will keep everything else in check.
7-0 had little to do with Wilson.
Aub was a dumpster fire on offense and UT was a dumpster fire on defense. Hell we almost lost to Troy because of our D schemes.
Aub was a dumpster fire on offense and UT was a dumpster fire on defense. Hell we almost lost to Troy because of our D schemes.
That first sentence will cost us a bowl game next year...and the second sentence is why we need to start Dak and make a bowl game next season. If we can win 9 games with an experienced O-Line and Chris Relf's passing ability....we can win 8-9 with an experienced O-Line and Dak's passing ability.
I didnt say it did- but you just cant replace your DC when you are 7-0. Mullen would have looked like an idiot- especially after the 4 beatings we would have still gotten regardless of who the DC was.
Not only that, but our CBs were so poorly used at times this year as well. There was no reason for us to run such soft coverages. We had CBs that were just as good as Bama's this year, and they played press almost all the time. That's about all you need to know.
And Mullen is too hard headed to change to a Pro Style to play to the strengths of his starting QB...
Once aGAIN I ask......
Where was Virges this season? He probably looked better than PJ during their freshmen seasons. And we have yet to hear of any conditioning, drug, or attitude problems with him. If you've got info otherwise, then spill it. Because unless you do, we 17ed the whole season by starting Cherry ahead of Virges. Hell, I don't recall seeing Virges more than a handful of plays all season. F'n fatass Nick James seemed like he got more snaps than Virges. Until you or someone with solid info can give me a definitive answer, Virges riding pine all season is my definitive proof that Wilson was utterly clueless, in over his head, and playing favorites with PT.
Where was Virges this season? He probably looked better than PJ during their freshmen seasons. And we have yet to hear of any conditioning, drug, or attitude problems with him. If you've got info otherwise, then spill it. Because unless you do, we 17ed the whole season by starting Cherry ahead of Virges. Hell, I don't recall seeing Virges more than a handful of plays all season. F'n fatass Nick James seemed like he got more snaps than Virges. Until you or someone with solid info can give me a definitive answer, Virges riding pine all season is my definitive proof that Wilson was utterly clueless, in over his head, and playing favorites with PT.
Can Dan Mullen not out coach a team with better talent and win? Is that really out of the question? If so, then he needs to do everything humanly possible to figure out what Bucky did this year to get the best recruits in the nation. I know he is working hard to upgrade the talent and has done so thus far.
A good coach beats the teams he is supposed to beat when considering talent. A great coach beats those he is supposed to beat and beats some of those teams he is not supposed to beat. Dan is a good coach and I am damn glad he is here. But having zero confidence that he can win an upset is troubling.
A good coach beats the teams he is supposed to beat when considering talent. A great coach beats those he is supposed to beat and beats some of those teams he is not supposed to beat. Dan is a good coach and I am damn glad he is here. But having zero confidence that he can win an upset is troubling.
He already has:
2009 OM
2010 Georgia
2010 Florida
The only games I'm upset about are the losses @ Auburn in 2011 and @ Oxford in 2012- but both were on the road,
Is Mullen perfect? Absolutely not. But the only schools beating these 10-11-12 win SEC teams are other 10-11-and 12 win SEC teams
Exactly, I don't care if you are Durell Reavis, if you play off of your man 8 to 10 yards there is only so much you can do.
And we escaped beating Troy and some other OOC teams by ther hair of our chinny chin chin.
Didn't that Georgia team end up 6-7, losing to UCF in the Liberty Bowl? And wasn't that the worst Florida team in recent history?
I wouldn't be hanging my hat on either of those wins.
This guy...
...is going to be a miserable mother17er if Russell leads us to a 6+ win season next year.
...is going to be a miserable mother17er if Russell leads us to a 6+ win season next year.
Did you forget about the 2011 Arkansas game at Little Rock? My goodness, Tyler Wilson shredded our defense the entire game and our coach wilson refused to play man... I knew then that we were in trouble.
Does it really matter when you havent beaten that team for 40 years?
Nor won it Gainesville since the mid-1960's?
Yeah, actually it does. Not all wins are created equal. Those wins say more about the state of those teams than the state of ours. Much more impressive to beat a team that isn't having it's worst season in memory. When we do that, we'll have seen real progress.
How is stating the obvious...
...developing a view point? Those '10 teams were the worst UGA & UF teams in recent memory. That's not an opinion. What those program went on to become in later seasons (or had been in previous seasons) is irrelevant. Beating a 6-7 team is not impressive, no matter what the name on the jersey says.
It's the sunshine pumping lake that says, "WHAT? We beat JawJuh! YOU-JEE-AY! That's a signature win over a top program."
Sorry bro, but it's not.
...developing a view point? Those '10 teams were the worst UGA & UF teams in recent memory. That's not an opinion. What those program went on to become in later seasons (or had been in previous seasons) is irrelevant. Beating a 6-7 team is not impressive, no matter what the name on the jersey says.
It's the sunshine pumping lake that says, "WHAT? We beat JawJuh! YOU-JEE-AY! That's a signature win over a top program."
Sorry bro, but it's not.
Not really, I'm a MSU fan and will be Russell's biggest supporter. Doesn't mean I think it's the best decision for the team. And ONCE AGAIN, it has nothing to do with Russel's talent...it's the scheme.
But you can't get Russell's junk out of your mouth long enough to realize that.
Guess I was confused by your 1000 or so posts of the same tired take.
If thinking Russell is good is "having his junk in my mouth" then I guess anyone with two eyes and brain has felated #17. Quit parroting 34. He and I disagreed about Russell back on the old board and he says that **** because I was right.
Keep parroting him and your keys are going to end up on the roof of Taco Bell.
Wasted Talent
Wilson inherited the 2011 defense. Plus it was bolstered by the fact that we kept the offense grounded.
Cue Wailin' J the Skull-Dragger to tell us about losing Fletcher Cox, despite returning most everybody else, plus adding Slay and McKinney.
Nevertheless, 2012 vs. 2011 sucked hard. I think anyone that follows any level of football knew during the season that the 2012 D sucked. It couldn't stop a nosebleed. I can't really think back to when I first noticed that it was going to ruin our season. I suspected it during the UT game. But I vividly remember the 20+ times I yelled, "You Suck, Wilson!" during the first half of the A&M game.
If we are going to play mediocre defense and mail in the SEC schedule, I want to play mediocre with underclassmen, for the whole season, but not so much a la R. Ray. We had some hungry, play-making subs at DL and S that were put on ice in favor of the tenure program, i.e. "they're not ready". They're not going to get ready by only watching.
Wilson inherited the 2011 defense. Plus it was bolstered by the fact that we kept the offense grounded.
Cue Wailin' J the Skull-Dragger to tell us about losing Fletcher Cox, despite returning most everybody else, plus adding Slay and McKinney.
Nevertheless, 2012 vs. 2011 sucked hard. I think anyone that follows any level of football knew during the season that the 2012 D sucked. It couldn't stop a nosebleed. I can't really think back to when I first noticed that it was going to ruin our season. I suspected it during the UT game. But I vividly remember the 20+ times I yelled, "You Suck, Wilson!" during the first half of the A&M game.
If we are going to play mediocre defense and mail in the SEC schedule, I want to play mediocre with underclassmen, for the whole season, but not so much a la R. Ray. We had some hungry, play-making subs at DL and S that were put on ice in favor of the tenure program, i.e. "they're not ready". They're not going to get ready by only watching.
At that point in our program's progression, yes, beating Georgia/Florida was a signature win.
Just like beating Tennessee this year. We all knew those teams would tailspin if we beat them, happens every year.
Just fail to see why our own fans cannot give our own team any credit. And have such short memories.
Just like beating Tennessee this year. We all knew those teams would tailspin if we beat them, happens every year.
Just fail to see why our own fans cannot give our own team any credit. And have such short memories.
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Really?? What are you smoking this morning?
Those are not signature wins.
Now if we would have beaten a Top 20 team, like LSU (2012), USC or LSU(2011), Auburn or Arky(2010), or LSU or UF(2009)
any of those would be signature wins...