Always with the projections. Thats what the left has done. Not helping the poor Americans they were voted in to represent. Instead of spending money to help homeless vets they spent it on non-citizens so they can rig elections to stay in power and not helping Americans in need. Oh those croc tears you pretend to have...
Should poor people be allowed to go to the doctor?
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Always with the projections. Thats what the left has done. Not helping the poor Americans they were voted in to represent. Instead of spending money to help homeless vets they spent it on non-citizens so they can rig elections to stay in power and not helping Americans in need. Oh those croc tears you pretend to have...
Yeah you want to keep the poors on a plantation to be used as you see fit...
Then we can just build a wall on the Cali border. Cali is a cancer to the rest of the country...
"More support for home caregivers of aging and disabled veterans and bolstered services for homeless veterans are now law after President Joe Biden signed a wide-ranging veterans bill.
Biden signed the Senator Elizabeth Dole 21st Century Veterans Healthcare and Benefits Improvement Act into law on Thursday evening, the White House said in a news release.
The bill was the most comprehensive piece of veterans legislation approved by Congress in its 2023-24 session and combined several smaller measures on caregiver programs, homelessness, community care, job training, education benefits and more into one package.
On veteran homelessness, the bill will increase the per diem rate the VA can pay to organizations providing short-term transitional housing from 115% of costs to 133%. It will also give the VA flexibility to provide unhoused veterans with bedding, shelter, food, hygiene items, blankets and rideshare services to medical appointments."
Biden Signs Wide-Ranging Veterans Bill that Includes Improvements to Veteran Caregiver, Homelessness Programs
More support for home caregivers of aging and disabled veterans and bolstered services for homeless veterans are now law after President Joe Biden signed a wide-ranging veterans bill.
So you're advocating removing the world's fourth largest economy from the United States? How will you hillbillies in the Bible Belt survive with the pittance you contribute to the revenue base?
You really think that's a non-issue for a full-time caregiver? That essentially forces them to choose between their care-giving responsibilities and health insurance.
I haven’t dug into the final bill details, but I believe caregiving, volunteering and educating yourself all count toward the 80 hours. If that is indeed the case, do you still think doing one of those activities for <50% of the time it takes taxpayers to earn the money to pay for that Medicaid is an unreasonable bar? This is from Kaiser Family Foundation:
Expansion adults would be required to complete 80 hours of work or community service activities per month or meet exemption criteria to enroll in and maintain coverage (Figure 2). Individuals applying for coverage and those enrolled in coverage would need to work or engage in specified “qualifying activities” for at least 80 hours per month. States would be required to verify qualifying activities or exemptions in (at least) the month before application and (at least) one month between eligibility redeterminations (see Figure 3 and additional discussion below). The House bill specifies mandatory exemptions including all parents and caretakers (the proposed Senate language limits the parent/caretaker exemption to parents with children ages 14 and under), individuals who are “medically frail,” and individuals who are pregnant or postpartum, among others (Figure 2). The “medically frail” designation includes individuals who are blind or disabled, individuals with physical, intellectual, or developmental disabilities, individuals with substance use disorder or a “disabling” mental disorder, and those with “serious or complex” medical conditions. States may allow short-term hardship exceptions from work requirements, if requested by enrollees (or applicants) experiencing certain extenuating circumstances (Figure 2).
It doesn't, only five states explicitly count care-giving hours towards meeting the work requirement. Personally, it doesn't bother me a bit that my taxes contribute to the health and welfare of people in those circumstances. This is America and we should take care of our own.
I’m seeing conflicting info, but things also may change with that after this bill. I’m fine with caregiving counting if it’s legit. Taking care of an obese spouse on “disability” for diabeetus isn’t what I’m willing to pay for. That’s self-inflicted. Single mom taking care of a young kid, kids with disability, etc … sure I’m all in (though the father in the single mom situation should be hunted down and wages garnished to reimburse taxpayers).
We shouldn’t reward poor choices with free stuff. That’s a horrible incentive structure.
Jesus often said the meek would not inherit the earth and should be **** on so we can give billionaires tax breaks.
I didn’t hear that one, but I did hear the one about this well-known proverb: “Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.”
We are doing people a disservice by handing them something instead of teaching them to earn it.
You’re not paying $1,100 for the time. You’re paying for the expertise and years of training it took whoever did it to be able to do it correctly and safely. Also that practice has a lot of expenses to cover, power bill, malpractice insurance, payroll, etc.
We should send everyone straight to med school immediately after they graduate from high school.
I'm not sure your take is 100% accurate. If I understand correctly, there is a mandatory work/school/community service requirement of 20 hours/week for able bodied men in order to receive Medicaid. That's the same thing, although less stringent, than what was proposed by Democrats in the past.
The federal government cannot continue down this path on healthcare. We are nearly $37 trillion in debt and heading even higher. There is nothing stopping individual states from picking up the tab for the constituents healthcare. If Illinois, for example, is unhappy with the new law, they can tax their residents and continue whatever they want.
There's only a small percentage of people eligible for Medicaid who report not working or unable to find work and many of those are caregivers and students who don't have the capacity to add 80 hours of additional work, school or volunteerism to their already full schedule.
There will also be onerous new paperwork requirements to prove you're eligible every six months and many will end up being kicked off because they missed or forgot about the deadline, and others may not be computer literate and/or transient. This is not theoretical as thousands lost healthcare in Texas and Arkansas under similar state requirements in the past.
They will also be ending the premium subsidies for the ACA, which will make coverage unaffordable for millions and in addition, they will be narrowing the open enrollment period, which will lead to even more people being kicked off by not re-enrolling or signing up on time.
You're right about the debt but if they were serious about it, they wouldn't have given themselves tax cuts that will increase it by 4 trillion over the next decade. The people benefitting the most from these tax cuts are the ones who need it the least, which is an obscene argument for taking healthcare benefits from the poorest amongst us.
Imagine a poor person living in rural Kentucky with no car and completely dependent on Medicaid for insurance, they are caring for their ailing Grand mother they have no resources but the house over their head. Now, they have to work 20 hours a week. Where can they do this? How are you achieving this?
They lose their medical, they lose their house. They out on the streets.
They lose their medical, they lose their house. They out on the streets.
I think we need to see how this is implemented at the state levels. There is broad support for caregiver exemptions. If that is the case, your scenario doesn’t matter.
Regardless of that, we need to have a very serious conversation with the general public about financial planning. Forcing your children to live on Medicaid with no car because of your poor retirement planning is an awful thing to do to them. And to the country, as it perpetuates poverty.
Scrap Social Security and turn that into a “IRA” that you pay into and can draw out at 68. Invest what is paid in, incentivizes people to not only work but remain in the workforce and not on programs. Add incentives for students by awarding them with benefits for graduation and GPA above 3.0. Have exemptions only for disabled and care takers. Able bodied, able minded people need to work, not only for themselves but for the community/country. This is also a place I could find common ground on issues like DEI, maybe we incentivize the individuals to be exceptional by offering sign in bonuses or longevity milestones. Give people a real goal and something to achieve and not handouts. Build them up.
how?
You know the Democrats proposed a plan for Medicaid and work requirements with more than 80 hours
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What do you mean how? Have you ever been a full-time caregiver for an elderly or disabled person who requires around the clock care? How are they supposed to fit another 20 hours of work or classes into their schedule?
I don't care who else proposed this type of requirement, it's not only wrong, it's cruel and the reason it's in the new law is because they know it will result in more people being removed from Medicaid so they can stuff their pockets with the savings.
if there's someone working for minimum wage now, then they certainly deserve their lot in life. Around me, just flippin burgers or cutting the grass pays $20/hr
so I come back to one of my original positions...Medicaid is a state/federal program. Each pays a share. If the state wants to pick up the portion the fed is dropping they certainly can. They can even tax the billionaires whatever they want
I misunderstood your term "caregiver". In my original interpretation I saw someone working for visiting angels, home instead of one of those organizations. I agree there should be some kind of carve out for family members caring for an elderly relative
well there are more of them than billionaires and right now they're not paying their fair share
any idea where the money to pay for universal healthcare will come from? Oh lets tax all those making $1billion or more a year. In a good year there might be one or two of those.
Wasn't Obamacare supposed to solve our Medicaid problems?
you had the privilege of paying or helping to pay for someone else's blood test
federal government is involved in too many things. From most recent records the feds contribute almost 31% of SC annual operating budget. In Pennsylvania it's about 40%. Isn't that kind of crazy? Medicaid is a joint federal/state program. So the fed wants able bodies men to work for their Medicaid. But if the state wants to pick up their tabs, and taxpayers are willing to pay more then nothing stops them
not to totally agree with the preacher, but around where I live, just about every day there is someone at the corner begging for money. Most of the time, within close proximity to the corner are stores with "help wanted"signs in the windows.
we're not paying for it. We're borrowing money. It's one of the first things you learn in business school, borrow money to pay operating costs, it's the sure way to financial success. It's like seeling your products ata loss and making up for it with volume. That way the more you sell, the more you lose. It's a great strategy
now it just might be my cynical nature, but she doesn't look the type who has read the bill to find out the ins and outs of all the clauses. And, since it doesn't take effect until sometime in 2026, she should be able to arrange surgery in more than enough time.
I wonder who told her she was going to lose Medicaid? I'd wager that HHS hasn't had time to put out any implementing guidance.