Should the US Government Release ALL info about UAP’s?

[The-Hack]

In a nut shell many of us that have a lot of interest in this subject are not asking others to "believe" anything. What we are asking for is full disclosure of what the government has been hiding for 80 years.
The information that is being presented is simply to add facts and legitimacy to that request and hopes of gaining more public interest and support.

Very well stated!

As to the necessity of the MSM being fully involved, I think Congressional financial and criminal sanctions will prove to be enough to “out the truth.”

For decades, there has been a running meme that there are “men in black,” ie government enforcers who have squelched the truth on this topic. We all know movies have been made for decades regarding this very subject.

Re-read carefully what the Congress has enacted: threats of termination of funding for any government program or individual failing to fully report to the Congress all they know, and the allowance of a “window” of time for all to come forward, with complete immunity, and with a set date for a closure of the window.

Essentially, Congress has said, “Speak now, or else.”

And from brief statements of Senators and Representatives, it appears to be working, as “dozens” have now come forward.

The big remaining question(s): how much does the Congress, themselves, release?

Enough to satisfy @Catemus with scientifically reproducible proof for the international community?

Hence, the subject of my OP.

How much can we release without potentially handing Putin a new weapon to strike Kiev, or handing the Chicoms another means of cowing Taiwan?

If we possess game-changing technology not possessed by potential or actual adversaries, why release all the information?

Several posters have asked who else possesses such technology. Do such craft crash (or get abandoned) in Russia or China?

I don’t know, and not knowing, I tend to side with the “deep state,” who has, by all indications, sat on this stuff for decades trying to glean a technological advantage over our obvious adversaries.

I’m torn.

I want to know the truth, but the lure of the U. S., or “the West,” having the upper-hand is a strong argument.

Any nation that can replicate the other-worldly flight characteristics of these objects will possess a power as great, or greater than America’s brief hegemony (from 1945-1949) in atomic weaponry.

I hope we win this race!!

 

[The-Hack]

Every time a lower civilization has come in contact with a higher one, the lower civilization collapsed. Every single time.

******

Why else change your DNA?

I agree with the gist of your posts, but have to disagree here.

There are numerous 20th\21st Century examples of “higher civilizations,” encountering more primitive civilizations and choosing to leave them be.

Notably, the Indian government has jurisdiction over islands well off their coasts, and do not disturb the natives, though they occasionally fly over to check on them.

Interestingly, when the massive tsunami struck that part of the world 18 years ago, flyovers revealed the natives had largely escaped to their highlands prior to the waves washing ashore. They are “in touch” with nature!

There have been similar international efforts in South America for decades allowing primitive cultures to persist without interference.

As to immunizations changing our DNA, that is impossible: our dna is encoded, permanently, into every cell in the human body, including bone, blood, etc. Changing our DNA would entail internally changing billions of cells, with “codes” of trillions of input.

We’re good.

We’re not that good yet.

I could link to dozens of legitimate websites to show this, but I’m certain you’d find any such site a part of whatever conspiracy theory Bobby Kennedy, Jr., or Alex Jones or other alt-left/right theorist proposed, ie the thought that a shot can perform a few trillion sub-cellular surgeries.

Ironically, the very topic of this thread, UFOs, is the grand-daddy of subjects long-suspected of involvement of “deep-state” lies and deception. I believe the government has lied for decades about UFO’s, but that does not automatically mean they have lied about other topics.

 

[The-Hack]

Interesting thoughts on the coming weeks/months of disclosure.

The lobbyist predicts the hearings will be the most watched in human history (the 1973 Watergate hearings cost me a baseball season, but with multiple dedicated Sports Channels, we can have our “alien summer” and baseball, too!).

https://www.washingtonian.com/2023/...this-thing-is-getting-ready-to-blow-sky-high/

 

[The-Hack]

A well-written, but poorly reasoned article in the Atlantic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/06/alien-intact-vehicles-ufo-us-government/674323/

“The first official government program dealing with UFOs emerged in the late 1940s, soon after Arnold’s account of mysterious flashes. Lawmakers have already begun calling for official meetings about Grusch’s claims of alien wreckage. Any resulting reports and hearings, however, are doomed to be anticlimactic, as lacking in big reveals as other such events have been throughout history. And so we remain stuck.”

The author actually uses David Grusch’s name in describing the typical “Grusch cycle.” Revelation followed by no solid factual or verifiable information.

She juxtaposes the Grusch allegations with those of Donald Keyhoe in the 1950’s, and openly predicts a flop in the Congressional hearings.

But she ignores what she does not know: Grusch’s public revelations took less than an hour of video. His classified testimony to Congress took 11 hours. Unless Grusch’s testimony included filibuster-like , time consumption (like re-reading the Declaration of Independence multiple times), a reasonable person might assume Grusch has far more detail and even proof . . . proof that is still classified but accessible to Congress, though not to the public (yet).

Also, in predicting a letdown this Summer, she again uses a poor paradigm: that of Major Donald Keyhoe and his revelations in the 1950’s.

Yes. Keyhoe came to about the same conclusions as Grusch, and spoke and wrote about those conclusions. But this is a “brave new world!”

Rather than a lone figure like Keyhoe or Bob Lazar, Grusch’s testimony and legal status is backed-up (and believed by) the US Congress. And unlike prior UFO spats, this Congress has not remained passive in the face of doubters: they’ve passed laws protecting the whistle-blowers, and threatening those who refuse to do the same.

Legally, essentially, this is a battle between the Congress, who funds
all governmental activity, and the Executive Branch, in charge of the day-to-day operation of all security and defense agencies.

We might actually see Constitutional litigation the next 90 days, if the administration decides to stone-wall the Congress.

 

[Beatle Bum]

UFOs to UAPs is the sort of refresh that people give things when they want an old topic to be taken seriously again. We don’t want people to be confused when a UFO does not fly, but we need to maintain a three letter abbreviation. They all appear to be anomalous, plus we think people don’t use that word enough. And, “objects” suggests a static or solid nature, so let’s call them phenomena. Plus “flying objects” sounds too pedestrian and lacks a scientific seriousness that only jargon can articulate. UAPs has an expert ring to it, rather than that old UFO layperson jabber. And, we love when people don’t immediately know what we are talking about. Hhhhhmmmm, we sound like lawyers.

 

[lex cath]

UFOs to UAPs is the sort of refresh that people give things when they want an old topic to be taken seriously again. We don’t want people to be confused when a UFO does not fly, but we need to maintain a three letter abbreviation. They all appear to be anomalous, plus we think people don’t use that word enough. And, “objects” suggests a static or solid nature, so let’s call them phenomena. Plus “flying objects” sounds too pedestrian and lacks a scientific seriousness that only jargon can articulate. UAPs has an expert ring to it, rather than that old UFO layperson jabber. And, we love when people don’t immediately know what we are talking about. Hhhhhmmmm, we sound like lawyers.

CC I’ve said the same thing about global warming, same parallels. Let’s change the catch phrase to something more compelling and broader like climate change. It’s from the same playbook as this and get some more attention from it. Reminds me a lot of shark attack vs shark bites, bites conveyed well it was a bite but if we go with attack then there’s the hook, no pun intended

 

[Deeeefense]

Interesting thoughts on the coming weeks/months of disclosure.

The lobbyist predicts the hearings will be the most watched in human history (the 1973 Watergate hearings cost me a baseball season, but with multiple dedicated Sports Channels, we can have our “alien summer” and baseball, too!).

https://www.washingtonian.com/2023/...this-thing-is-getting-ready-to-blow-sky-high/

Here is the the News Nation Interview with Congressman Burchett
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8zJWoKCc3t8

 

[The-Hack]

UFOs to UAPs is the sort of refresh that people give things when they want an old topic to be taken seriously again. We don’t want people to be confused when a UFO does not fly, but we need to maintain a three letter abbreviation. They all appear to be anomalous, plus we think people don’t use that word enough. And, “objects” suggests a static or solid nature, so let’s call them phenomena. Plus “flying objects” sounds too pedestrian and lacks a scientific seriousness that only jargon can articulate. UAPs has an expert ring to it, rather than that old UFO layperson jabber. And, we love when people don’t immediately know what we are talking about. Hhhhhmmmm, we sound like lawyers.

I’ll see you and raise you a res ipso loquitor (as soon as I refresh my recollection as to what the f@&k that actually means).

I wait for the day UAP’s are
known as “FFA’s”, or Fancy Flying Asshats. Easier for me to remember, and my old FFA **** might be relevant, again!!

 

[Deeeefense]

I’ll see you and raise you a res ipso loquitor (as soon as I refresh my recollection as to what the f@&k that actually means).

res ipso loquitor - The thing speaks for itself.
It's the only Latin I ever learned. I quote to people sometimes and get funny looks.

 

[The-Hack]

Here is the the News Nation Interview with Congressman Burchett
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8zJWoKCc3t8

Speaking of Burchett, he’s starting to sound a tad shrill.

His full quotation that “they” could turn us into charcoal briquettes, but he didn’t think they would, as they have yet to do so . . . is something less than I had hoped for.

When postulating potential horror scenarios, I lean more toward our being eaten for lunch over mere incineration, but this position might be influenced by proximity to meal time, and I’m posting this at 11:20ish, my time.

 

[Beatle Bum]

res ipso loquitor - The thing speaks for itself.
It's the only Latin I ever learned. I quote to people sometimes and get funny looks.

I have a suspicion Hack knew that.

 

[Deeeefense]

I have a suspicion Hack knew that.

me too, it's sort of a lawyer thing.

 

[The-Hack]

I have a suspicion Hack knew that.

I'll merely admit that my memory has now been refreshed!!

My God, is Deeeefense a lawyer too??

And did anyone else catch my link, above, quoting "Stephen Bassett, Washington's veteran UFO lobbyist?"

Veteran UFO lobbyist?

I kept an eye on the UK Law job board for years after graduation, until it went virtual. I don't regret my career, but damn, I couldda' handled being a UFO lobbyist!

I picture myself trying to hire an "escort" for my "clients" in the DC area, 30 years, ago, telling the "lady" that "he's a little shy, and he only comes up to your belly-button, but once you get past that gray skin, he has lovely almond eyes."

 

[Deeeefense]

I'll merely admit that my memory has now been refreshed!!

My God, is Deeeefense a lawyer too??

I'm not a lawyer but I did play one on TV.

 

[The-Hack]

I'm not a lawyer but I did play one on TV.

Holiday Inn Express, last night?

 

[Deeeefense]

Holiday Inn Express, last night?

yep

 

[Beatle Bum]

I'll merely admit that my memory has now been refreshed!!

My God, is Deeeefense a lawyer too??

And did anyone else catch my link, above, quoting "Stephen Bassett, Washington's veteran UFO lobbyist?"

Veteran UFO lobbyist?

I kept an eye on the UK Law job board for years after graduation, until it went virtual. I don't regret my career, but damn, I couldda' handled being a UFO lobbyist!

I picture myself trying to hire an "escort" for my "clients" in the DC area, 30 years, ago, telling the "lady" that "he's a little shy, and he only comes up to your belly-button, but once you get past that gray skin, he has lovely almond eyes."

Humanoid aliens. When I saw that crazy “dash cam” footage of the grey and naked alien (seemed taller than you portray and damn they seem to be nudists), I wondered what it means if we learn aliens look like something off a human evolution chart. That, by itself, deserves a long ponderous moment.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I'm not a lawyer but I did play one on TV.

I designed a prototype for a lawyer video game, but everyone who played it got sick or began drinking heavily.

 

[KenTucker]

Very well stated!

As to the necessity of the MSM being fully involved, I think Congressional financial and criminal sanctions will prove to be enough to “out the truth.”

For decades, there has been a running meme that there are “men in black,” ie government enforcers who have squelched the truth on this topic. We all know movies have been made for decades regarding this very subject.

Re-read carefully what the Congress has enacted: threats of termination of funding for any government program or individual failing to fully report to the Congress all they know, and the allowance of a “window” of time for all to come forward, with complete immunity, and with a set date for a closure of the window.

Essentially, Congress has said, “Speak now, or else.”

And from brief statements of Senators and Representatives, it appears to be working, as “dozens” have now come forward.

The big remaining question(s): how much does the Congress, themselves, release?

Enough to satisfy @Catemus with scientifically reproducible proof for the international community?

Hence, the subject of my OP.

How much can we release without potentially handing Putin a new weapon to strike Kiev, or handing the Chicoms another means of cowing Taiwan?

If we possess game-changing technology not possessed by potential or actual adversaries, why release all the information?

Several posters have asked who else possesses such technology. Do such craft crash (or get abandoned) in Russia or China?

I don’t know, and not knowing, I tend to side with the “deep state,” who has, by all indications, sat on this stuff for decades trying to glean a technological advantage over our obvious adversaries.

I’m torn.

I want to know the truth, but the lure of the U. S., or “the West,” having the upper-hand is a strong argument.

Any nation that can replicate the other-worldly flight characteristics of these objects will possess a power as great, or greater than America’s brief hegemony (from 1945-1949) in atomic weaponry.

I hope we win this race!!

Enough to satisfy @Catemus with scientifically reproducible proof for the international community?

I don’t know why you think the “international community” should be involved in this most American issue. UFOlogy is a distinctly American phenomenon. If, and that’s a very big if, alien technology exists and America is the sole possessor of it, why on earth would we share that info with anyone else?

If the Congressional hearing brings out enough hearsay evidence, then it is imperative that our best scientists be recruited to analyze any physical evidence for the claims being made.

As I said in an earlier post, this would be the most profound discovery in all of history. Absolutely nothing else comes close to it. I don’t think the weight of it really registers with you.

It would mean that earth is not the only world that is home to an intelligent civilization. The knowledge that we are not alone would change every aspect of human life. There no adequate words to describe how we would change as a species.

You seem worried about the tech falling into enemy hands in a China and Russia. Brother, the idea of nations being enemies would vanish in the light of having a potential extraterrestrial enemy.

Again, let the weight of this subject settle into your mind and then consider the ramifications a discovery like this would have on everything you know now. It would all change overnight.

 

[The-Hack]

I don’t think the weight of it really registers with you.

Uh, I think it does!!

I have read for decades the reactions of others and their similarly stated fear of full disclosure.

Let me just say that my home County was inundated with lots of “circumstantial evidence” from 1972 until 1977, my teenage years. I long ago “came to terms” with what I believed to be the truth, and do not fear further disclosure.

I hope that we can, indeed, “disclose”without surrendering potential hegemony, perhaps accomplished with a focused, secure effort to master the technology, that may well have been gifted to us.

I tend to find humor even in the most serious of subjects.

And as to this all, I hope “we” have the last laugh.

 

[The-Hack]

Brother, the idea of nations being enemies would vanish in the light of having a potential extraterrestrial enemy.

Again, UFO’s are not a uniquely American phenomena.

The very reporting source of this discussion, David Grusch has confirmed that the first recovery and possession of anomalous materials occurred in Northern Italy in 1933, and was initially possessed and analyzed by Mussilini’s Fascist government . . . fortunately, little to their advantage.

Without reference to whether the Chinese or Russians have abandoned craft that they are reverse engineering, you will soon find other nations’ highest leadership has long had knowledge of the truth. Grusch has called it a “technological Cold War.”

I would love to think that open acknowledgement of alien life would foster international accord, but it has had little effect to date, though widely known in leadership circles for decades.

I’m all for American hegemony of any thing of value, but interestingly, Grusch seems to call for internationalization for the “good of humanity.”

I want my cake and I want to eat it too.

I want to know the truth, and I want the US to hold it tight, and use it to every potential advantage.

 

[The-Hack]

Again, let the weight of this subject settle into your mind and then consider the ramifications a discovery like this would have on everything you know now. It would all change overnight.

Now, now.

I’ll still go fishing, do my job, gamble, chew tobacco, look at pretty girls indiscreetly, and pet my dog and cat, until they pop an alien cap in my ***, or keel-haul my carcass to Orion’s Belt.

This is not the end of the world.

But if it is, I am with REM: I FEEL FINE!!

 

[Beatle Bum]

If the UAP/FOs represent some extraterrestrial existence, their tech far exceeds ours, unless they are somehow biologically capable of space travel without the type of tech we have yet to invent. They also can exist, biologically or technologically, in our atmosphere. Their capabilities surely exceed our own and they have been here for quite a while, it appears. But, for as advanced as we perceive them to be, they are evidently not without error. Have they made an effort to retrieve these vehicles or vehicular parts we supposedly possess? Are they scouts waiting for years for their own to arrive and conquer? If so advanced, why don’t they just help us? And, again, what does it mean if they are “humanoid?” How likely is this form the form of extraterrestrials from other systems? What would a common form mean? Are we related?

I know there are theories to answer these questions, but they are interesting and confounding.

Seems believers have just accepted they are here, now let’s go get a latte.

 

[Beatle Bum]

If they exist and our government has known about them for years and just pretended to be reaching out to the stars for signs of life, we are yet again reminded how much our government deceives. And, if knowledgeable people have been so afraid to reveal this until now, our government is conspiracy theory scary.

 

[Deeeefense]

If they exist and our government has known about them for years and just pretended to be reaching out to the stars for signs of life, we are yet again reminded how much our government deceives. And, if knowledgeable people have been so afraid to reveal this until now, our government is conspiracy theory scary.

IMO the government's roll in this area is so deeply hidden and compartmentalized that organizations like NASA may not know much about what is going on.

 

[Beatle Bum]

IMO the government's roll in this area is so deeply hidden and compartmentalized that organizations like NASA may not know much about what is going on.

I find that plausible, but not probable.

 

[KenTucker]

Again, UFO’s are not a uniquely American phenomena.

The very reporting source of this discussion, David Grusch has confirmed that the first recovery and possession of anomalous materials occurred in Northern Italy in 1933, and was initially possessed and analyzed by Mussilini’s Fascist government . . . fortunately, little to their advantage.

Without reference to whether the Chinese or Russians have abandoned craft that they are reverse engineering, you will soon find other nations’ highest leadership has long had knowledge of the truth. Grusch has called it a “technological Cold War.”

I would love to think that open acknowledgement of alien life would foster international accord, but it has had little effect to date, though widely known in leadership circles for decades.

I’m all for American hegemony of any thing of value, but interestingly, Grusch seems to call for internationalization for the “good of humanity.”

I want my cake and I want to eat it too.

I want to know the truth, and I want the US to hold it tight, and use it to every potential advantage.

Again, UFO’s are not a uniquely American phenomena.

The very reporting source of this discussion, David Grusch has confirmed that the first recovery and possession of anomalous materials occurred in Northern Italy in 1933, and was initially possessed and analyzed by Mussilini’s Fascist government . . . fortunately, little to their advantage.

Without reference to whether the Chinese or Russians have abandoned craft that they are reverse engineering, you will soon find other nations’ highest leadership has long had knowledge of the truth. Grusch has called it a “technological Cold War.”

I would love to think that open acknowledgement of alien life would foster international accord, but it has had little effect to date, though widely known in leadership circles for decades.

I’m all for American hegemony of any thing of value, but interestingly, Grusch seems to call for internationalization for the “good of humanity.”

I want my cake and I want to eat it too.

I want to know the truth, and I want the US to hold it tight, and use it to every potential advantage.

UFO’s are not a uniquely American phenomena.

Not uniquely American, but certainly the subject qualifies as an American phenomenon. We’re also known for our conspiracy theories and cryptid sightings.

David Grusch (Wikipedia)

In June 2023, United States Air Force (USAF) officer and former intelligence official David Grusch publicly claimed, based on testimony he claims was provided to him by other officials, that the U.S. federal government maintains a highly secretive UFO recovery program and is in possession of "non-human" spacecraft and "dead pilots." In 2022, Grusch filed a whistleblower complaint with the U.S. Office of the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) in order to share classified information with the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. He also filed a complaint alleging retaliation by his superiors over a similar complaint he made in 2021.

He claims to have viewed documents reporting that Benito Mussolini's government recovered a "non-human" spacecraft in 1933, which the Vatican and the Five Eyes assisted the U.S. in procuring in 1944 or 1945. Grusch asserts individuals with whom he conversed shared the concern that American citizens have been killed as part of the government’s efforts to cover-up the information. In response to his June 2023 claims, both the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) issued statements saying respectively that no evidence has been found for extraterrestrial life and that there is no verifiable information about the possession and reverse engineering of any extraterrestrial materials. Under the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, two members of the U.S. House of Representatives stated a congressional hearing on UFOs has been tentatively scheduled for late July 2023.

Claims are not convincing. For all of his efforts, he is just adding to the conspiracy that “the government,” a nebulous umbrella term used by most conspiracists, is covering up the presence of alien technology.

 

[KenTucker]

IMO the government's roll in this area is so deeply hidden and compartmentalized that organizations like NASA may not know much about what is going on.

How could that be done? Donald Trump, the most open and transparent president in US history would surely have let us know if there were any actual findings, don’t you think? Do you really think “they” could have kept him in the dark? For four years?

 

[Deeeefense]

How could that be done? Donald Trump, the most open president in US history would surely have let us know if there were any actual findings, don’t you think? Do you really think “they” could have kept him in the dark? For four years?

What makes you think Trump or any other President would have that info? If Congress has to pass legislation to indemnify whistleblowers from reprisals for testifying, and provide protection from death threats just to get people like Grusch to talk what makes you think the a President could just pick up the phone and ask the pentagon to send him everything they have on a subject they have been hiding and lying about for 80 years?

 

[The-Hack]

And, if knowledgeable people have been so afraid to reveal this until now, our government is conspiracy theory scary.

This is my biggest concern.

The roots of all distrust of the “deep state,” IMHO, were planted by the odd and confusing manner of concealment of UFO’s by the Feds.

 

[KenTucker]

What makes you think Trump or any other President would have that info? If Congress has to pass legislation to indemnify whistleblowers from reprisals for testifying, and provide protection from death threats just to get people like Grusch to talk what makes you think the a President could just pick up the phone and ask the pentagon to send him everything they have on a subject they have been hiding and lying about for 80 years?

Because he is the Commander in Chief of the military! He has access to everything. So does Congress and the Supreme Court. They are the three balancing branches of our democratic republic. If any of the three want information and it is intentionally withheld from them, heads will roll.

That includes the CIA, FBI and the DOJ. While it is traditional for those agencies to act semi-autonomously, they must obey.

You and every other person who is interested in the subject of UFOs/UAPs should be glad that we have this system. Now that Congress has ordered a hearing about the subject, you can bet that the air will be cleared (pun intended), hopefully once and for all.

BTW, any word on when the hearing will actually take place? I know it was scheduled for late July and we’re already in the middle of the month so there should be a date. It will make for an interesting thread to follow those proceedings.

Just found this other Congressional hearing from May 17, 2022.

Congressional hearing on UFOs

And here is a summary done by AI of the first Congressional hearing on UFOs in 1966:

The hearing was held by the House Committee on Armed Services on April 5, 1966, in response to widely publicized UFO sightings and repeated public and media criticism of the Air Force’s Project Blue Book123.

• The hearing featured testimonies from Air Force officials, scientists, and civilian UFO researchers, such as Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Dr. James E. McDonald, and Major Donald E. Keyhoe13.
• The hearing covered topics such as the nature and origin of UFOs, the scientific methods and criteria used to investigate and evaluate UFO reports, the adequacy and transparency of the Air Force’s UFO program, and the possible implications of UFOs for national security and public interest13.
• The hearing revealed that the Air Force had investigated over 10,000 UFO reports since 1947, of which about 5% remained unexplained13. It also showed that there was a lack of consensus among the witnesses on the validity and significance of the UFO phenomenon13.
• The hearing concluded with a statement by the committee chairman, Representative L. Mendel Rivers, that the committee was satisfied with the Air Force’s handling of the UFO problem and that there was no evidence of any threat to national security or any indication of extraterrestrial origin of the UFOs13.

You can read the full transcript of the hearing here: https://archive.org/details/ufo_1966_1

 

[Beatle Bum]

Because he is the Commander in Chief of the military! He has access to everything. So does Congress and the Supreme Court. They are the three balancing branches of our democratic republic. If any of the three want information and it is intentionally withheld from them, heads will roll.

That includes the CIA, FBI and the DOJ. While it is traditional for those agencies to act semi-autonomously, they must obey.

You and every other person who is interested in the subject of UFOs/UAPs should be glad that we have this system. Now that Congress has ordered a hearing about the subject, you can bet that the air will be cleared (pun intended), hopefully once and for all.

BTW, any word on when the hearing will actually take place? I know it was scheduled for late July and we’re already in the middle of the month so there should be a date. It will make for an interesting thread to follow those proceedings.

The hearing is scheduled for star date 4123.7.

 

[KenTucker]

The hearing is scheduled for star date 4123.7.

 

[The-Hack]

Claims are not convincing.

Certainly true, . . . for the moment.

But you have to give me this regarding Grusch and recent events: his gravitas, his duties the last three years, and the dumbfounded remarks by Congressmen who have heard his full testimony and seen other evidence and witnesses has “moved the needle” far more in forty days than had other revelations in forty years.

Yes, it is still circumstantial evidence.

But this circumstantial evidence is of the highest quality in history.

And the weight of this circumstantial evidence has you seriously (and wisely) weighing the consequences of further disclosure.

 

[The-Hack]

How could that be done? Donald Trump, the most open and transparent president in US history would surely have let us know if there were any actual findings, don’t you think? Do you really think “they” could have kept him in the dark? For four years?

Be calmed!

President Biden is undoubtedly on top of this!

I can envision his springing into action the day of Grusch’s interview, verily manning the massive reins of government (after 45 minutes looking for his left slipper, bumping into the portrait of JFK, mistaking his Secret Service detail for a butler, brushing his teeth with Preparation H, tripping on the carpet seam in the Oval Office, and spilling his cream of wheat on his left pant leg).

We have nothing to fear!

 

[KenTucker]

Certainly true, . . . for the moment.

But you have to give me this regarding Grusch and recent events: his gravitas, his duties the last three years, and the dumbfounded remarks by Congressmen who have heard his full testimony and seen other evidence and witnesses has “moved the needle” far more in forty days than had other revelations in forty years.

Yes, it is still circumstantial evidence.

But this circumstantial evidence is of the highest quality in history.

And the weight of this circumstantial evidence has you seriously (and wisely) weighing the consequences of further disclosure.

Well, sure. The subject interests me because I have had a passion about space and the possibility of extraterrestrial life since I was a kid.

I am, however, an extreme skeptic. I base this skepticism on the physics of the Universe that I’ve studied all of my life. My current feeling about the possibility of another civilization within our own galaxy is that it is unlikely. I agree with British astrophysicist Brian Cox that there may be one to three per galaxy depending on its size.

With an estimated 400 billion stars within the Milky Way, of which some 33 billion may harbor a planet having life, we could very well be the first intelligent life in our galaxy. Probably all 33 billion of those planets have life but it most likely has not evolved into intelligent beings.

Our closest neighbor, the Andromeda galaxy is much bigger than the Milky Way with more than one trillion stars. It may have several planets with intelligent life, and more than 100 billion with life forms that are not intelligent as we define it.

So, my skepticism is based on what I think is the scarcity of intelligent life in the Milky Way, but also the prohibitive laws of physics that keep any biological life forms firmly attached to their planets of origin.

AI, as a proxy for biological life or, as I like to think, the successor species to biological life, is certainly a possibility for traversing the interstellar distances between solar systems or maybe even between galaxies. However, the distances between these bodies is so enormous that not even the speed of light is adequate for exploration. Unless, of course, the aforementioned AI operates with a timeless agenda.

I really think that if contact with an alien intelligence ever occurs, it will be with an AI that was born from its biological parents. We may be the first intelligence in our galaxy to give life to an AI species, also. We are at the threshold of AI sentience here on earth.

 

[The-Hack]

We are at the threshold of AI sentience here on earth.

Excellent response.

Your last sentence has me more worried than does the potential for alien disclosure.

As to the number of planets hosting intelligent life, estimates are still pretty blind, as we can’t be sure of the relevant numbers. We now know that planets in the habitable zone of stars are not rare, so that’s a huge leap from our lack of knowledge since 1990.

 

[The-Hack]

I believe it was Secretary of Defense James Forrestal who "fell" out of a hospital window.

“Thereafter, Forrestal's mental health rapidly deteriorated, declining to the point in which he underwent medical care for depression. While a patient at Bethesda Naval Hospital, Forrestal died by suicide from fatal injuries sustained after falling out of a sixteenth-floor window.”

Great catch!!!!

 

[Deeeefense]

Update on Congressional action - the slow roll of Disclosure seems to be picking up steam:

 

[Beatle Bum]

Update on Congressional action - the slow roll of Disclosure seems to be picking up steam:

The earth began to warm after recognition of aliens. Are they impacting our climate?