The electric and hybrid cars put more wear and tear on the road because they’re so heavy. Ideally there would be a per mile tax on them, but there’s no easy way to approximate that like the gas tax does for ice vehicles. Could do odometer checks I guess but then you’d have to come in person for a renewables each year.
So, no more state income tax
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Sure there is. Make them pay quarterly IFTA. There’s apps that track state to state mileage. Fully auditable for any registered vehicle.
Auditing IFTA for commercial trucking works, because of the mileage involved is fine, but not sure that works for Eva and hybrids. I think it’d be easier and more politically
viable to just have them come in for an odometer check. I guess maybe you could allow self reporting and then a true up every few years, but you’d have to have something to address sales.
Easiest way to do it is provide verified odometer readings at the time of tag renewal. Tax office calculates amount of tax due based on previous years readings.
ETA. Doesn’t even have to be verified odometer. At the time of renewal give them your odometer reading. Have it in the system to randomly pull tag office to verify readings. Underreport and get caught and get fined on top of having to catch up unpaid mileage tax.
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Dumb idea. You'd have no way to know if that tax should go to MDOT for upkeep of state highways and bridges, or to cities or counties for upkeep of county roads and bridges. Or to some other state they drove in
Where does the annual tax fee go now? I’d assume it would distribute just like it is already. No need to send to other states if it’s a personal use vehicle. It’s a MS tax. Other states can do what they want with their registered vehicles.
There are no current consumption fees on mileage. You pay for your tag based on the value of your car and ad valorem portion goes to schools and localities
Are you saying that County governments are too stupid to send this theoretical mileage tax to the state? If yes, that’s kind of a problem….with the county.
Hell I think it’s a damn good idea @PBRME
State of Florida assesses tag tax based on weight……and they don’t know exactly where you’re driving. All they know is that it’s based somewhere in the state.
Does that include the $200 EV fee someone was complaining about earlier? That’s what my posts were about. Not the actual taxes paid on tags. Just the additional EV fee.
Was just offering an alternative to a flat fee. Pay for actual road use. You travel a lot you’ll pay more. You don’t and you pay less.
I honestly don't know how the current $200 flat fee is split (if at all). I'll find out from our tax collector Monday, though. I'm on BOS of a county in MS
We know, that's why we are asking you. I just don't see any reason that something that is not being done now, can't be done in the future.
Please tell me none of yall were gullible enough to think EV's weren't going to have some sort of tax for road usage AND that said tax was probably going to be more than it should be . Tax man gonna get his.
Didn’t Kansas do this about 10 years ago and have it fail? By fail I mean the state just never had enough money and was forced to cut everything until they finally went back to the old way?
I think Kansas cut income tax all at once. Mississippi is cutting it little by little over a several year period with limitations based on revenue each year.
Nothing complicated. I just don't like being taxed extra on my registration for buying a Hybrid to save me and my family money, then the state comes along and says "oh, no we have to have our cut....we can't have you out there with a Hybrid not paying gas taxes like you would have". It's a little bit arrogant IMO and there are many other ways to fund state road maintenance.....like starting a DOGE initiative for the State of Mississippi. Guarantee you a real DOGE team like Elon's would find Billions in savings to have one of the best road systems in America.
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In TN, there’s a wheel tax or weight tax put on EVs since their weight impacts roads still. EV owners hate it here but it’s a fair trade-off.
Man, my heart breaks for you for having to be around all us idgits and morons.***
Kinda already doing that. TateR is cutting dang near everywhere. Delbert has been sounding the alarm but no one is listening.
We've waived income tax, cut grocery tax, allowed online wine orders. Basically, we've half-assed what really needs to be done but will beat our chests over it anyway.
And you know who the worst person in MS government is? It's our insurance commissioner. His old *** has us with insane insurance rates and said we need better paying jobs to cover the costs instead of doing his damn job. Our insurance rates here are insane.
And you know who the worst person in MS government is? It's our insurance commissioner. His old *** has us with insane insurance rates and said we need better paying jobs to cover the costs instead of doing his damn job. Our insurance rates here are insane.
If vehicles are taxed based on weight, then work truck coats should be thru the roof.
And large SUV costs should be the same.
...yet many states provide loopholes/exemptions.
Tax vehicles based on value, or age, or usage, or weight...so many possibilities and you can find someone to complain about each.
Generally the gas tax does that. They’re heavy so they pay more per mile. The ad valorem and accelerated depreciation issues are separate
I think all states tax gas, right? weight/value-ad valorem thing is the tag tax.
so that tells me EVs and hybrids also need a usage tax outside the tag.
Then you have not seen the bills proposed. The House and senate have differing bills but both are increasing taxes elsewhere, gas tax and increasing sales tax are in there. Property taxes are next
Well spoken my friend. As a former Mississippian who has lived in Texas for 20 years. The lesser of the two state tax devils is a state income tax.
That's so marginal on impact it shouldn't even be factored into the equation. If it did, then we should add taxes to SUV's, Trucks, and SPSers that weigh more than tree fiddy.
The much bigger factors in road life include weather, soil conditions, materials quality used in construction, and how many Chelada Clamato Budweisers the el jeffe of the construction crew had the day that section of road was constructed.
That’s what the gas tax does. A big part of miles per gallon is weight. Maybe that’s grossly over penalizing fat sixpackers, I dunno.
But by buying a hybrid or EV, without the tag fee you’re now paying proportionately less than the wear & tear you’re putting on the roads. Before hybrids & EVs, the gas tax was a pretty fair way to allocate the tax to maintain & build roads. Now, probably the fairest would be to eliminate gas tax & tax vehicles based on weight & mileage.
just as info to everyone. the fuel tax counties receive won't pay the cost to re-seal a mile of road in a county. What we get in fuel tax is miniscule. The main revenue we use to maintain and re-seal or asphalt roads is Use tax (internet sales tax) and a portion of ad valorem. Most of the fuel tax goes to MDOT. Per federal law, counties are also supposed to receive a large portion of the federal fuel tax, but the money flows through MDOT and the counties only end up getting about a 1/3 of what they're supposed to get. MAS tried to get it fixed in DC about a decade ago, but lobbyists killed it.
That is correct, but we still need a fair way to tax for road maintenance. That way most of the tax would go to 18 wheelers, as it should.
What do you mean by get a third? Are you counting all the state aid funding? Or is mdot counting state construction in a county as money being for the county? Or something else?
Yes. If we truly had to pay the cost to build and maintain roads through fuel tax (or electric surcharges on car tags), we'd still be driving horses and buggies. And air travel as we know it would be virtually non-existent.
state aid funding is separate. we get state aid funding once per election term based on a formula. the total pool of state aid funds has been set at $90 MM per year. the new tax bill will add to that substantially. It'll be the first time since 1987 that a major road funding bill has been passed. during that time, costs to build and maintain roads have escalated completely out of control. there are several funds that counties receive monies out of for road upkeep. you have regular state aid funding. you have ERBR (emergency road and bridge repair). this fund came about from the closure of about 800 bridges statewide several years ago. you have SABP and LSBP. and you have use tax (internet sales tax). we get use tax distributions twice a year. fuel tax funnels through MDOT. There are state-added fuel taxes, and there are federal-added fuel taxes. counties are supposed to receive a larger portion of federal fuel taxes than we receive.
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Many of my friends — left and right— are against the gas tax increase but it’s been needed for years.
The state lottery funding can only do so much.