He was finally being held accountable and was treated divinely - evidence? $50 million.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE END LOOKS LIKE
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Want to be a pro football player, then expect the standard to change.
I went to most games during Paterno’s couple of bad years. While disappointed, the crowds were mostly buoyant and respectful and proud.
PSU has won the seventh most games in the history of college football, and the vast majority of those came from the early 1960s onward. In order for that to happen, the program probably is closer to a top 6 program. And really, who cares; there's not much difference between most of the top 10 programs anyway.
You are right. They didn't look great. If I had to make a somewhat educated guess.......I would blame the decision (which ultimately was Franklins) to "manage the reps" and workloads of the veteran players. This was a theme that James shared in the spring and even into fall camp. He was certainly also taking the advice of his strength and conditioning staff on this as well. At the time, it sounded logical. You want your best players healthy and peaking at the right moment. However, in hindsight, we all have lived by the adage that you can't turn it on and off. When the bright lights came on, the key players were still managing their workloads. It's simple. To get stronger in the weight room....doing reps with weights you can already manage will maintain strength.....but to increase strength, one must rep to momentary muscular failure. Only when all the available muscle fibers have been recruited and exhausted, does rest and repair allow for an increase in strength.
You don't get better or prepared for peak competition, by going half speed, managing workload etc.
I once scouted a team that led 38-0 at half time. The coach subbed in his bench at halftime. They won that game 38-35.
I never forgot this. No matter what the lead, I never subbed until my team established dominance in the second half. Subbing at half sends a subliminal message to your player that the game is over.
I think that James and the training staff, sent a similar message to some of the veteran players. Personally, I think that's the best explanation for the uneven play early and the late wake up against Oregon.
Simply put, PSU could have been very good. But, perhaps they weren't as good as they thought they were! LOL
Joe picked him. So why not Krafty. Let he who is without sin..,
PSU is around #8 in wins all time and the same in winning percentage. But all the teams I mentioned are pretty damn good too. My point is there are 2 National Championships in the history of the program. Acting like you deserve a national championship based on petigree is folly.
Then we should expect you to stop telling us here how much you don’t care repeatedly right?
Without Joe, Penn State football would be nothing…heck, neither would Penn State.
College football has changed. There is a 12 team playoff and Penn State needs to make that every year. We are easily a top ten program who can win national championships. If you don't believe that which it sounds like you don't then I don't know what you think Penn State football is. Look at all the money we are spending and then look at the results under Franklin. Yeah he had some "nice" seasons but c'mon 1 top 5 win and what 4-21 versus top ten!? Letting the program be Ohio State's doormat for a decade. Then this year he has checked out and lost the respect of all the players and coaches......despite being given everything. Complete embarrassment and nothing like the Penn State football I grew up on. Currently we are not Nebraska but a lot worse. Franklin deserved to be fired and we finally hold him accountable. He couldn't blame it on a bad coordinator or not enough money or whatever lame excuse he had through the years.
I don’t have a problem with the firing but Franklin said after both the UCLA and Northwestern losses that it was 100% his fault and responsibility. Perhaps your false claims demonstrate your lack of credibility.
He deserved to be fired immediately as they did. This is big money, big boy professional football. He didn't perform so he is out.
I agree with this, though at the end of the day it turns out they just weren’t a very good team. All of it ultimately falls in the coach’s shoulders.
I like Franklin. I really wanted him to succeed at Penn State. I have excused losses in the past, hoping he would get it figured out. UCLA was the end for me. No more excuses, no more chances. I saw a team that wasn’t ready to compete. That can’t happen, plain and simple.
I don't expect anything. I think that that is a big problem with the current team; it's like they expected something to happen rather than work for it. Other than the Nevada game and the fourth quarter of the Oregon game, this team never has played with any passion. In hindsight, this team obviously was vastly overrated; their d-line and linebacker depth is very subpar.
As far as Championships go, we all know that PSU could've and probably should've either won or shared four more National Championships under Paterno, and PSU also can claim National Championships in 1911 and 1912. So. if you added all of those up, PSU easily could claim upwards of eight National Championships, which would put it right there with schools like Oklahoma and most of the other top 10 programs. Also, as of the start of this season, PSU was seventh in wins and was creeping up on Oklahoma for sixth place.
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Today is the first I've posted in 3 weeks. I debated for awhile if it made sense to jump in. It's not like I expected anyone to agree with me. It makes me feel better to see posters here defend the way Franklin was treated. But, this is my final post. You won't have Marshall 2323 to kick around anymore (Nixon
) I'll leave this venue to those who wish to justify the way the fanbase carried itself. 60 years and it was a good run. Now we get to give someone else a chance...haha "We" can't do worse. Can we?You can continue worshipping at the Church of Joe. The rest of us will stay grounded in reality.
The poster above just provided ample evidence that you were wrong. Very wrong.
It is a fact that we lost both games. It is a fact that we could have won. It is a fact that we have lost numerous games when we were on the edge of something much bigger over and over again. There is a point, again, where it is time to move on.
I think it can be stated as fact that AK's offense is geared towards a mobile quarterback. I think it can be stated as fact that Allar is not a mobile QB. Now, it is my opinion that the mismatch of those two has lead to stagnation on the offense and I think there are plenty of stats/facts to back that up. You may disagree for some reason because you seem to love disagreeing with people, but it is not unreasonable.
And then another and another? Sorry but after Kraft said Franklin was fired because the University holds itself to a higher standard which is Big Ten and National Championships rather than thanking him for his service and saying simply it was time to move on his FIRST hire damn well better be a home run or he should be ushered out the door based on his own “standard”. No excuses Pat.
C’mon Marshall, you are better than that. We have disagreed on most things (except Joe). Stick around and begin anew.Today is the first I've posted in 3 weeks. I debated for awhile if it made sense to jump in. It's not like I expected anyone to agree with me. It makes me feel better to see posters here defend the way Franklin was treated. But, this is my final post. You won't have Marshall 2323 to kick around anymore (Nixon
Like I said, I was a Franklin apologist until recently. However, he would've been fired several years ago from schools like OSU if he had a 1-10 record against Michigan or PSU like Franklin did against OSU.
He said after both losses that it was 100% his fault and responsibility and that he was going to fix it after Saturday’s loss. I don’t disagree with the firing but stop the nonsense.
Yep and Penn State was the consensus preseason #1. Ridiculously conservative coaching by my favorite coach at the end of the Minny game but there was no social media back then.
Right. I see no reason to leave. Like Marshall, I took a couple of weeks off this board as well. I know what it’s like after a loss. But I haven’t see much, if any, defending of mistreatment by the fanbase. Unless we’re talking about firing chants and booing.
PSU fanbase no different than any other, always going to have nut jobs out there that say and do things that aren't representative of the masses.
1. The overwhelming majority of Coaches get it wrong and they are not above being questioned or called to account for it. 2. What we choose to weigh in evaluating a coach's performance can vary depending on our perspective: I will now value how you treat my kid and the opportunities you do or do not give them, I care less about wins and losses; others may care much more about what your win/loss record looks like because that is the only vested interest they have in the program. Neither view is wrong, but there is a conflict between the two. To wit: in order to win, I have to use your kid. When your kid succeeds, I reap the benefits. When your kid does not perform, I shouldn't have to absorb the losses (I need this job to pay the bills) or I should get more chances (I need this job to pay the bills). The player may not get that same second chance. Franklin has the blessing to get it wrong, and pocket more money for his mistakes than 99.9% of the people who sit in Beaver Stadium. This restarts the cycle with my point 1.
He can be fired if the first coach isn't but it was time. I think it's fair to expect more Big Ten titles.
Facilities used to be the Keyser Soze of complaints when we couldn’t get top recruits; now it’s NIL.
Welp, it finally caught up to Franklin, huh? Poor guy couldn't recruit with the top squads, AND he was a horrible game day coach. How we went toe-to-toe with all those better teams and just barely came up short was a miracle, amirite? Outgunned and outthunk, and still would only lose by a hair, more often than not.
Kicking doesn't seem to one of this teams issues. So the goalposts dont need moved.Can we move the goalposts?
