So Trumps numbers have gone up after his banning comments....

RichardPeterJohnson

New member
Dec 7, 2010
12,636
108
0
which leads me to conclude that the GOP is populated by people who want someone to talk tough, make decisions half-cocked, display no depth in contemplating issues, piss off our allies, and make us all look like backwards yahoos to the rest of the world. Trump is their man.
 

moe

Active member
May 29, 2001
32,450
133
63
which leads me to conclude that the GOP is populated by people who want someone to talk tough, make decisions half-cocked, display no depth in contemplating issues, piss off our allies, and make us all look like backwards yahoos to the rest of the world. Trump is their man.
and he plays right into ISIS's hands. ISIS is doing cartwheels. It's like some kind of Saturday Night Live sketch or something but it's real. I keep waiting for it to be over but it keeps going. I had zero interest in voting for Hillary but he makes her look like a sound and reasonable choice. She may be the biggest liar ever but at least she's not crazy. Imo Trump is the best thing to ever happen to Hillary. This is the worst presidential field on both sides that I've ever seen and it's not close.
 

Airport

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2001
80,891
984
113
and he plays right into ISIS's hands. ISIS is doing cartwheels. It's like some kind of Saturday Night Live sketch or something but it's real. I keep waiting for it to be over but it keeps going. I had zero interest in voting for Hillary but he makes her look like a sound and reasonable choice. She may be the biggest liar ever but at least she's not crazy. Imo Trump is the best thing to ever happen to Hillary. This is the worst presidential field on both sides that I've ever seen and it's not close.

Isis was doing cartwheels over this admin refusing to engage them like they meant it. We can't take out oil tankers because:
1. Might be civilians driving them
2.Might leak crude oil on the ground.
3. Might require the use of ordance.
4.Require our pilots to actually fly a real mission
5. Require our cIC to look like he hates Muslims.
 

Airport

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2001
80,891
984
113
which leads me to conclude that the GOP is populated by people who want someone to talk tough, make decisions half-cocked, display no depth in contemplating issues, piss off our allies, and make us all look like backwards yahoos to the rest of the world. Trump is their man.
Trump is not President. The only person who makes the US look bad is our own CIC right now. Someone who is dependable as Comcast service.
 

RichardPeterJohnson

New member
Dec 7, 2010
12,636
108
0
Isis was doing cartwheels over this admin refusing to engage them like they meant it. We can't take out oil tankers because:
1. Might be civilians driving them
2.Might leak crude oil on the ground.
3. Might require the use of ordance.
4.Require our pilots to actually fly a real mission
5. Require our cIC to look like he hates Muslims.
That oil tanker policy has been changed. And for not engaging them, we've killed about 23,000 of them so far according to the Washington Post story I posted yesterday. So the facts don't match up with what you say.
 

RichardPeterJohnson

New member
Dec 7, 2010
12,636
108
0
and he plays right into ISIS's hands. ISIS is doing cartwheels. It's like some kind of Saturday Night Live sketch or something but it's real. I keep waiting for it to be over but it keeps going. I had zero interest in voting for Hillary but he makes her look like a sound and reasonable choice. She may be the biggest liar ever but at least she's not crazy. Imo Trump is the best thing to ever happen to Hillary. This is the worst presidential field on both sides that I've ever seen and it's not close.
The thing about it is, he probably doesn't even believe that what he's saying is the right thing to do. But he knows that this is what the morons who support him what him to say. Sort of scary.
 

WVPATX

Member
Jan 27, 2005
28,197
91
38
That oil tanker policy has been changed. And for not engaging them, we've killed about 23,000 of them so far according to the Washington Post story I posted yesterday. So the facts don't match up with what you say.

Yes, they're the JV team and they're contained. LMAO. What a weak, feckless President. Jimmy Carter pleased.
 

RichardPeterJohnson

New member
Dec 7, 2010
12,636
108
0
Yes, they're the JV team and they're contained. LMAO. What a weak, feckless President. Jimmy Carter pleased.
I'm sure that the many leaders of isis and the 23K or so of their fighters who have been killed agree with you. Facts are persistent things. Of course, you don't know much about facts. Do you?
 

WVPATX

Member
Jan 27, 2005
28,197
91
38
I'm sure that the many leaders of isis and the 23K or so of their fighters who have been killed agree with you. Facts are persistent things. Of course, you don't know much about facts. Do you?

You're absolutely delusional is you think Obama is winning this war. Not even Dems believe that. The American people certainly don't believe it. ISIS is gaining in power throughout the region. He calls Paris a "setback." He gives weak, pathetic speeches. His last one was simply awful. Not even sure why he gave it, perhaps to give the American people the false assurance that he was on top of things.

ISIS is the JV team. ISIS is contained. Al Qaeda is on the run. Leading from behind. Syrian red line. Assad must go. Libya debacle. Pathetic Iran deal. Russia taking over the ME. Millions of refugees. The EU is collapsing under the weight of these refugees. ISIS is infiltrating the refugee population. Now, an ISIS attack on America.

Yep, Obama's winning.
 

Airport

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2001
80,891
984
113
The thing about it is, he probably doesn't even believe that what he's saying is the right thing to do. But he knows that this is what the morons who support him what him to say. Sort of scary.
There's nothing wrong with suspending immigration from Europe, Africa especially and the middle east until we come up with a plan to vet the immigrants. Somalia is a BIG problem and Minn is where they were sent. Even you could agree that we need to get a better grasp on who we are letting in. If not, maybe we could send all of them next door to you in Tenn.:sunglasses:
 

RichardPeterJohnson

New member
Dec 7, 2010
12,636
108
0
There's nothing wrong with suspending immigration from Europe, Africa especially and the middle east until we come up with a plan to vet the immigrants. Somalia is a BIG problem and Minn is where they were sent. Even you could agree that we need to get a better grasp on who we are letting in. If not, maybe we could send all of them next door to you in Tenn.:sunglasses:
ORNL draws a shitload of foreigners from all over....china, russia, india, all over europe.....a few middle easterners. I see these people every day. Who know, maybe I'll become their next victim. I'm just shitting my pants as I type this.
http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/adam/1ae773220f38d656129b7f06acdd067a/****-my-pants.png
 

MikeRafone

New member
Oct 5, 2011
4,238
53
0
It's not the GOP as a whole and it's policies, it's the party apparatus that is the problem. They've got a demagogue on their hands and they don't know how to handle him. They should have shown him the door when he made fun of the handicapped reporter or the Jersey City remarks but they didn't have the guts. They could lose the nimrod vote.

He's George Wallace and Huey Long rolled into one. Dump the bullying ,conniving, loudmouthed *** and find someone who has an outside chance of beating the Hildebeast.
 

rog1187

Well-known member
May 29, 2001
69,532
4,642
113
and he plays right into ISIS's hands. ISIS is doing cartwheels. It's like some kind of Saturday Night Live sketch or something but it's real. I keep waiting for it to be over but it keeps going. I had zero interest in voting for Hillary but he makes her look like a sound and reasonable choice. She may be the biggest liar ever but at least she's not crazy. Imo Trump is the best thing to ever happen to Hillary. This is the worst presidential field on both sides that I've ever seen and it's not close.
LOL...ISIS doing cartwheels because of what Trump said...I don't think they've been cowering at the with Obama no matter how many of them have been killed while he has been President. You actually think ISIS will quit if we only talk nice to them?
 

WVUBRU

New member
Aug 7, 2001
24,731
62
0
which leads me to conclude that the GOP is populated by people who want someone to talk tough, make decisions half-cocked, display no depth in contemplating issues, piss off our allies, and make us all look like backwards yahoos to the rest of the world. Trump is their man.
Pretty much sums up the nuts that has transformed the party to what it is today. You can see it in almost every topic discussed. Cruz and Carson also belongs to this bizarro world
 

moe

Active member
May 29, 2001
32,450
133
63
LOL...ISIS doing cartwheels because of what Trump said...I don't think they've been cowering at the with Obama no matter how many of them have been killed while he has been President. You actually think ISIS will quit if we only talk nice to them?
ISIS would love to have a Rambo in the White House. I agree with the writer in the provided link. Why else would they pick a fight with every world power that they can? Work to beat them back but don't take the bait. Support the foreign forces that are there fighting them now.

The Islamic State is driven by an ideology of hatred and destruction and its actions suggest that it wants a third world war between infidelity and Islam. To this end, it appears that ISIS is trying to lure the U.S. into deploying a large ground force in Syria and Iraq — so it can kill more Americans. Directly engaging ISIS on the battlefield would be construed as honoring the organization. Declaring war on ISIS would be manipulated to elevate the terror group's status. ISIS propaganda would be used to recruit fighters from around the world who want to kill Americans.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/08/is-isis-trying-to-start-world-war-iii-commentary.html
 

RichardPeterJohnson

New member
Dec 7, 2010
12,636
108
0
ISIS would love to have a Rambo in the White House. I agree with the writer in the provided link. Why else would they pick a fight with every world power that they can? Work to beat them back but don't take the bait. Support the foreign forces that are there fighting them now.

The Islamic State is driven by an ideology of hatred and destruction and its actions suggest that it wants a third world war between infidelity and Islam. To this end, it appears that ISIS is trying to lure the U.S. into deploying a large ground force in Syria and Iraq — so it can kill more Americans. Directly engaging ISIS on the battlefield would be construed as honoring the organization. Declaring war on ISIS would be manipulated to elevate the terror group's status. ISIS propaganda would be used to recruit fighters from around the world who want to kill Americans.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/08/is-isis-trying-to-start-world-war-iii-commentary.html
And this is exactly why the "leading from behind" strategy will be the most effective here. We need to "lead" muslim countries into this fight and let them do what needs to be done on the ground. This would not give isis what it wants. To have muslim countries doing the fighting would not inflame the msulim world like a western power, once again, invading a ME country would. But the yahoos among us think our president needs to be rambo, talk tough, bomb til the sand glows, bomb the **** out of them, yada yada. they obviously are not smart enough toundersatnd the geopolitics of entering into another invasion of a ME country. W certainly had no clue about the nuances between shia and sunni. He inadvertently gave Iran much more sway in the region. I'm glad the dumbasses are no longer in charge.
 

mule_eer

Member
May 6, 2002
20,438
58
48
Before we go too crazy over the poll numbers, I'll bet some of those polled were called prior to Trump's statement. It looks like this was the final straw for Trump with respect to the GOP leadership, although Trump is pulling his independent run card to try to slow down their work against him. At this point, I think they have to call his bluff. Kasich has been pointing this out for a while, and now the other "establishment" candidates are doing it too. Trump is a lot of bluster. Any time someone else gets any media attention, he lets loose with something that gets him into circulation again. I haven't done a statistical analysis, but it seems like most of these sorts of comments come early in the news week. He dominates the news for the week lights another fire cracker over the weekend or early the next week. He's not spending much for advertising. He's letting the media do that for him.
 
Sep 6, 2013
27,594
120
0
ISIS would love to have a Rambo in the White House. I agree with the writer in the provided link. Why else would they pick a fight with every world power that they can? Work to beat them back but don't take the bait. Support the foreign forces that are there fighting them now.

The Islamic State is driven by an ideology of hatred and destruction and its actions suggest that it wants a third world war between infidelity and Islam. To this end, it appears that ISIS is trying to lure the U.S. into deploying a large ground force in Syria and Iraq — so it can kill more Americans. Directly engaging ISIS on the battlefield would be construed as honoring the organization. Declaring war on ISIS would be manipulated to elevate the terror group's status. ISIS propaganda would be used to recruit fighters from around the world who want to kill Americans.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/08/is-isis-trying-to-start-world-war-iii-commentary.html

The right wingers aren't intelligent enough to see it...or they choose to blindly follow what Faux news tells them they should believe. They love wars and the defense contractors.
 
Sep 6, 2013
27,594
120
0
Before we go too crazy over the poll numbers, I'll bet some of those polled were called prior to Trump's statement. It looks like this was the final straw for Trump with respect to the GOP leadership, although Trump is pulling his independent run card to try to slow down their work against him. At this point, I think they have to call his bluff. Kasich has been pointing this out for a while, and now the other "establishment" candidates are doing it too. Trump is a lot of bluster. Any time someone else gets any media attention, he lets loose with something that gets him into circulation again. I haven't done a statistical analysis, but it seems like most of these sorts of comments come early in the news week. He dominates the news for the week lights another fire cracker over the weekend or early the next week. He's not spending much for advertising. He's letting the media do that for him.

I wish you were correct. Unfortunately, I saw a couple of "voter panels" (they randomly selected voters) last night and this morning and there were people on that panel that said he was still "spot on" and that's why they support him. It's very enlightening, and disappointing at the same time, to see how ignorant some of the voting population is.
 

bamaEER

New member
May 29, 2001
32,435
60
0
ISIS would love to have a Rambo in the White House. I agree with the writer in the provided link. Why else would they pick a fight with every world power that they can? Work to beat them back but don't take the bait. Support the foreign forces that are there fighting them now.

The Islamic State is driven by an ideology of hatred and destruction and its actions suggest that it wants a third world war between infidelity and Islam. To this end, it appears that ISIS is trying to lure the U.S. into deploying a large ground force in Syria and Iraq — so it can kill more Americans. Directly engaging ISIS on the battlefield would be construed as honoring the organization. Declaring war on ISIS would be manipulated to elevate the terror group's status. ISIS propaganda would be used to recruit fighters from around the world who want to kill Americans.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/08/is-isis-trying-to-start-world-war-iii-commentary.html
Which is more the reason why we need to keep this fight mostly good Islam vs. bad Islam.
 

moe

Active member
May 29, 2001
32,450
133
63
The right wingers aren't intelligent enough to see it...or they choose to blindly follow what Faux news tells them they should believe. They love wars and the defense contractors.
The "get tough" thing worked well in the past when you're dealing with governments but we're fighting an ideology and group of people that have no country to call their own or formal government that you can negotiate with or punish in traditional ways but some still want to use tactics that are good for dealing with regular governments. I'm not saying that what is being done has been the perfect answer but I think it's moving in the right direction and it's not committing us to another bloody, drawn out ground war. Working towards reducing their revenues by destroying oil infrastructure there is just one way to do that. When they can't pay their mercenary fighters as well or at all (and they're getting killed), many will go back to where they came from imo.
 

mule_eer

Member
May 6, 2002
20,438
58
48
I wish you were correct. Unfortunately, I saw a couple of "voter panels" (they randomly selected voters) last night and this morning and there were people on that panel that said he was still "spot on" and that's why they support him. It's very enlightening, and disappointing at the same time, to see how ignorant some of the voting population is.
The flaws I see with his plan are 2-fold. First, how do you create a religious test for someone coming into a country that claims to be based on the idea of religious freedom? Second, how can you know whether someone is Muslim or not unless they tell you?
 

bamaEER

New member
May 29, 2001
32,435
60
0
The flaws I see with his plan are 2-fold. First, how do you create a religious test for someone coming into a country that claims to be based on the idea of religious freedom? Second, how can you know whether someone is Muslim or not unless they tell you?
Absolutely. Faith based screening is ludicrous. And in his bout of narcissistic Taurette's he just blurted it out there before thinking about it. Now he's building some half-baked case AFTER he said it.
 
Last edited:

MountaineerWV

New member
Sep 18, 2007
26,267
143
0
Trump is not President. The only person who makes the US look bad is our own CIC right now. Someone who is dependable as Comcast service.

You do realize that ISIS is going crazy (in love "crazy") with Trump's comments. They don't care if he's the president or not. He's American....that's all they need. They use his comments, plus their propaganda, and voila.....more recruits.
 

TarHeelEer

New member
Dec 15, 2002
89,280
37
0
The right wingers aren't intelligent enough to see it...or they choose to blindly follow what Faux news tells them they should believe. They love wars and the defense contractors.

Have you all even said what this strategy is out loud?

I'm not going to kick your butt, but I'm going to talk Fred into doing it, because Fred is ghetto like you and if I get my hands dirty, it'll give you street cred, even though I could kick your butt in about 10 seconds.
 
Sep 6, 2013
27,594
120
0
Have you all even said what this strategy is out loud?

I'm not going to kick your butt, but I'm going to talk Fred into doing it, because Fred is ghetto like you and if I get my hands dirty, it'll give you street cred, even though I could kick your butt in about 10 seconds.

And drone strikes. With drone strikes, you kill bad guys and don't risk spilling American blood. That's why we developed the drones to begin with.
 

Airport

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2001
80,891
984
113
And drone strikes. With drone strikes, you kill bad guys and don't risk spilling American blood. That's why we developed the drones to begin with.
Anybody that has served in the military will tell you, you need to grab a few of these guys for info. It's not always what they tell you but what they don't.
 

Airport

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2001
80,891
984
113
You do realize that ISIS is going crazy (in love "crazy") with Trump's comments. They don't care if he's the president or not. He's American....that's all they need. They use his comments, plus their propaganda, and voila.....more recruits.

AT the risk of offending you, ISIS, radical Islamic muslims, hate the west. They recruit men who are out of work in Europe, recruit muslims in Minn, they recruit all over. What Trump says makes little difference since as much as 25% of all muslims agree with their tactics. It is an excuse that makes no sense to normal people. Only people with sensitive ways about them. Ninnies.
 

MountaineerWV

New member
Sep 18, 2007
26,267
143
0
AT the risk of offending you, ISIS, radical Islamic muslims, hate the west. They recruit men who are out of work in Europe, recruit muslims in Minn, they recruit all over. What Trump says makes little difference since as much as 25% of all muslims agree with their tactics. It is an excuse that makes no sense to normal people. Only people with sensitive ways about them. Ninnies.

Wow, you are a little slow today. Let me help you out. It may not help ISIS in the fact that they are already recruiting, but it could SWAY more people who weren't against us to become more against us. Understand now? You stated 25% (which for the sake of arguing is too high, I'm sure Fox did a poll you are citing...) agree with their tactics. Well, of the 75% left that don't, his comments could sway another 5-15% couldn't they?
 

rog1187

Well-known member
May 29, 2001
69,532
4,642
113
which leads me to conclude that the GOP is populated by people who want someone to talk tough, make decisions half-cocked, display no depth in contemplating issues, piss off our allies, and make us all look like backwards yahoos to the rest of the world. Trump is their man.
Trump won't win the GOP nomination...his ceiling has been at most 32%...when some of these other guys start dropping out, their support will not go to Trump.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TarHeelEer

DvlDog4WVU

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2008
46,608
1,486
113
Isis was doing cartwheels over this admin refusing to engage them like they meant it. We can't take out oil tankers because:
1. Might be civilians driving them
2.Might leak crude oil on the ground.
3. Might require the use of ordance.
4.Require our pilots to actually fly a real mission
5. Require our cIC to look like he hates Muslims.
Just to be clear, we are bombing the **** out of them and have been for over a year. This is the most relaxed ROE I've seen in 13 years.
 

WhiteTailEER

New member
Jun 17, 2005
11,534
170
0
Isis was doing cartwheels over this admin refusing to engage them like they meant it. We can't take out oil tankers because:
1. Might be civilians driving them
2.Might leak crude oil on the ground.
3. Might require the use of ordance.
4.Require our pilots to actually fly a real mission
5. Require our cIC to look like he hates Muslims.

 

TarHeelEer

New member
Dec 15, 2002
89,280
37
0
which leads me to conclude that the GOP is populated by people who want someone to talk tough, make decisions half-cocked, display no depth in contemplating issues, piss off our allies, and make us all look like backwards yahoos to the rest of the world. Trump is their man.

Around 1/3 want that, but that is about the top of what he can get. It's all about the other 2/3, and who ends up #2. Need to start thinning the herd down some. Start with Jeb.
 

bamaEER

New member
May 29, 2001
32,435
60
0
Around 1/3 want that, but that is about the top of what he can get. It's all about the other 2/3, and who ends up #2. Need to start thinning the herd down some. Start with Jeb.
Once candidates like Jeb, Kasich, Fiorina and others drop off, I'm really anxious to see where that support goes. Not sure if Trump really is topped out.
 

WVUBRU

New member
Aug 7, 2001
24,731
62
0
Once candidates like Jeb, Kasich, Fiorina and others drop off, I'm really anxious to see where that support goes. Not sure if Trump really is topped out.
I also would agree Trump hasn't topped out his support from gop primary voters
 

TarHeelEer

New member
Dec 15, 2002
89,280
37
0
How he got 35% in the first place defies all logic.

No it doesn't . A lot of his support, which doesn't just come from the GOP, is from lower-middle or lower income. A lot of people are beyond fed up with Washington, political games, special interest groups, and always looking to fix things that aren't broken, while they've lost their middle income factory job and had it shipped overseas... now they work in McDonald's trying to make a living and McDonald's <> factory job. They'd just as soon do away with the feds, and this is their way of showing it.

Can't believe the intellectual elites haven't figured this out yet.
 

WVUBRU

New member
Aug 7, 2001
24,731
62
0
How he got 35% in the first place defies all logic.
In a normal political year with normal supporters, i would agree. Neither are normal. He is simply preying on fear and emotions as he has zero legitimate solutions to anything. What he is doing has been done many times in world history. It is unique for US history.
 

bamaEER

New member
May 29, 2001
32,435
60
0
I ca
In a normal political year with normal supporters, i would agree. Neither are normal. He is simply preying on fear and emotions as he has zero legitimate solutions to anything. What he is doing has been done many times in world history. It is unique for US history.
I can see how someone 'outside the politcal circle' would be attractive, especially with all fighting between the parties in Washington. But he had a big bump when he said McCain wasn't a war hero. Who the hell are these people?
 

bornaneer

Active member
Jan 23, 2014
29,811
462
83
I ca

I can see how someone 'outside the politcal circle' would be attractive, especially with all fighting between the parties in Washington. But he had a big bump when he said McCain wasn't a war hero. Who the hell are these people?

Maybe they are the same nuts who made the same claims about McCain when he was running against President Obama. Surely you remember.