So where does Jackson go from here?
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I've never traveled anywhere because they had nice roads. I have traveled some ****** roads to go places tho.
You make nice roads because of increased traffic. Not the other way around.
You make nice roads because of increased traffic. Not the other way around.
Despite his many faults, Herenton helped the revitalization of downtown
He was a staunch proponent of the importance of downtown. There's no denying its 50x better than it was in 1991.
He was a staunch proponent of the importance of downtown. There's no denying its 50x better than it was in 1991.
Pyongyang keeps it's roads nice and tidy. Their paved roads are just glowing with traffic and their mixed use developments (live, work, play) are some of the best in SE Asia.
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There is a direct correlation with infrastructure and GDP per a Cornell University study. Also MSU taught me that in Urban Planning classes.
As noted this is only one piece of the puzzle.
I live in a Jackson suburb and I’m disappointed in the election. I guess that makes me a *****. I did not choose to move out of Jackson inasmuch as I’ve never lived in Jackson. Like many people in the suburbs, we simply chose to never move to Jackson in the first place when we moved to the Metro area. (This may just be a pet peeve of mine, but everyone speaks of white flight as if everyone’s picking up and leaving Jackson. Yes, this happens, but many have just chosen to never move to Jackson in the first place.) Does it make me a ***** that I place my family’s safety and a quality public education for my children ahead of the inconsequential effect of my presence in Jackson?
Yes, I agree that what happens in Jackson directly affects all of the Jackson metropolitan area, and I think most rational people agree with this. It is because “we’re all in this together” that I have a vested interest in yesterday’s election and every right to be disappointed in the outcome. This is not me looking down my nose at Jackson. This is me recognizing just what you say, that the problems of Jackson affect us all. It’s hypocritical to say how much I should care about what happens in Jackson but that I have no right to care about what happens in Jackson.
Yes, I agree that what happens in Jackson directly affects all of the Jackson metropolitan area, and I think most rational people agree with this. It is because “we’re all in this together” that I have a vested interest in yesterday’s election and every right to be disappointed in the outcome. This is not me looking down my nose at Jackson. This is me recognizing just what you say, that the problems of Jackson affect us all. It’s hypocritical to say how much I should care about what happens in Jackson but that I have no right to care about what happens in Jackson.
They have nice roads because there are enough tax paying citizens in whatever cities because there are three things.
1. Low Crime
2. Business Opportunities
3. Low Crime
It's the other way around. Nice roads don't attract people to live in a city. They come after the city can afford to pay for them through tax revenue from businesses and households locating themselves in the city. Surely you learned that in Urban Planning class. If not, your teacher did a ****** job.
1. Low Crime
2. Business Opportunities
3. Low Crime
It's the other way around. Nice roads don't attract people to live in a city. They come after the city can afford to pay for them through tax revenue from businesses and households locating themselves in the city. Surely you learned that in Urban Planning class. If not, your teacher did a ****** job.
I agree, but he did it to the neglect of everything else...
and the rest of the city. We also sold our souls badly for much of that redevelopment in overleveraging ourselves with tax incentives to where we aren't getting much of a return tax-wise on what we do have.
and the rest of the city. We also sold our souls badly for much of that redevelopment in overleveraging ourselves with tax incentives to where we aren't getting much of a return tax-wise on what we do have.
Guess you don't understand my point that Jackson's roads will never be nice. Never. Cause there will never be any new businesses there. A 17ing road paved of gold wouldn't help. Like you said, crime is the biggest problem. Fix that then infrastructure improvements follow.
Also, have you ever seen a nice new neighborhood, office park or shopping center have a road full of pot holes and patches?
And by the way I had a professor not a teacher.
Also, have you ever seen a nice new neighborhood, office park or shopping center have a road full of pot holes and patches?
And by the way I had a professor not a teacher.
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For those not in the know, here is a good read on the new mayor of jackson:
http://www.kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2013/05/free-land-by-any-means-necessary.html
http://www.kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2013/05/free-land-by-any-means-necessary.html
Well since you mentioned it Madison (west of 55) has some ****** roads. Not all of them but more than their share. Which makes your point even more valid I suppose.
If they hold true to form, those roads will be completed at approximately the same time we have outgrown them. Awesome.
I don't know if I am qualified to speak because I grew up on the coast and moved out of the state last fall, but I don't think it's going to be as bad as people are making it sound.
While the mayor has a say-so with economic development, Jackson is always going to get the benefit of the doubt having the governor take most of that responsibility (see Barbour). Will it effect some little stuff here and there? Maybe, but then again, if that happens it's probably more-so on your city council than anything else. He's not the first douche to be elected mayor of a capital city, and if an unlikable guy who will be there for only 4 years is the only thing standing in the way of me making money, it's a non-issue.
Every bigger city in the US has a suburb that has taken on a life of its own. Fort Worth, TX is a product of Dallas, TX, but you'll notice they coordinate on just about everything instead of resent each other for causing crime or whatever big cities and their little counterparts blame each other for. Jackson, Madison, Clinton, and whoever else would be in a lot better shape if they got together on issues instead of trying to establish independence from the other, not wanting to address Jackson's problems that directly effect them too. That's exactly how Memphis became the armpit that it is.
Last point: This guy reminds me of Ray Nagin. He's got a lot of degrees but he's not qualified to be mayor and has made some bonehead comments. He's there because people voted him in, so it is it really his fault or Jackson's fault? The 3 years prior to Katrina that Nagin was in office, did you see any noticeable changes or anything crazy happen? Post-Katrina is a different story and irrelevant to this point, but just because you have a well-educated, radical as a centerpiece of your government doesn't mean he can actually do anything. They say a bunch of stuff, get elected, and then run into the bureaucratic buzz saw that leads to them giving up. It's only when they are given a microphone in front of a TV that you cringe and everyone laughs at you for living there, but that just leads to successors like Mitch Landrieu... who is awesome.
So here's to laughing at you Jackson, because some top notch quotes are going to come from this guy over the next couple of years. They'll eventually piss some really awesome guy off and inspire him to get involved in local government.
While the mayor has a say-so with economic development, Jackson is always going to get the benefit of the doubt having the governor take most of that responsibility (see Barbour). Will it effect some little stuff here and there? Maybe, but then again, if that happens it's probably more-so on your city council than anything else. He's not the first douche to be elected mayor of a capital city, and if an unlikable guy who will be there for only 4 years is the only thing standing in the way of me making money, it's a non-issue.
Every bigger city in the US has a suburb that has taken on a life of its own. Fort Worth, TX is a product of Dallas, TX, but you'll notice they coordinate on just about everything instead of resent each other for causing crime or whatever big cities and their little counterparts blame each other for. Jackson, Madison, Clinton, and whoever else would be in a lot better shape if they got together on issues instead of trying to establish independence from the other, not wanting to address Jackson's problems that directly effect them too. That's exactly how Memphis became the armpit that it is.
Last point: This guy reminds me of Ray Nagin. He's got a lot of degrees but he's not qualified to be mayor and has made some bonehead comments. He's there because people voted him in, so it is it really his fault or Jackson's fault? The 3 years prior to Katrina that Nagin was in office, did you see any noticeable changes or anything crazy happen? Post-Katrina is a different story and irrelevant to this point, but just because you have a well-educated, radical as a centerpiece of your government doesn't mean he can actually do anything. They say a bunch of stuff, get elected, and then run into the bureaucratic buzz saw that leads to them giving up. It's only when they are given a microphone in front of a TV that you cringe and everyone laughs at you for living there, but that just leads to successors like Mitch Landrieu... who is awesome.
So here's to laughing at you Jackson, because some top notch quotes are going to come from this guy over the next couple of years. They'll eventually piss some really awesome guy off and inspire him to get involved in local government.
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http://www.ridgelandms.org/wp-content/uploads/Narrative.pdf
This is a good read
Madison County Economic Development Authority- the Madison County Economic
Development Authority has been heavily involved in this project for over five years. They are
committed to helping the county increase job opportunities, improve the quality of life of its
residents, and attract new families to call Madison County home. This project is seen as an
important factor in that process
i live in ridgeland but my business is in Jackson. i'm going to be optimistic and hope chockwe (?) as mayor has a board sense of the city as opposed to the narrow parochial "we're gonna get ours" that will screw up the whole city. the guy is not dumb and i'm hoping he'll have sense enough not to cut off his nose to spite his face. time will tell.
You are probably right MadDawg. I agree with you despite the projects goals.
State of Good Repair: This project is consistent with the local entities transportation
plan as well as the STIP. These projected connector roads are also imperative to the
local master plans in regards to land use and economic development.
As stated before, traffic volumes are expected to increase with the projected growth of
the cities of Madison and Ridgeland. Without the project in place, traffic volumes
were expected to increase by over 70 percent on MS 463 to 29,000 vehicles per day.
Growth is also projected for the major north-south roadways of US 51, which is
expected to experience a daily volume a daily volume increase to 30,100 (an increase
of 37percent), and I-55, which is expected to have an increase in volume to 64,000,
almost 70 percent. Also, there are two schools located along these routes where traffic
volumes increase at peak times of the day causing even more congestion on the
roadways. This increase in traffic volumes will lead to an accompanying deterioration
in levels of service and the existing network. Most of the key intersections operate at
an acceptable level of service. However, by the design year of 2025 levels of service
begin to deteriorate. This will be a preventative measure in anticipation of
deterioration of the existing network.
Wow... and I was only sort of thinking about roads.
It'd be nice to have water that didn't taste like MSU stadium cups smell and to have pipes that didn't bust when it got below 40 degrees. A public transportation system that hasn't gone from a total mess to a diminishing pile of dung. An airport that could handle more than two large crop dusters a day (slight exaggeration but the airport is pitiful). More stuff like the Art Garden at the MS Museum of Art.
Basically things that make it attractive and accessible to businesses and residents. Smooth roads would be a bonus. My modified Prius that runs on smugness and melted down high capacity magazines really takes a beating on it's recycled rubber tires.
It'd be nice to have water that didn't taste like MSU stadium cups smell and to have pipes that didn't bust when it got below 40 degrees. A public transportation system that hasn't gone from a total mess to a diminishing pile of dung. An airport that could handle more than two large crop dusters a day (slight exaggeration but the airport is pitiful). More stuff like the Art Garden at the MS Museum of Art.
Basically things that make it attractive and accessible to businesses and residents. Smooth roads would be a bonus. My modified Prius that runs on smugness and melted down high capacity magazines really takes a beating on it's recycled rubber tires.
if you think those new hospital "satelite" locations would exist without the central hub hospitals in jackson then you are seriously mistaken. like almost all sizeable citie (most of whom have the same/similar issues to jackson) the suburbs exist only because of the central city. is not complicated. madison/flowood/ridgeland/etc thrive in large part because of proximity to jackson. we need each other. and i live in ridgeland so i'm not an anti-suburbanite.
Chokwe alledged quote: "We're in a transitional economy in many respects. Capitalism, at its rankest form, is not a humanistic economic system. It allows the most powerful to tear into the economic fabric of the least powerful. It allows people with big money to control people with no money, low money and small money in many ways including politically because the people with the money the determinant of who runs for office."
Jackson will never have a mayor like Mitch Landreiu, unless there is something similar to a Katrina in Jackson.
The hospitals would survive without Jackson, they would just move to the burbs just like every other business tired of Jackson's BS. Although, Jackson probably wouldn't survive without the hospitals.
Sorry, but had to point this out.
You couldn't be more wrong about this. Fort Worth was established in 1849 (about 8 years after Dallas). The downtown areas are about 30 to 35 miles apart which would have been close to a two day trip at the time they were established. Fort Worth in no way, shape, or form is a suburb of Dallas. It began life as a fort (obviously) on the western edge (at the time) of the settled areas of Texas. It boomed as a cattle town for the vast cattle ranches of Texas. Fort Worth was and still is a central hub for cattle coming out of Texas and going to various places around the country.
In reality, until about 30 years ago, Dallas & Fort Worth were separate and distinct cities. It has been the explosive growth of the suburbs lying between the two (Arlington, Grand Prairie, etc.) that has "meshed" the two cities into one huge metroplex.
Furthermore, there is a general animus between residents of Dallas & Fort Worth. Generally speaking, people in Dallas feel "elite" to the supposed rednecks of Cowtown (i.e. Fort Worth), while residents of Fort Worth view Dallas as a crime ridden city full of snobby elitists that think their crappy city is a beacon of virtue, wonder, etc.
If you are going to use an example to make your point, you should at least have a modicum of knowledge of your example.
You couldn't be more wrong about this. Fort Worth was established in 1849 (about 8 years after Dallas). The downtown areas are about 30 to 35 miles apart which would have been close to a two day trip at the time they were established. Fort Worth in no way, shape, or form is a suburb of Dallas. It began life as a fort (obviously) on the western edge (at the time) of the settled areas of Texas. It boomed as a cattle town for the vast cattle ranches of Texas. Fort Worth was and still is a central hub for cattle coming out of Texas and going to various places around the country.
In reality, until about 30 years ago, Dallas & Fort Worth were separate and distinct cities. It has been the explosive growth of the suburbs lying between the two (Arlington, Grand Prairie, etc.) that has "meshed" the two cities into one huge metroplex.
Furthermore, there is a general animus between residents of Dallas & Fort Worth. Generally speaking, people in Dallas feel "elite" to the supposed rednecks of Cowtown (i.e. Fort Worth), while residents of Fort Worth view Dallas as a crime ridden city full of snobby elitists that think their crappy city is a beacon of virtue, wonder, etc.
If you are going to use an example to make your point, you should at least have a modicum of knowledge of your example.
Jeff Weill (who was the previous Ward 1 City Councilman) jokingly said it would be cheaper to buy new cars for all the people that rode J-Tran than to fund J-Tran.
Let me first say that I have never lived in Jackson. I am not a "*****" but I would like to ***** a bit about some comments that have been made that seem to compare the upcoming "Lumumbanation" with the Frank Melton years. Regardless of the results I always felt that Melton's heart was in the right place. Until his actions prove otherwise, I don't see the same being said about "his mayor to be".
After seeing this, I'm afraid you'll have to look forward to "we're gonna get ours." Bennie Thompson endorsed and campaigned Lumumba. http://mspoliticalpulse.com/
Name a city where suburban sprawl with initial infrastructure collapse has, in the long run, helped the City. Better, name an instance where the suburbs were able to exist without the city. You're betting on the short-term gain. The thought that Jackson needs Flowood Drive more than Flowood Drive needs Jackson is simply incorrect.
Don't get me wrong. Those of us who are democrats, own property, pay taxes, and actively try to make Jackson better really appreciate the advice/criticism of a bunch of Republicans who moved away from the "crime."
Don't get me wrong. Those of us who are democrats, own property, pay taxes, and actively try to make Jackson better really appreciate the advice/criticism of a bunch of Republicans who moved away from the "crime."
This couldn't happen in the present economic climate, and I doubt it ever would due to our poor starting point. The emigration from Mississippi was largely because of better jobs (or any job). To flip from a 30% minority to a majority would take a massive immigration, and there just aren't the jobs to support that many people.
For the math to work, there would have to be a net migration of 2,000,000 African Americans, and there are only about 3 million people of any race in the state now. We have one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. They could come here and go on public assistance, but our social support programs rank among the worst in the country, because we are a relatively "poor" state.
On the other hand, Lamumba has said he wanted to combine Jackson and the predominately black river and Delta counties to form a free enterprise zone. Soemone on this board posted the link yesterday.
For the math to work, there would have to be a net migration of 2,000,000 African Americans, and there are only about 3 million people of any race in the state now. We have one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. They could come here and go on public assistance, but our social support programs rank among the worst in the country, because we are a relatively "poor" state.
On the other hand, Lamumba has said he wanted to combine Jackson and the predominately black river and Delta counties to form a free enterprise zone. Soemone on this board posted the link yesterday.
Oh boy you are the model Democrat. I for one am not a Republican or Democrat so you must not be talking to me.
There are to many communities to list that have been successful without a large city.
And that is your problem right there....yall are 'trying' to make Jackson better and not 'doing' anything...no action.
By saying yall are 'trying' means you are playing victim so when you fail you can say you tried. Not the first time I have heard something like this.
And its smart to move away from crime instead of moving towards it. Thanks for the laugh
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It was a vague example of a big city next to a smaller city where people commute to and from, and there is some form of teamwork between the two. If you want to get all specific on dates that the two were founded you're reading way too far into what I said.
My entire family is from Fort Worth, and everyone works in Dallas but lives in FW for the amenities it provides. How is that any different than what I'm saying but on a bigger scale? It's not a suburb but it's a little brother to Dallas. To say otherwise is insane. Ask a person where they're from and they're always going to tell you 9/10 times Dallas.
NE Fondhaven?
Can't see it. Hard to see the granola, tofu loving bohemians forming a city with the Country Club Blue Bloods.
Can't see it. Hard to see the granola, tofu loving bohemians forming a city with the Country Club Blue Bloods.
Interesting to see a city like Jackson take a bad turn like this, but then I see that West Point has done the exact opposite. Extraditing radical councilmen, and electing what seems to be a new reputable mayor.
Maybe it's because the GTA hasn't entered the "Kush Nation" yet.
Maybe it's because the GTA hasn't entered the "Kush Nation" yet.
Please explain how a persons odds of being a victim of violent crime decrease by moving from Northeast Jackson to rural Rankin County.
"Crime" is proxy for something else entirely. A woman's purse gets taken out of her car at the Kroger on I-55, and it's time to get the **** out of Jackson. A person gets kidnapped out of a new mall's parking lot, raped, and murdered, but no one, not no one, thinks that it's time to move out of Rankin county.
What the **** do you know about what I "try" to do to make Jackson better?
"Crime" is proxy for something else entirely. A woman's purse gets taken out of her car at the Kroger on I-55, and it's time to get the **** out of Jackson. A person gets kidnapped out of a new mall's parking lot, raped, and murdered, but no one, not no one, thinks that it's time to move out of Rankin county.
What the **** do you know about what I "try" to do to make Jackson better?
Seems like a person could pick any one crime in one location and compare it to a dissimilar crime in another but the real issue is how many crimes occur and of what type. Also consideration for how the city and political e force operate, in general, is worthwhile. I don't think that anyone could take crime stats by percentage or in to total and make a cohesive argument for jackson being better that any surrounding city in any category. I am surprised by the rage apparent in some jackson defenders posts when facing the facts.
That being said nothing is ever as good, or as bad, as it seems so I expect the new mayor to politic on and worry mostly about himself like most politicians with little net effect on the city...
I guess it depends on how you define "large city" and "successful" because very communities can be run well without some central area of intense economic activity.
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