Somebody pointed this out to me the other day about recruiting...

[Coach34]

we are going to lose some of these recruiting battles because of one simple thing- Dan Mullen. Why you ask?

First of all, lets drop the facade. Most of these players at every school are getting some type of illegal benefit. Money talks today. Let's look at the SEC West:

Nick Saban? Reputation + Best defensive coach in nation + Bammer's deep pockets = National Championship

Bobby Petrino, Les Miles? They got to spend money to get on top or stay there, and these guys are getting up in age. They are spending to get them in

Houston Nutt? Coaching veteran who is going to spend money because he doesnt want Mississippi to be his last job. He wants that Nebraska opportunity back

Gene Chizik? This is his last chance at a big job. He has to not only win, but he has got to make sure and win against Saban and Bammer. So this year you are seeing Auburn open up the pocketbook, and what do you know? They have a top rated recruiting class. If Chizik doesnt win big with Auburn, he is never getting a top job again.

Dan Mullen...why is he different? Mullen cant afford to take the chance of getting caught at his young age. This is not his last job. The other guys- it could very well be their last. Not with Mullen. Mullen is a couple of 8 win seasons away from getting that top job chance. So, while he is playing the game too, he cant take it to the limits of a Chizik or a Nutt or Petrino. He just cant afford to with his career.

Thats why we are getting outbid on Cam Newton (make no mistake, we bid...we just wouldnt go to the high limit table) and maybe a couple of others...

Just something to think about

 

[Coach34]

we are going to lose some of these recruiting battles because of one simple thing- Dan Mullen. Why you ask?

First of all, lets drop the facade. Most of these players at every school are getting some type of illegal benefit. Money talks today. Let's look at the SEC West:

Nick Saban? Reputation + Best defensive coach in nation + Bammer's deep pockets = National Championship

Bobby Petrino, Les Miles? They got to spend money to get on top or stay there, and these guys are getting up in age. They are spending to get them in

Houston Nutt? Coaching veteran who is going to spend money because he doesnt want Mississippi to be his last job. He wants that Nebraska opportunity back

Gene Chizik? This is his last chance at a big job. He has to not only win, but he has got to make sure and win against Saban and Bammer. So this year you are seeing Auburn open up the pocketbook, and what do you know? They have a top rated recruiting class. If Chizik doesnt win big with Auburn, he is never getting a top job again.

Dan Mullen...why is he different? Mullen cant afford to take the chance of getting caught at his young age. This is not his last job. The other guys- it could very well be their last. Not with Mullen. Mullen is a couple of 8 win seasons away from getting that top job chance. So, while he is playing the game too, he cant take it to the limits of a Chizik or a Nutt or Petrino. He just cant afford to with his career.

Thats why we are getting outbid on Cam Newton (make no mistake, we bid...we just wouldnt go to the high limit table) and maybe a couple of others...

Just something to think about

 

[Coach34]

we are going to lose some of these recruiting battles because of one simple thing- Dan Mullen. Why you ask?

First of all, lets drop the facade. Most of these players at every school are getting some type of illegal benefit. Money talks today. Let's look at the SEC West:

Nick Saban? Reputation + Best defensive coach in nation + Bammer's deep pockets = National Championship

Bobby Petrino, Les Miles? They got to spend money to get on top or stay there, and these guys are getting up in age. They are spending to get them in

Houston Nutt? Coaching veteran who is going to spend money because he doesnt want Mississippi to be his last job. He wants that Nebraska opportunity back

Gene Chizik? This is his last chance at a big job. He has to not only win, but he has got to make sure and win against Saban and Bammer. So this year you are seeing Auburn open up the pocketbook, and what do you know? They have a top rated recruiting class. If Chizik doesnt win big with Auburn, he is never getting a top job again.

Dan Mullen...why is he different? Mullen cant afford to take the chance of getting caught at his young age. This is not his last job. The other guys- it could very well be their last. Not with Mullen. Mullen is a couple of 8 win seasons away from getting that top job chance. So, while he is playing the game too, he cant take it to the limits of a Chizik or a Nutt or Petrino. He just cant afford to with his career.

Thats why we are getting outbid on Cam Newton (make no mistake, we bid...we just wouldnt go to the high limit table) and maybe a couple of others...

Just something to think about

 

[Hair of the Dawg]

but if you're bidding, you obviously don't care about getting caught. Why does it matter what you spend, you get caught giving improper benifits...amount doesn't matter.

 

[RebelShark]

he won't be putting together a couple of 8 win seasons and getting that top job with all that cheating **** going on all around him. Like taking a knife to a gun fight.

 

[Coach34]

but if you're bidding, you obviously don't care about getting caught. Why does it matter what you spend, you get caught giving improper benifits...amount doesn't matter.

Bammer giving out 200K for a defensive lineman is big news and word like that spreads. Not to mention other schools telling on you. A poor family getting 5K can be explained...a poor family with 100K suddenly- not so much

 

[TR.sixpack]

Everyone wants to seem like they have some kind of inside scoop on dirty recruiting, but when you ask them about specifics they plead the Fifth.

 

[Coach34]

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[patdog]

If Mullen isn't going to cheat in recruiting, this will damn well be has last job as a head coach.

 

[boomboommsu]

.......to not cheat at all and raise as big a stink as possible about everyone else cheating.

or, he can only reach their level by bringing their level of cheating down, not by raising his level of cheating.

what's the SEC going to do, start giving us bad calls from refs? bad TV selections? passed over by bowls (ie, Outback)? they already do that.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

seeing as how he will never even get a chance to be as successful as Stansbury.

Mullen is a couple of 8 win seasons away from getting that top job chance

8 wins in football = lower teir bowl game = first (or maybe) secondround bowout of the dance.

That sounds like a recipe for mediocrity to me. We can and should do better.

 

[OMlawdog]

Its funny how someone will make excuses for coaches they like, but will never give a coach slack that they hate.

You hated Croom, and would have never given him this kind of slack.

If Mullen is too worried about his next job instead of the job he has, shouldn't the Ninja step in? That is what you are saying is that Mullen isn't willing to do everything he can to win recruiting battles because he is worried that it may stop him from being able to take a better job. Wow. Just Wow.

Im sure you would be understanding if Croom wanted to use this as an excuse.

By the way, Im selling in bulk.</p>

 

[ckDOG]

The biggest difference between Mullen and those other guys is that he coaches at a school whose record since the Croom experiment started is a whopping 25 - 46. He may or may not be a great recruiter and he may or may not have various intangibles working for or against him, but the one sure shot aspect keeping us from putting together a Top 20 class is our history of losing.

It's simple - we start winning and we will start attracting better recruits. I know it's tough to do that when your talent is low, but that's the hand we have been dealt. We are going to need to slap together a couple 8+ win seasons by simply out coaching the opponent if we want to get the prime talent to listen to us. Even if we did have money we could recklessly toss around to buy recruits, they would still prefer to go to a winner.

 

[LR1400]

Everyone wants to seem like they have some kind of inside scoop on dirty recruiting, but when you ask them about specifics they plead the Fifth.

The numbers for Cam Newton from AU were too big to pass up.

It happens and it is true.

 

[TR.sixpack]

nm

 

[LR1400]

nm

Didn't ask and I do not think we offered. Cecil made attempts to get us to offer.

 

[Coach34]

Its funny how someone will make excuses for coaches they like, but will never give a coach slack that they hate.

You hated Croom, and would have never given him this kind of slack.

If Mullen is too worried about his next job instead of the job he has, shouldn't the Ninja step in? That is what you are saying is that Mullen isn't willing to do everything he can to win recruiting battles because he is worried that it may stop him from being able to take a better job. Wow. Just Wow.

Im sure you would be understanding if Croom wanted to use this as an excuse.

By the way, Im selling in bulk.</p>

You really think its the AD's job to step in for a coach and demand he pay more illegal money to recruits? Seriously?

 

[maroonmania]

pay rental fees on the mule while Auburn was willing to pay to purchase the mule outright.

 

[OMlawdog]

I will also put 100.00 to SixPackSpeak as well. Post it up.

Just prove it.

Do you have anything remotely close to proof? Photograph of Cam in a new car, with a licensed plate number that could be easily proven to be an AU booster. Bank records?

If you provide something that could be verified, I will gladly pay you 100.00. Of course Im sure if you have this proof, you will gladly turn it into the NCAA.

 

[OMlawdog]

You are a big fan of Jackie, do you think Jackie didn't do everything he could? Do you think Jackie was looking out for his next job?

You actually believe that the reason that Mullen is getting outbid, is because he is worried about his next job? Though I think that is crazy, if you believe it, doesn't that piss you off?

Jackie did what was necessary at MSU. I just find it interesting that you think its ok for Mullen to not try and beat out other coaches, not because he thinks its unethical or immoral, but because he is worried about his next job.

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[Coach34]

I know what Jackie did- I witnessed it.
I dont think Crooms did enough...and by the time Melvin was brought in, it was too late

and yes, I think want Mullen to do more. I'm not excusing him- i'm simply posing a theory as to what could be happening. I want Mullen to spend like he has his own printing press. I'm not excusing anything. He is accountable just like all the other coaches

 

[AshleySchaffer]

Give it a rest C34.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Melvin is still on your staff. If there is a bidding war involved, it's amazing you've been finalists on so many of these bidding wars without being able to contribute.

 

[Coach34]

I said we werent playing at the high limit table

 

[Coach34]

Mullen has2 more years to get us in a bowl before I will say anything

 

[thatsbaseball]

that Croom didn`t even know about. You just never know about these things.

 

[TR.sixpack]

nm

 

[FISHDAWG]

unbelievable !! how many of you guys REALLY believe this garbage ?

 

[shaschboy]

investigating this stuff is "bad for business". 2 years we'll see the repercussions. The NCAA will squash a sacrificial lamb, but don't expect anything big to happen to the money makers.

 

[Brahmabull]

I do know how much Cecil was asking for and I know we didn't pony up and have heard that Auburn didn't get to the limit but they obviously got high enough to satisfy. The truth of the matter is Slive is not going to let any SEC team be turned into the NCAA if he can help it and he sure as hell is going to protect the bigger money programs.

Some programs can throw six digits around to players year in and year out. Some can't.

The SEC is the biggest business in college athletics. Slive will protect the bankroll come hell or high water.

 

[shaschboy]

If you know how muchCecilwas asking for, why not spill it?
We don't have this guy anymore and what are we gonna get the wrath of Auburn forspilling the beans ontheir recruiting class? How's this gonna hurt us?Hell, what about Coleman while were at it.

It's time for somebody to speak up and lets get some real info.

 

[Coach34]

350K...and Cecil wanted us to match it and Cam would sign with us- Mullen then told him to eat a dick...we werent going near that price

 

[ckDOG]

First, I don't think cheating is necessarily non-existent in college football, but I do think that some like to exaggerate as if it is extremely high-dollar and common place. It's simply not a reasonably believable theory. I think it's more fantasy land for people that have a flair for the dramatic.

If it were so common, and the stakes are as high as some would lead you to believe, how is it that somebody with a little integrity hasn't become offended enough to run his mouth when a legion of coaches/boosters come trotting along assuming they have a price on their head? Should I buy into a conspiracy that these people are "hushed"? Or, is there some sort of secret handshake that recruits know to use when they are accepting offers as to avoid pissing off someone who isn't for sale.

I also refuse to believe there isn't anyone out that craves their 15 minutes of fame by busting the system. Surely, there is a "Chris Hansen" out there knows a gifted athlete he could use to lure a Melvin Smith or two, right?? I bet some major news outlet would love to buy that story. If it were so common, this would have happened too.

In my opinion, the only way a system of high dollar frequent cheating is in existence is if multiple massive agencies are involved in the cover-up. That would require all conferences, the NCAA, and all major news outlets. It would be literally impossible cheating of that nature to be covered up for so long. Too many people are involved and too many people would love to break the story.

Again, I acknowledge that recruiting isn't squeaky clean. There simply has to be some element of cheating and - that applies to anything in life really. However, I think you are in fantasy land if you really accept the theory that there is some underground network of pervasive cheating and the only way to succeed is to participate in it. It's just not feasible to believe that kind of a system would be kept a secret for so long.

And before anyone calls me naive, I expect your reply to include accounts of personally witnessed acts of cheating and not some random ******** account of what you've heard from a friend. By my account, your friend is an idiot too.

 

[Brahmabull]

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[jacksonreb1]

just barely winning at ole miss got the bucks... we hadn't been winning and were hamstrung with ncaa penalties(worst ever outside smu) and yet the guy won and beat some big boys. that's the mark of a seriously good coach. if mullen can win 8 at msu a couple of yrs given the hole he's started in, then he'll at least earn opportunities to move on and up. it ain't easy at either of our schools.

 

[jacksonreb1]

know his primary "conduit" is still available to coach mullen and yet you assume he's not playing the game. what am i missing here....or what are you missing....LOL

 

[shaschboy]

that there is a lot of money at stake here and people can be bought, in more ways than money.
Just ask Logan Young. Accidental death? Makes you wonder. I'm not making any statements but that whole deal was pretty disturbing up in Memphis.

You won't have your local sports writer covering it because he doesn't want to end up jobless.It's going to take some rogue outfit that is brave enough to go up against the ABC's(ESPN) of the world, and then they most likely will get squashd by the big boys.
ESPN has a lot invested in this conference and they will do whatever is necessary to keep their investment safe. I don't think anyone would argue that.

It's easier now to hand a recruit an ATM card and a PIN and let him go his way. This happened with certain "key" basketball playersat LSU, per another player that I sat next to at a MSU/LSU football game. It never traces back to the player, only the cardholder, who sets up an account with whatever amount of money is deemed "necessary".The player wouldhave to turn it over to authorities and try to say this and that, but the owner of the card could report it as stolen and the player goes down as, most likely, a thief. This is a very dirty business and I hate to tell you, it's gonna get dirtier.

 

[Crimson.sixpack]

ckDOG -- You nailed it. The same people who believe that recruiting is as corrupt as statedin this threadare the same people who believe that the SECOffice Staff and the game officials predetermine which team wins a game. They also believe that successful people are successful because they are unethical or dishonest. Holding those misconceptionsmakes their own lack of success morepalatable whether the failure isin recruiting, winning/losing games, or inlife's challenges.

 

[ckDOG]

I've considered that the big boys in the media may try to cover things up to preserve order - as you mentioned. But, I just can't let myself believe that out of the many parties involved and many parties that could potentially want to rat out the system, that it would always successfully hushed. Maybe that is the case, but I would find it very unlikely.

What really sucks that if this is truly the case and this network of cheating is a reality and is being covered up by conferences, the NCAA, the media, etc., then the day that something is, in fact, exposed and all hell breaks loose is the day MSU gets the death penalty. I'm pretty confident there would be sacrificial lambs and we would set up to be a prime candidate. We don't affect the bottom line enough to matter.

 

[shaschboy]

and not just in sports. Just look up at Washington and you an see that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I would love to see everything on an equal basis, but the only way that will happen is if you let these "goons" who accept the money go ahead and joing the NFL with minor league teams, similar to baseball. I don't think anyone think cheating would happen on the scale it does now with the NFL setting up smaller markets for minor league teams.

But the problem is that the NFL doesn't have to do that because the NCAA does it for them. If I'm an owner, I'd definitely want it to stay status quo as to avoid extra expenses that are now put on the backs of boosters of college football.