Someone with some football sense explain this about the UM hiring.

[gravedigger]

I'm not looking for the regular sixpack wit either. I'm looking for something pragmatic.

I, along with many, had this down to two choices of head coach: '

1. Name brand guy.....our definition (and hope)...another Houston Nutt....theirs.....Butch Davis, John Gruden.
2. Offensive or Defensive Coordinator phenom.....our definition.....Ron Cooper, Nix, Keoning...thiers.......OC at Oklahoma St, Boise St, Oregon, , DC from Bama, LSU.

But holy %%*@. They picked a guy whose success is at the lower level as a hc and was fired from Ole miss.

I dont get it. They recruited well when he was there. Fine.But really? this is the way to turn around a program?

We let a national champion coordinator come in, picked by a new ADand pick his people and change our philosophy of the way we had always looked at offense, and team marketing.

They kept their AD for a year, picked a former coach that was fired.

what the ever loving %%*@ is going on?

Pragmatically speaking of course.

 

[gravedigger]

I'm not looking for the regular sixpack wit either. I'm looking for something pragmatic.

I, along with many, had this down to two choices of head coach: '

1. Name brand guy.....our definition (and hope)...another Houston Nutt....theirs.....Butch Davis, John Gruden.
2. Offensive or Defensive Coordinator phenom.....our definition.....Ron Cooper, Nix, Keoning...thiers.......OC at Oklahoma St, Boise St, Oregon, , DC from Bama, LSU.

But holy %%*@. They picked a guy whose success is at the lower level as a hc and was fired from Ole miss.

I dont get it. They recruited well when he was there. Fine.But really? this is the way to turn around a program?

We let a national champion coordinator come in, picked by a new ADand pick his people and change our philosophy of the way we had always looked at offense, and team marketing.

They kept their AD for a year, picked a former coach that was fired.

what the ever loving %%*@ is going on?

Pragmatically speaking of course.

 

[weblow]

Hugh Freeze getting a raise from $270,000 to 1.5 mil before incentives. The entire thing is amazing to me.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

it came with a "HUGE" payday. The bears still owe Nutts $6M, and did not want to have to go north of $3.5 to get an experienced hire.Even then people are not standing in line to take the job. Secondly, other coaches know that this is not a quick turnaround. TSUN has fan base issues, personnel issues, and talent issues. At least when Mullen came to MSU the fans were united. TSUN cannot say this, and a blind man can see that an attitude adjustment is what most of the team needs. They NEED a man like Croom that will do what is needed to suspend or dismiss trouble makers and pave the way for the next coach. I do not know if Freeze is the man to do that like Croom did. I was not and am not a Croom lover, but he made Mullen's job easier by getting rid of dead weight and trouble makers.

 

[OzarkaNSW]

Who the hell are you to say this is a piss poor hire? The kid coached at Briarcrest...Briarcrest!!! Everyheard of them? They're in Memphis. Michael Oher...ever heard of him? A product of Hugh Freeze. Who'd you want them to hire? Grow up Peter Pan, Count Chocula. The best they could have gotten with ol Barchie Manning running the show.</p>

 

[drt7891]

I feel like they are trying to mimic our "success" with a new young head coach... but I posted earlier that until UM get's new leadership and builds an athletic department from the top down, they won't have much noteworthy to talk about. They have a lame duck AD that doesn't give a **** about their fans nor wants to make a coaching hire and a Chancellor that doesn't want any hurt feelings and until AT LEAST Boone is gone, no one will rally around Freeze. I imagine most of their fans are rather frustrated right now. No fans have any reason to rally around him because essentially their Athletic Department avoided this hire and most coaches probably won't go to a school with this much uncertainty as it pertains to leadership. <div>
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[shsdawg]

who knows. I really think though, he was about all they could get. I think the lame duck AD and the totally split fanbasehurt bad. One more thought: He was there with the O. Think he might know where some of the bodies are buried, and might be ready to bury a few more?

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

by all of the coveted candidates.

Freeze was in the Freezer waiting, and thus he is the coach.

Situation wise, this was similar to the Orgeron hire... but I think a better hire than O.

 

[drt7891]

People can knock Doc all they want, but he is the sole reason our university is where it is, and this includes athletics. Doc saw that LT hadn't done **** nor cared to do **** and saw a need to show him the door, and did. He brought in a young guy who started off immediately making a baseball hire that fans really liked... and boosted his stock.<div>
</div><div>UM fans don't trust their administration, and rightfully so. If I were a fan, I sure wouldn't. We are united because our administration saw and understood the need we had for change, and made it... and thank Doc for that. Dan Jones is so scared to hurt people's feelings, he STILL continues to stand by Pete Boone. Until their administration gives fans a reason to trust them, they will NEVER be united, much less stand by this hire. </div>

 

[gravedigger]

Namely: Sexton + failing to run off boone and get someone innovative to do the hiring.

Sexton must feel like a death row inmate and Carrie Underwood just got named his cell mate. </p>

 

[onewoof]

And Freeze was involved with Oher's "adoption"<div>
</div><div>It's about getting the best players there no matter what it takes.</div>

 

[gdogg]

nm</p>

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Boone had nothing to do with the hire.
Sexton was only involved in pricing.

 

[weblow]

On this coaching search then you are a dipshit. Boone is one of the main causes of the problems at ole miss. Without him there are no forward rebels and the fan base is not fractured like it is now.

There were candidates that were not even interested in interviewing because of Boone still around and the simple fact that they would not even know who their boss is until some time in the next calendar year.

Boone had a large impact on this hire and the state of e program.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

you are full of ****!

He would have taken a hands off position in this situation.

 

[gravedigger]

think.

 

[the next big thing]

Who the hell are you to say this is a piss poor hire? The kid coached at Briarcrest...Briarcrest!!! Everyheard of them? They're in Memphis. Michael Oher...ever heard of him? A product of Hugh Freeze. Who'd you want them to hire? Grow up Peter Pan, Count Chocula. The best they could have gotten with ol Barchie Manning running the show</p>

???????????

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

is that Pete had nothing to do with this hire.

I do think OM has put themselves in this situation over time. It did not just happen.
And yes, Pete was part of the problem.
Bad hires, and hard to deal with at times.

A delusional fan base was also a major issue for them.

 

[AssEndDawg]

People can knock Doc all they want,<span style="font-weight: bold;"> but he is the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">sole</span> reason our university is where it is</span>, and this includes athletics.

Are you high? The guy deserves some credit for making some of the hard choices that we didn't want to make before, but I think part of that was easy for him because he was such a narcissistic prick that he simply didn't care about anyone but himself. Doc helped us a lot, and he deserves some credit, but Scott, Dan, Greg B. and our alumni deserve a lot of credit as well for us being where we are right now.

 

[rabiddawg]

don't forget this egomaninac is still running everything from behind the curtain

 

[drt7891]

nm

 

[patdog]

They could have gotten some bigger names interested in the job, but once they found out what UM was willing to pay, that would have been the end of that. They're paying $3M per year for the next 4 years as it is (split 50-50 between Nutt and Freeze). For $1.5 per year, Freeze was probably about as good as they could get. Looks like they're going real cheap on assistants too.

 

[NapoleonDynamite]

I think the Archie Committee was given a limited budget and told "Find what you can." No matter what they say, they don't have the money (or Dickie Scruggs) to pay a high salary until Nutt and company are off the books.

On top of that, no established coach, who could look at the other 18 vacancies around the country, was going to jump into this mess without a solid AD in place to back them up while they clean house and go through some lean times.

 

[coursesuper]

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[LightninInside]

You should have been a fly on the wall in their chatroom when it was announced on Sunday night. The chatlog my friend sent me is somethin else. No matter how they spin it, many of their fans expected much more out of AM.

 

[AssEndDawg]

therefore anything decent that happens from this point forward is due to me taking that crap. This is essentially your logic. Sorry, but correlation does not imply causation. Doc deserves credit for getting rid of LT and for telling Polk to stuff it. Past that the people involved deserve the credit for their own actions. To act as if LT would have been here forever without Doc is asinine.

 

[perch0]

I feel like they are trying to mimic our "success" with a new young head coach... but I posted earlier that until UM get's new leadership and builds an athletic department from the top down, they won't have much noteworthy to talk about. They have a lame duck AD that doesn't give a **** about their fans nor wants to make a coaching hire and a Chancellor that doesn't want any hurt feelings and until AT LEAST Boone is gone, no one will rally around Freeze. I imagine most of their fans are rather frustrated right now. No fans have any reason to rally around him because essentially their Athletic Department avoided this hire and most coaches probably won't go to a school with this much uncertainty as it pertains to leadership. <div>
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Once again thanks, Doc.

 

[RebelBruiser]

That's not at all true. They were told to find a candidate, and they were not given any budget or salary numbers to work with or work against. It was really a 2 man committee, and they were given the freedom and leeway to go after whoever they wanted.

I know this for a fact.

 

[drt7891]

and showed LT the door (just the door of the ADs office). So what you are saying is if Doc wasn't here, or didn't have anything to do with where we are now, everything would have still panned out the way it did? Hell no... LT wasn't about to get rid of Croom after the 2008 season. So by your logic everything would have panned out exactly the way it did WITH Doc making changes and LT would have just willingly stepped down, letting Byrne fill his shoes and run the department as he wished while LT sat in his pretty new office by the cafeteria? Are you kidding? LT would have either found his own predecessor and he'd still be running the show or LT would still be here. That means Raffo would be our baseball coach, even though Croom probably wouldn't be here, Mullen sure as HELL wouldn't be, no jumbotron, no excitement around our athletics, and probably no bowl games since the Liberty Bowl. <div>
</div><div>Doc was anarcissisticasshole... I'm not denying that... but to say he only deserves a small bit of credit for things panning out the way the did is stupid. He forced LT out as AD and appointed the guy he thought was best for the job... Greg Byrne. He also did a lot of other good things while he was here like boosting enrollment and stepping on toes to change the direction of the entire university. He deserves a lot of credit for where we are now. </div>

 

[DerHntr]

I'd hate to see you clammering for excuses for Archie's 2 man committee if it doesn't work out.

 

[Foronce]

The are fixing to pay to play "the game"

save money on coach. check
get a 'yes' man. check
can he coach. well he went 10-2 as head coach at ark st
we will get him the players don't you worry

i predict probation in 3 years.

 

[weblow]

I am not saying that Pete meddled in the hiring process. I am saying the fact that he is still in the AD position instead of retiring immediately had a large impact on the coaches that were interested in even interviewing.

Pete is a dipshit and should have shown himself the door instead of announcing a retirement that won't happen for a year. At least that is what any sane person in his position would have done that gave a damn about the current state of the athletic department.

I think you knowing Pete personally may be clouding your judgement on this.

 

[maroonmania]

of our forward progress. Byrne doesn't have the job if Doc Fogelsong doesn't hire him.

 

[OxpatchReb]

I'll gut that mother 17er like roadkill, hang him up, skin him down, burn his carcass into a pile of ashes and snort every last molecule of his worthless remains while his wife and kids watch.

 

[DerHntr]

[No message]

 

[gravedigger]

but thanks for the laugh