Actual Wins are what matter, not manufactured stats to try to make you feel better.
SP+ projections for WVU/BIG 12
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Holgorsen may be available in year 2 or 3 of Houston's big 12 stint. He has already proven he is nothing more than an average power 5 coach. Even last season he was 2-2 against the best 4 teams he played. Wvu and the rest of the big 12 except for maybe early season Kansas would have had 9 guaranteed wins playing Houston's schedule.
all you have to do is just win just ask Baylor and Oklahoma State. Ask Texas and Iowa State How much preseason Hype matters when you lose
All I have to ask is Neal Brown how much WVU is winning since he arrived. Not much at all--worst coaching effort since the 1950's at WVU.
Here is SPORTS REFERENCE ranking of WVU coaches all time (21 coaches)
Here is SPORTS REFERENCE ranking of WVU coaches all time (21 coaches)
21 Coaches
- W-L-T record at West Virginia
| Rk | Coach | From | To | Yrs | G | W | L | T | Pct | G | W | L | T | Pct | Notes |
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| Rk | Coach | From | To | Yrs | G | W | L | T | Pct | G | W | L | T | Pct | Notes |
| 1 | Don Nehlen | 1980 | 2000 | 21 | 246 | 149 | 93 | 4 | .614 | 13 | 4 | 9 | 0 | .308 | |
| 2 | Dana Holgorsen | 2011 | 2018 | 8 | 102 | 61 | 41 | 0 | .598 | 7 | 2 | 5 | 0 | .286 | |
| 3 | Rich Rodriguez | 2001 | 2007 | 7 | 86 | 60 | 26 | 0 | .698 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 0 | .400 | |
| 4 | Art Lewis | 1950 | 1959 | 10 | 98 | 58 | 38 | 2 | .602 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | .000 | |
| 5 | Rat Rogers | 1925 | 1945 | 9 | 83 | 44 | 31 | 8 | .578 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 6 | Bobby Bowden | 1970 | 1975 | 6 | 68 | 42 | 26 | 0 | .618 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | .500 | |
| 7 | Clarence Spears | 1921 | 1924 | 4 | 38 | 30 | 6 | 3 | .808 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | |
| 8 | Gene Corum | 1960 | 1965 | 6 | 61 | 29 | 30 | 2 | .492 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | .000 | |
| 9 | Bill Stewart | 2007 | 2010 | 4 | 40 | 28 | 12 | 0 | .700 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | .500 | |
| 10 | Jim Carlen | 1966 | 1969 | 4 | 41 | 25 | 13 | 3 | .646 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | |
| 11 | Mont McIntire | 1916 | 1920 | 4 | 39 | 24 | 11 | 4 | .667 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 12 | Bill Kern | 1940 | 1947 | 5 | 48 | 24 | 23 | 1 | .510 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 13 | Neal Brown | 2019 | 2021 | 3 | 35 | 17 | 18 | 0 | .486 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | .500 | |
| 14 | Frank Cignetti | 1976 | 1979 | 4 | 44 | 17 | 27 | 0 | .386 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 15 | Trusty Tallman | 1934 | 1936 | 3 | 29 | 15 | 12 | 2 | .552 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 16 | Marshall Glenn | 1937 | 1939 | 3 | 29 | 14 | 12 | 3 | .534 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | |
| 17 | Dudley DeGroot | 1948 | 1949 | 2 | 23 | 13 | 9 | 1 | .587 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | |
| 18 | Greasy Neale | 1931 | 1933 | 3 | 31 | 12 | 16 | 3 | .435 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 19 | Sol Metzger | 1914 | 1915 | 2 | 16 | 10 | 5 | 1 | .656 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 20 | C.A. Lueder | 1909 | 1909 | 1 | 9 | 4 | 3 | 2 | .556 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 21 | Edwin Sweetland | 1913 | 1913 | 1 | 9 | 3 | 4 | 2 | .444 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Winning percentage is a better indicator in most cases than actual wins. Holgorsen was only at wvu for 8 years because nobody wanted him. Big time programs don't like coach's that choke in November. He was lucky to have a friend in Houston that got him the job. He self-demoted because he knew the bottom was about to fall out.
Spelling police AND “penis” posting monitor.
How do you have time to do anything else during the day?
How do you have time to do anything else during the day?
LMAO...No it wont...biggest bunch of horseshit I have ever read.
Please tell how a bogus preseason ranking affects those three things...I will wait.
No one says- Nick Saban or anyone else had a great “ winning percentage”. Rather, they go down in the history books for ACTUAL WINS.
And actual wins are something that Neal Brown is not delivering to WVU at anywhere near the level of the previous staff or really anyone else going back to the 40’s Edit*. Outside the equally bad Frank Cignetti who coached a few Brown like seasons and was let go in the late 70’s.
Denying that the last staff brought significant success to the WVU football program while also facing the most difficult schedules is simply lying for lyings sake.
And actual wins are something that Neal Brown is not delivering to WVU at anywhere near the level of the previous staff or really anyone else going back to the 40’s Edit*. Outside the equally bad Frank Cignetti who coached a few Brown like seasons and was let go in the late 70’s.
Denying that the last staff brought significant success to the WVU football program while also facing the most difficult schedules is simply lying for lyings sake.
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Preseason rankings carry with teams throughout every season- sometimes through the end. SP+ is considered by those ranking teams in the pre season and throughout the season and will factor in to where you finish in the rankings.
if you are considered a scrub program as Neal Brown has made WVU, you wont be attractive to quality recruits or good players already at your school.
If you LOSE more than win, as Brown does, the fanbase will dwindle and so will donations and support to the program until change is made.
if you are considered a scrub program as Neal Brown has made WVU, you wont be attractive to quality recruits or good players already at your school.
If you LOSE more than win, as Brown does, the fanbase will dwindle and so will donations and support to the program until change is made.
No name running back by commitee? We have a pretty good RB in the program and 3 guys with experience
It has already killed our TV placement so bad we have 3 marquee weeknight games.
Lol. Three guys with a total of under 300 yards and nearly half coming in the no name bowl game. Dream on.
Good point--equally bad, maybe a little worse. Both have at least two five win only regular seasons back to back at WVU (Brown of course was gifted a bowl due to Covid cancelling sure losses). Both managed 17 wins for WVU--took Cignetti four seasons to get there, Brown 3, but Cignetti was coach no more after 4.
Brown is at #13 and Cignetti at #14 for ranked WVU coaches-so we'll amend that one other coach in the 70's was as bad as Neal Brown, but other than that you have to go back to actually BEFORE the 1950's into the 40's and way earlier to find such a lousy job performance.
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Spears coached from 1921-1924 * corrected. at WVU--comes in at #7, well ahead of Neal Brown in all time WVU coaching rankings.
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Well, 3 weeknight games anyway. Don't know that any major program considers weeknight games "marquee". Besides those schedule changes were announced prior to the SP+ rankings, not after. The Big Ten refused to play any weeknight games for a number of years, and you'll rarely see top programs playing in those games. 3:30 and 7:30 Saturdays are the preferred slots.
Idiot. Doc Spears was only here until 1924.
Played those power house teams of WV Weslyan, Marietta, Gonzaga, Allegheny, Marshall, Saint Louis, Geneva, Centre College, Bethany...
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Talk about an idiot. A typo 1944 rather than 1924 and you guessed it the resident troll throws a hissy fit.
Spears still performed better in his four years than the horrid Brown and is ranked 7spots higher in all time rankings of WVU coaches.
Spears still performed better in his four years than the horrid Brown and is ranked 7spots higher in all time rankings of WVU coaches.
Your historical coaches thread has ZERO respones....
Take that as a hint that people are tired of your Dana ********... okay...
Take that as a hint that people are tired of your Dana ********... okay...
NEWS FLASH
This just in: Ohio State is no longer considered a top program in college football. The Buckeyes dropped from the upper class in the sport due to playing their 2021 season opener on Thursday September 2, 2021. Thanks for setting everyone straight. I’m sure “king of nothing” will be here to straighten you out.
Clemson fans are feeling the same pain since they too played on a Friday night last year too.
That’s two programs that via for the playoffs every year. Major disappointment for both those schools.
Ahhh, but more than 100 people and growing have viewed it havent they.
Tells me two things: Some like me are interested in WVU historical facts. Others like you don’t want anyone realizing your LIES are just that— meaningless babbling from radical trolls trying to paint a false narrative about WVU football For an agenda.
Hmm so you are saying if you EVER play on a weeknight then you aren’t a major program. Whereas I stated - and clearly at that a weeknight game isn’t necessarily a “ marquee” game per major programs And they rarely- notice I didn’t say “ never”, but “ rarely”-play them. Pretty sure you’ll find the Ohio State/ Clemson type midweek games are extremely rare, and when they are played are not their “ marquee” games- just games that were fit in a time slot. WVU is now having to play some of its top games weeknight. You wont see Ohio State/Clemson or such doing that.
Plus the point remains even though you don’t address that— This Change in WVUs schedule came about before the SP+ ratings.
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Why should anyone care about a poll that ranks teams 7 months before the season begins? With several more schools loosing or gaining players who leave after spring practice and during the summer, who knows how a team’s roster will look like. Let alone how a billionaire may just open his wallet and buy a couple dozen players and change a school’s roster in a weeks time.
The people that MADE the poll obviously believe it matters, as do those ranking schools all throughout the season. I'm sure the various gambling operations care. Undoubtedly players considering programs also do. Ask them why it matters
Your logic is faulty.
You SHOULD really be complaining about the firing/loss of Bill Stewart, which according to your own stats and your criteria should have never been fired being the best coach WVU has really ever had - using win-loss records. Thus, Dana should never have been here.
I've yet to see you, using the criteria you hold most dear, to defend Bill. With you, its only Dana this and Dana that. If you're going to be consistent in your arguments, you need to jump off the Dana bandwagon and get on board the Bill train and educate this board about how Dana should have never have been here in the first place.
And the spelling police strikes again. Are you just getting lost in the conversation and that is all you can contribute?
It helps your position to spell correctly and not sound like a middle school dropout.
You are talking about yourself right there...correct? What ******* false narrative is this board putting out there douchebag?
I will wait? Just because we dont all slurp the cokehead like you, that isn't a false narrative.
LOL...it's what queenie does best...since he lost two of his assclowns, he had to find someone to suck on.
Its amazing how the clown trolls here try to derail every post because their egos don't like when facts counter their nonsense.
WVU football is in deep trouble. So is basketball for that matter. Actual fans want those situations improved. Trolls want to derail threads where WVU fans discuss anything except the trolls. Just sad.
WVU football is in deep trouble. So is basketball for that matter. Actual fans want those situations improved. Trolls want to derail threads where WVU fans discuss anything except the trolls. Just sad.