Spin 101

[esplanade91]

Your 5th year coach only beat a 2nd year coach = a 1st year coach is playing for the SEC title this weekend.

We only lost because Freeze inherited a terrible roster, but when he finally gets his own players he'll win the SEC = Mullen inherited a roster with less talent across the board and is just now getting "his guys" onto the field. The fact that we've been able to field any kind of offensive line over the last couple of years is incredible.

MSU only recruits players from Mississippi because they aren't attractive on a national level. Mississippi only really produces 10-15 SEC level athletes every year. Other than that they are poaching players from U of Memphis and USM. = 3 of the last 4 starting QB's at MSU were not from Mississippi. In the last couple of years, Memphis has produced more 1st round picks (1) than them. Ole Miss will in fact start a poached USM player next season. To boot, Ole Miss is in every high school history book in the US for the wrong reasons... still not attractive on a national level and likely will never be.

You were wanting to fire your coach wednesday and now you want to give him a raise for beating us. #littlebrother lolz = MSU improved after every game this season and handed two teams now playing for their conference titles their toughest games of the year, all while playing without the starting safety, both of last year's corners, our "top 2" defensive linemen, our 1st string and in 2 1/2 our 2nd string QB, all of our TE's at some point (had to burn a shirt in the 8th game of the year), and a couple serviceable backups like Bohanna. If Mullen had lost to Ole Miss he would have shown me he floundered, and if we're not going to set ourselves up to win big in the next couple of seasons I would have liked to have looked elsewhere. I'm happy with what we have minus some assistants now, and he gave me a reason to believe that.

Yall wanted it more. LSU is our real rival. = You got out-coached and out-played, but admitting that would negate how important getting 5 star players is to your team's future... because aside from Chris Jones it was done by "scrubs." I'm from LSU country and my best friend is from an LSU family that ended up sending 2 of their daughters to Ole Miss. LSU is as much of Ole Miss' rival as Alabama or Auburn is ours. I think they need to reflect on what it means to be in a conference. All 13 other teams are your rivals. I hate Auburn with the power of 1000 suns, but Ole Miss is our "rival" for a billion reasons... on both sides. LSU has a 4' tall gold plated trophy for their Arkansas game, and according to said friend's family they HATE Arkansas, but Arkansas is horrible right now so how are they suppose to care about that game? Then LSU has Alabama which is probably the BIGGEST game every season, and then their permanent opponent is Florida which usually means something. Somehow is Ole Miss is suppose to be their "rival"? Makes sense. Maybe we should have a trophy created for the UK game, because apparently that's all it takes. Take care of MSU and Vandy before you can get on LSU's level.

I mean, are we this bad? We spin some stuff but damn...


ETA: We're obsessed for discussing such a subject.

 

[Digging dog]

Spin 101
Your 5th year coach only beat a 2nd year coach = a 1st year coach is playing for the SEC title this weekend.

Fishwater approves.

 

[dawgstudent]

Here's the other thing. The spin this week is that Ole miss sites have said they recruit nationally. We should spin this to say that they think they can't win with recruiting Mississippi players. Ole miss is too good to recruit Mississippi.

 

[coach66]

You have to give them credit in the spin department, they are relentless in

putting us down.

 

[esplanade91]

I never took Mullen recruiting Mississippi to mean anything other than not allowing 1st round picks to slip through his fingers and land at Memphis, USM, Tulane, Troy, or UAB... schools in our region that occasionally produce a starting NFL player. I can name a stud from each one of those schools from the last 10 years that would be an all-time great at both MSU and Ole Miss had they gone there. It happens. I'd like for it to stop. It's funny considering that their best player from the last 10 years was a 2 star from Tennessee with a foot in the door at Chattanooga (Willie). I say best and I'm sure everyone is going to be like "Oh, what about Eli?!", but Eli isn't in the discussion for the best at his position at the next level. Willis is considered the #1 LB by a lot of people.

 

[Digging dog]

The part about them not is not being a rival and that they have a hard time getting up for our game is what I can't understand. Mullen's 1st year win that kept them from going to a VERY nice bowl. Instead they were back in the Cotton. They claws we were not their rival. That is pure BS. They had a good team and was clearly let down by the loss.

 

[esplanade91]

Well if you ask one of them they'll tell you that win they win the Egg Bowl they only get relief and feel no pride. To that I say bull, because you rushed the field last year and I heard how awesome Ole Miss was for a year... and before that you were 3 years younger and both teams were garbage.

 

[AlCoDog]

Remeber their party line at that point? Nutt didn't understand the imprtance of the rivalry because Arkansas didn't have another school to share the state with! These people are pathetic.

 

[MStateFan22]

I like how Ole Miss fans talk about how bad we are and make fun of our win list.

Alcorn, Troy, BG, UK, Arky, and cough cough Ole Miss.

 

[Tin Cup Cowboy]

HA - you don't know how this works!


The answer by them to the question about Willis would be as follows: "That was in the early days of recruiting sites. Yancy/Chuck/Ben are all much more accurate now."

 

[BigMotherTucker]

#WinTheSpin!

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

This is a perfect example of why sometimes I am really glad

that I am not in Mississippi anymore and have to hear this line of Rebel rationalization.

You got beat. Live with it. They should look at the young talent they have and move on.

I think they are more pissed that we were in the ******* and beat them than they actually lost to "State" in spite of the Freezus Jesus plan and 'cruitin' championships.

 

[drummerdawg]

I haven't heard the bears brag about beating lsu in a while. Its all been they are upset with the MSU loss. Last year they weren't this upset about losing to lsu, but they were pretty damn excited to beat State.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

They are relevant in their own minds. I'm sure the nationally prominent programs are shaking in fear...

 

[Dawgtini]

+1

 

[GetReal.sixpack]

It goes both ways. State and Ole Miss spin the same amount. It's always been that way and it always will be. Move on.

 

[HiLo.sixpack]

Same amount of spin??

It goes both ways. State and Ole Miss spin the same amount. It's always been that way and it always will be. Move on.

State & Ole Miss spin same amount? Now that's a good one.

 

[jb1020]

Good point, I think they become more obnoxious when we beat them

Preseason and early in the season all you hear is hear is how all their players are top notch and they'll likely compete for the West.

Then after we beat them, its full on spin and excuses.

Maybe we're the ones that should get no joy in beating them?

 

[BiscuitEater]

Well, ...

It goes both ways. State and Ole Miss spin the same amount. It's always been that way and it always will be. Move on.

please explain; 'cause NO, it doesn't go both ways. Ask any State fan 'who' they consider their 'real rival' and the answer 99.9% of the time is TSUN.

Ask a reb and most will say State but there is a large group that will tell you that LSU is their rival BECAUSE deep down, they don't consider themselves equal in any shape, form of fashion to Mississippi State even after getting beat 4 out of the last 5 years.

There is a OM fan that I work with that insists that LSU is their 'real' rival BUT he didn't even show up for work until today and is still 'hungover' after the loss last Thursday!

 

[Digging dog]

Pretty simple.
They win "we won the rivalry".
We win "LSU is our real rival".

 

[uptowndawg]

^^^ Poor attempt at spin

Must not have passed the subject Spin 101 class.

 

[esplanade91]

I think there's this fall sense that LSU is their real rival because of the legendary LSU/UM game where Archie threw something like 600 yards but lost on a kickoff/punt/turnover of some sort. That was one of the best games ever played, but so was the OU/Boise State game... I don't see Boise State claiming that OU is their damned rival from hell.

Everything goes back to the 50's and 60's when Ole Miss WAS a nationally known program. Those people are now grandparents and tell the only people who will listen to them still how awesome Ole Miss is in their minds, entirely based on those 15-20 years. Forget the fact that anyone you work with or even their children have ever witnessed Ole Miss do anything spectacular. That's irrelevant. IN 1969 THEY ALMOST WON THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, MAN!

If you're not from Mississippi, the square sucks. And the people who aren't from Mississippi who go to Ole Miss who say it doesn't suck are the people who would rather live and go to school in Austin, TX but didn't get in. I love the square, but compared to where I'm from it's an adult Disney World. If I was from a state not made up of 3,000,000 people I probably wouldn't.

 

[KurtRambis4]

You've got

to hand it to their marketing department. It does a phenomenal job at putting out propaganda.

 

[dawgman42]

Ole Miss will in fact start a poached USM player next season.

Wallace will be a senior next year, so Alford won't be starting.

 

[Hanmudog]

It goes both ways. State and Ole Miss spin the same amount. It's always been that way and it always will be. Move on.

Bull17ingshit. No one. I repeat. No one....spins as much as Ole Miss.

When we lost last year, State fans were pissed at Mullen and our players for playing and coaching like crap. We did not start fabricating ***-tastic excuses for why we lost just to placate our fragile egos.

 

[oldawg]

I don't get it. Who cares what they say, think, or do? I'm really, really happy that they are miserable.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

This quite frankly is a load of bullsh*t. Everything about OM is propaganda and spin. Best trees, best women, best campus, only 1 rivalry. We are better than you and on and on.

It takes a full time spin machine to convince yourselves you arent woefully average.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

well, technically...

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Ask a reb and most will say State but there is a large group that will tell you that LSU is their rival BECAUSE deep down, they don't consider themselves equal in any shape, form of fashion to Mississippi State even after getting beat 4 out of the last 5 years.
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They aren't really our equal, 4 out of 5 and all.

 

[rem101]

MSU only recruits players from Mississippi because they aren't attractive on a national level. Mississippi only really produces 10-15 SEC level athletes every year. Other than that they are poaching players from U of Memphis and USM. = 3 of the last 4 starting QB's at MSU were not from Mississippi. In the last couple of years, Memphis has produced more 1st round picks (1) than them. Ole Miss will in fact start a poached USM player next season. To boot, Ole Miss is in every high school history book in the US for the wrong reasons... still not attractive on a national level and likely will never be.

well, over the 5 year period mullen has been here, that's enough people to have a 2 deep of quality SEC players and win 80% of the time we play them. Before our out of state players such as Dak.

 

[RebelAlumnus]

Some of your points don't make any sense.

Mullen inherited a roster with less talent across the board and is just now getting "his guys" onto the field. The fact that we've been able to field any kind of offensive line over the last couple of years is incredible.

Current NFL players Mullen inherited: Gabe Jackson, Dixon, Cox, Banks, Lawrence, Sherrod, White, Wright. That's two first round talents on the OL. We'll see how many from the 2012 Ole Miss team make it eventually, but I would bet it won't be near that amount. None made it from last year and the only possibilities I see right now (that Freeze inherited) are C.J., Mathers, Gross, Prewitt, Golson, and MAYBE Bryant, though CJ is the only likely one to make it out of that group. The rest of the potential NFL players are guys he brought in (committed after his hiring).

3 of the last 4 starting QB's at MSU were not from Mississippi. In the last couple of years, Memphis has produced more 1st round picks (1) than them. Ole Miss will in fact start a poached USM player next season. To boot, Ole Miss is in every high school history book in the US for the wrong reasons... still not attractive on a national level and likely will never be.

Ole Miss hasn't started a QB from Mississippi since Seth Adams in 2007. See how silly that sounds? State has 63 players from MS on the roster, Ole Miss has 47. We have recently pulled top players from Georgia, Florida, Illinois, and Texas. During the Orgeron years we pulled highly rated kids from California, Louisiana, Florida, and Georgia. You make zero points about how Ole Miss isn't capable of recruiting nationally other than some irrelevant comment about the 1960s.

You were wanting to fire your coach wednesday and now you want to give him a raise for beating us #littlebrother lolz

Then you prove this with "If Mullen had lost to Ole Miss he would have shown me he floundered" and "I'm happy with what we have minus some assistants now, and he gave me a reason to believe that." All based on the Ole Miss game. You ruined your own point.

LSU is as much of Ole Miss' rival as Alabama or Auburn is ours. LSU has a 4' tall gold plated trophy for their Arkansas game, and according to said friend's family they HATE Arkansas

Rivalries are about more than trophies, but since you justify LSU-ARK rivalry by talking about their trophy, HEY we have one with LSU, too. Rivalries are about dislike for each other, and I'll admit the LSU-OM rivalry hatred is more from the Ole Miss side than LSU, similar to the Egg Bowl rivalry hatred being more from MSU than Ole Miss. Just as your LSU friends say they hate Arkansas, I have LSU friends who say they hate Ole Miss. Y'all are no doubt our natural rivals and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. But I would still rather beat LSU and lose to you every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I mean, are we this bad?

Sure you are, you just don't see it that way. Its worse on ED.

 

[RebelAlumnus]

I think there's this fall sense that LSU is their real rival because of the legendary LSU/UM game where Archie threw something like 600 yards but lost on a kickoff/punt/turnover of some sort. That was one of the best games ever played, but so was the OU/Boise State game... I don't see Boise State claiming that OU is their damned rival from hell.

You just combined two different games, from two different decades, against two different teams.

If you're not from Mississippi, the square sucks. And the people who aren't from Mississippi who go to Ole Miss who say it doesn't suck are the people who would rather live and go to school in Austin, TX but didn't get in.

I love the square

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Well if you ask one of them they'll tell you that win they win the Egg Bowl they only get relief and feel no pride. To that I say bull, because you rushed the field last year and I heard how awesome Ole Miss was for a year... and before that you were 3 years younger and both teams were garbage.

That's all you need to know about how they really feel. Current students at least. Denial sucks.

 

[dawgstudent]

I've never been told to die in a fire by any other fanbase except Ole Miss. The hatred is there from y'all. Y'all are just too cool to admit it.

And I think beating Ole Miss had more to do with us getting to 6 wins than just beating Ole Miss. To me, 5-7 is a whole lot of difference than 6-6. But the fact it was Ole Miss that got us to 6 wins this season was the cherry on top.

 

[tommyboy1520]

For what it's worth RV, I'd rather beat LSU and lose to Ole Miss every day of the week and twice on Sunday, too. We haven't beaten them in almost 15 years, and for MSU, a win over LSU is far more an accomplishment than a win over OM any day. And while I'm thinking about it, I'd trade the egg bowl right now for a win over Bama 3 weeks ago. While I never want to lose to Ole Miss, I look forward to LSU, Bama and Arkansas at the start of every season before I give the first thought to ole miss. While I know they exist, i don't personally know one single State fan who only cares about beating Ole Miss year in and year out. I certainly don't. Maybe if you guys were a traditional big-time program I would. But you're not, so i don't.

 

[Tin Cup Cowboy]

So according to your company line, this means you should win more, correct?

hatred is more from the Ole Miss side than LSU

I mean, that is what we are being told regarding our feelings about the Egg Bowl.

 

[FlabLoser]

Here's the other thing. The spin this week is that Ole miss sites have said they recruit nationally. We should spin this to say that they think they can't win with recruiting Mississippi players. Ole miss is too good to recruit Mississippi.

Good point.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

We get it. You are nationally relevant and feared, and somehow better than a team that you have a losing record to over the last 25 years. Keep fighting the good fight, you are almost there...

 

[o_1984Dawg]

I doubt it would take much digging to find dozens of posts from a year ago about how they rushed the field because they were bowl eligible and that it had nothing to do with beating State.

And I'm wondering how many consecutive games Mullen has to win for us to be allowed to alter our opinion of him. This isn't baseball or basketball. We have 12 games. 2 games is 19.83% of our schedule. We won one game as a slight road favorite and one as a slight home dog. They had that exact same opportunity. Can you imagine how high they'd be flying right now if they'd beaten Missouri and us? They'd be offering up their first born to Freeze.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

It goes both ways. State and Ole Miss spin the same amount. It's always been that way and it always will be. Move on.

^^I just about fell out of my chair laughing after reading this. ^^

These people don't even realize the amount of fantasy that is pumped out by their spin doctor's. They do a ******* fantastic job of trying to make you think they are something that they are not.

If life was a contest of perceived image and expectations, they win hands down.

The funny thing to me is that they actually make themselves believe they are better than us in every aspect. Yet, they have nothing to back that assumption up. Nothing at all. Records and success in all three sports point our way. All they have is perception and they feed off that like ticks on a tampon.

They can't live up to their expectations and go shoulder to shoulder with the "big boys" in the SEC, so they resort to trying to produce an image that they are better than Mississippi State. "At least we are better than the other SEC school in Mississippi". But that's all it is... it's an image that makes these egotistical maniacs somehow feel better about themselves.

It has to be a sad life to constantly fall short of your expectations. And as far as I'm concerned, they can rot in hell.

 

[Arloguthrie]

I can only speak for myself, but I would almost always rather beat MSU than LSU. Maybe I'm different because I didn't grow up an Ole Miss fan and therefore wasn't a UM fan when the LSU rivalry was supposedly bigger than MSU. Also this preference could change dependent upon the circumstances, such as if we had beaten MSU a few years in a row but had a losing streak to LSU, maybe. In that context I would probably rather beat LSU. But living in MS, I would almost always rather beat MSU and don't really understand how anyone could feel differently. I'm not surrounded by LSU fans and for the most part we're not competing with them for recruits. I would imagine our collective mood right now would be much better if we had ended the regular season with a win over MSU, even if it meant losing to LSU earlier in the season, because we would have finished on a high note, would have more positive momentum, etc.

You didn't bring this up but I also hate the "MSU wanted it more" excuse, as I said on Nafoom the other day. I think it's a disingenuous copout and a crutch that apparently makes some people feel better about the loss. For anyone who has played sports, can you imagine walking off the field after a loss saying, "Well I/we lost because he/they just wanted it more than me/us." Particularly against your rival? That's just absurd to me. And is "wanting it more" even an advantage? How many times have we seen a team come out tight for a game, and then the narrative is "They're too amped up; they need to calm down and just play football." But in the Egg Bowl the team that's supposedly looser (i.e. cares less, which I don't buy at all) is at a disadvantage? Then which is better for football, being amped up or playing loose?

As for the hatred issue, I think it depends on how "hate" is defined. I hope MSU loses every game in every sport, but I don't consider this to be hate, only the natural emotions of a rivalry. I expect y'all to feel the same way. Hate to me is when you take it beyond sports and good-natured joking to the point that you truly despise anyone who happens to root for the other school. I have seen many MSU fans openly profess to hate anyone who roots for Ole Miss (many of whom have followed their leader-in-hate to ED), although some of this is probably hyperbole. I'm sure we have those fans too, but apparently they tend to post on the Spirit/Rivals (which I'm not on) so I don't really see it. I've never understood the ones on either side who display true hatred. But I will say if you live in this small state and have no family or friends who root for the other school, and/or you truly hate someone just because they root for a different school, you are a loser.

(Sorry for the diatribe. Please lose your bowl game if it's not too much trouble.)