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Wallace has the flu symptoms again, a Freeze was looking ahead to the bowl game, Tunsil went down, y'all care more about the game than us , my boo boo hurts get me a tampon, blah blah blah.

The truth is UM spins more crap than anybody!
When they lost to Bama it wasn't they ACTUALLY got BEAT. It was "well they got a coach over there that used to coach with us & he's got all our hand signals & audibles." (In my best Hank Hill voice). You got SMASHED......period! It wasn't that your offense was "down". Did it ever dawn on you bears in the cave that OUR defense just punched you in the mouth & came to play?

Goodness gracious, like the ole Sneaker Pimps...."spin, spin SUGAR!"
 
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As for the hatred issue, I think it depends on how "hate" is defined. I hope MSU loses every game in every sport, but I don't consider this to be hate, only the natural emotions of a rivalry. I expect y'all to feel the same way. Hate to me is when you take it beyond sports and good-natured joking to the point that you truly despise anyone who happens to root for the other school. I have seen many MSU fans openly profess to hate anyone who roots for Ole Miss (many of whom have followed their leader-in-hate to ED), although some of this is probably hyperbole. I'm sure we have those fans too, but apparently they tend to post on the Spirit/Rivals (which I'm not on) so I don't really see it. I've never understood the ones on either side who display true hatred. But I will say if you live in this small state and have no family or friends who root for the other school, and/or you truly hate someone just because they root for a different school, you are a loser.

You and I are on the same page here. My dislike for OM stops at their sports teams. No ill will toward anyone who went there or plans on going. Although there are some Reb fans i know that try my patience in that regard. I'm sure you can say the same for some State fans you know. Not going to a certain business because they're state or OM fans is beyond ridiculous to me.
 
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As for the hatred issue, I think it depends on how "hate" is defined. I hope MSU loses every game in every sport, but I don't consider this to be hate, only the natural emotions of a rivalry. I expect y'all to feel the same way.

This, in the inverse, is exactly how I feel about Ole Miss. I never want them to win. Because they are our rival, I just assume that anything good that happens to them is bad for us. But I expect my Ole Miss friends to feel the same way about State. I don't hate them for it.

Who I hate more than Ole Miss fans are the people who go to State, or wherever, but instead of rooting for their alma mater, pull for Bama. Or even worse, they cheer for their alma mater's rival (An Ole Miss grad cheering for MSU or a Auburn grad cheering for Bama). I will never understand those people.
 

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Sorry about that. What I actually yelled was "DINE AT FIREHOUSE," because I saw the MSU shirt and assumed you would feel more comfortable there. Their Hook-and-Ladder sub is pretty darn tasty.
 

RocketDawg

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I never took Mullen recruiting Mississippi to mean anything other than not allowing 1st round picks to slip through his fingers and land at Memphis, USM, Tulane, Troy, or UAB... schools in our region that occasionally produce a starting NFL player. I can name a stud from each one of those schools from the last 10 years that would be an all-time great at both MSU and Ole Miss had they gone there. It happens. I'd like for it to stop. It's funny considering that their best player from the last 10 years was a 2 star from Tennessee with a foot in the door at Chattanooga (Willie). I say best and I'm sure everyone is going to be like "Oh, what about Eli?!", but Eli isn't in the discussion for the best at his position at the next level. Willis is considered the #1 LB by a lot of people.

Troy, Memphis, USM, and possibly UAB may take the "stud" players that we don't and can't because of grades. Not true for Tulane.

And we have several non-Mississippi players ... a bunch from Louisiana, some from Georgia, Florida, and at least one from the west coast. I don't think Ole Miss is more attractive to "national" players than MSU is (unless there are some "benefits" they receive that we won't offer). But regardless ... I agree with recruiting nationally. No reason not to.
 

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Yes, I believe the big Archie game he referred to was with Alabama sometime in the 60s. But it was indeed one of the best games on record. I'm not sure what the other game he referred to, but could have been the infamous 5 downs game for LSU, or the Billy Cannon runback (might be the same game for all I know ... it was a long time ago).
 

RocketDawg

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This quite frankly is a load of bullsh*t. Everything about OM is propaganda and spin. Best trees, best women, best campus, only 1 rivalry. We are better than you and on and on.

It takes a full time spin machine to convince yourselves you arent woefully average.

While watching the replay of the game, the cameras were frequently on the Bear cheerleaders and the MSU cheerleaders. I couldn't help but notice that ours were much better looking than those from Oxford. Whether that's true across the board, I can't say, but it certainly is in the cheerleader world.
 

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Trying to stay as unbiased as possible

If seeing what's written on message boards is any indication as to how both respective fanbases act, I have to be real... both sides bring up good points about the other. When it comes to delusion and spin, I have to give that to Ole Miss. Using the "they wanted it more" line is something that should NEVER be used as an excuse to find solace. If that were true, then your program has more problems than you want to admit. Not only that, but they seem to use past glory to justify any thinking that they are an upper echelon program when no one out of the state of Mississippi even looks at them with that level of upside.

As far as State is concerned, even though the program has outperformed Ole Miss in all major sports in the more recent history, a lot of the fans still cling to a little brother like mindset regardless if they see it or not. I have to admit that constantly shouting how MSU is not their real rival, a spot unrequitedly reserved for LSU, is not only odd but further illustrates how State's exploits does get under their skin, but it's just as odd seeing how State fans want Ole Miss to acknowledge just how much hatred has for State. It's to the point it seems masochistic on State's part and Ole Miss is intentionally not acknowledging their dislike because it doubles in not only ruffling State's feathers but it does so without giving them any satisfaction of being hated.

From my personal opinion, I don't really agree with Ole Miss fans that say that State hates them more. I think this notion is conceived because of the desire to be acknowledged from State's corner. That subject becomes a high talking point because of the level of confusion it gives State fans, thus giving Ole Miss fans the impression of a higher level of angst aimed towards them.

Both programs have done and said some things that are blatantly contradictory, both tend to see things about their respective universities in a more positive light than the other and both seem to have a decent mixture of cool fans with a lot of douchey ones laced about.
 

RebelAlumnus

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To me, 5-7 is a whole lot of difference than 6-6. But the fact it was Ole Miss that got us to 6 wins this season was the cherry on top.

Most Ole Miss fans tried to say this to this board last year and were told to shut the 17 up with the lies, that it's just because we hated y'all that much.

So, maybe now y'all understand.
 

RebelAlumnus

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We get it. You are nationally relevant and feared, and somehow better than a team that you have a losing record to over the last 25 years. Keep fighting the good fight, you are almost there.

Head to head is fine to look at, but so is overall program. 13 losing seasons for MSU in last 25, 9 for Ole Miss. 12 bowl games for Ole Miss, 10 for MSU. 8 seasons with 8+ wins for Ole Miss, 7 for MSU.

You have an SEC West championship you backed into and more head to head wins, Ole Miss has every single other category. At best we are equal.
 

patdog

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Arlo, I've always thought you were a good guy. And the fact is, if 90% of the Rebels who claim they would rather beat LSU than MSU were being honest, they'd agree with you. And I agree about the "MSU wanted it more" argument too. I can't think of a worse thing to say about my team than that they didn't want to win a rivalry game as much as the other team did.
 

horshack.sixpack

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So ole miss hasn't even been good enough to back into Atlanta? That speaks well of your team...

Eta-we must have been backing up in a hurry beat the crap out of the rebels 28-6 and nearly beat the eventual national champs
 
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CadaverDawg

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Head to head is fine to look at, but so is overall program. 13 losing seasons for MSU in last 25, 9 for Ole Miss. 12 bowl games for Ole Miss, 10 for MSU. 8 seasons with 8+ wins for Ole Miss, 7 for MSU.

You have an SEC West championship you backed into and more head to head wins, Ole Miss has every single other category. At best we are equal.

Nice use of back handed compliments mixed within your posts of horse ****.
 

esplanade91

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Same ****. Still applies.

Maybe not the Alabama game, but Ole Miss and LSU used to throw-down...
 

esplanade91

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So is Ole Miss LSU's little brother? They truly don't acknowledge you and it's not out of hate.
 

esplanade91

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Current NFL players Mullen inherited: Gabe Jackson, Dixon, Cox, Banks, Lawrence, Sherrod, White, Wright. That's two first round talents on the OL. We'll see how many from the 2012 Ole Miss team make it eventually, but I would bet it won't be near that amount. None made it from last year and the only possibilities I see right now (that Freeze inherited) are C.J., Mathers, Gross, Prewitt, Golson, and MAYBE Bryant, though CJ is the only likely one to make it out of that group. The rest of the potential NFL players are guys he brought in (committed after his hiring).
Dan didn't inherit Gabe, Cox, Banks, White, or Lawrence or another you forgot McPhee. I'll give Chaney, Dixon, Mitchell, Wright, and Sherrod, but as a levelheaded fan you have to admit that without Mullen, Boobie wouldn't be in the league. He lost ~30 lbs when Mullen showed up because Dan told him to lose it or he wouldn't play.

Sherrod was a stud, but Croom just completely neglected depth at OL which ultimately led to Clausell and a couple other guys who otherwise wouldn't get the chance starting for us. Some of have stepped up to the challenge, others have not.

I've made the argument 10000 times on here and I'm not about to again, but the idea that Mullen won because of Croom's recruits is the dumbest thing ever thought. 1/2 of each of his classes never made it on campus, and while there might have been an eventual stud in each one of those classes a lot of them were scrubs. Most of them were scrubs. That's not even mentioning how unbalanced the classes were.


Ole Miss hasn't started a QB from Mississippi since Seth Adams in 2007. See how silly that sounds? State has 63 players from MS on the roster, Ole Miss has 47. We have recently pulled top players from Georgia, Florida, Illinois, and Texas. During the Orgeron years we pulled highly rated kids from California, Louisiana, Florida, and Georgia. You make zero points about how Ole Miss isn't capable of recruiting nationally other than some irrelevant comment about the 1960s.

And I'm not saying Ole Miss can't recruit nationally, but do you honestly believe that Ole Miss can recruit nationally on the same level Southern Cal, Alabama, or even your rival LSU can? Forget the 1960's backhanded swipe, do you honestly think Oxford is as appealing to a kid from Illinois as Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge? Those are two "big" cities, and while I admit that Oxford has a southern charm to it that I enjoy, why would a kid who isn't from our culture find that appealing? Sure, you'll grab a few, but Oxford isn't Tuscaloosa. It's not Athens. It's not Baton Rouge. It's a small Mississippi town with a nice downtown area in the middle of nowhere. You fill half of your roster with Mississippians and try to grab the others, we try to go 75% and mix and match with kids from nearby states with a couple kids sprinkled in from who cares. What does it matter? My point is that you think we can't recruit so choose to grab in the in-state guys because they'll likely come to MSU. Obviously that's not entirely the case because several of our starters are from other states.



Then you prove this with "If Mullen had lost to Ole Miss he would have shown me he floundered" and "I'm happy with what we have minus some assistants now, and he gave me a reason to believe that." All based on the Ole Miss game. You ruined your own point.
Then I need to clarify, it wasn't because we beat YOU. Following last season I just wanted Mullen to show some balls. I venture to say you'd see very few if any people calling for Mullen's head had he beaten USC earlier in the season but lost to Ole Miss, still reaching 6-6. You'd hear a lot of bitching about how we lost to Ole Miss and how Freeze was going to recruit us into nonexistence, but a lot of us have been waiting to see 2010 Dan for what seems like a long time now. It didn't have to be Ole Miss. Had we ended with a different fringe top 25 team at the end of the season and won in the same fashion it would have done the trick, it just happened to be that much sweeter for being you. A solid portion of us knew 5-7 was a likely scenario before the season. The season couldn't have started worse, but we hit our stride when it counted. Before the Alabama game it appeared Mullen threw in the towel.



Rivalries are about more than trophies, but since you justify LSU-ARK rivalry by talking about their trophy, HEY we have one with LSU, too. Rivalries are about dislike for each other, and I'll admit the LSU-OM rivalry hatred is more from the Ole Miss side than LSU, similar to the Egg Bowl rivalry hatred being more from MSU than Ole Miss. Just as your LSU friends say they hate Arkansas, I have LSU friends who say they hate Ole Miss. Y'all are no doubt our natural rivals and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. But I would still rather beat LSU and lose to you every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I know you have a trophy with them. I was implying that apparently it is all you need to have a real rival. Alabama is a stone's throw away from MSU, and while they roll us worse than any other annual matchup in existence I'd consider Bama-MSU a pretty good rivalry... more-so in the non-football world. I'd rather beat Alabama, even during one of their down years, than beat Ole Miss. Over the last 4-5 years I'd rather beat Auburn than beat Ole Miss. MSU fans don't just go walking around mentioning that to Ole Miss fans any chance the Egg Bowl gets brought up though.



Both fan-bases are nuts. Mental. I'm not trying to imply we are any better, but spins gone crazy.
 
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esplanade91

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No doubt that some fall through the cracks because they simply can't qualify, but a guy like Matt Forte had offers from Tulane and McNeese State. Hell, their QB from last year would have been the unquestioned #1 QB in the state of Mississippi. Austin Davis at USM was in my eyes his junior and senior years.

I'm simply mocking their spin that we grab Mississippi players because of the inability to convince anyone to come to Starkville, and that Mississippi athletes suck. In reality we both grab non-Mississippi guys, but MSU clearly makes it a priority to recruit schools of 250 people in Bumble 17, MS because of the chance that they were simply overlooked and could give us numbers similar to a 4* from WhoGivesAShit, USA. Less likely, but more likely the show up on campus. Even Freeze has a low success rate with his "throw it out there and see what sticks" approach. Are either any less great? I don't think so. I think they both work. I do find it ridiculous to spin it as if we simply can't recruit kids from elsewhere. One went as far to say we can't recruit anywhere else so we've even changed our entire marketing campaign to "Our State" in an attempt to get the 10-15 SEC athletes every year.

Oxford would most definitely be more attractive to a kid from Cali than Starkville. Saying otherwise is crazy. That's not saying much though. How many of them would rather go to Cal? Berkeley > Oxford. In the end a lot of the levelheaded ones will choose the coach and the facilities over how cool the bars are though, so it's pretty crazy to say a kid would choose Ole Miss because he likes the square. If a kid is going to levy his future on some bars/restaurants he likely won't be worth it.
 

RebelAlumnus

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So ole miss hasn't even been good enough to back into Atlanta? That speaks well of your team...

6-2 SEC record got you in because of a screwup by Arkansas at the end against UT. Your 1999 team was arguably better than your West Championship team, but lost to eventual SEC champion Alabama and was kept out.

7-1 didn't get Ole Miss in because LSU went undefeated and won a national championship. But hey, if 6-2 and winning a tie breaker is > 7-1 in your world, more power to you.
 

RebelAlumnus

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Dan didn't inherit Gabe, Cox, Banks, White, or Lawrence

Sure he did. All were committed to State before Mullen was hired. Most of them by July of Croom's final year.


but do you honestly believe that Ole Miss can recruit nationally on the same level Southern Cal, Alabama, or even your rival LSU can?

No, and I don't know where anyone has ever said that. I've certainly never seen it. It's meant in comparison to State.


Both fan-bases are nuts.

It's a very, very, very small percentage. And those people have trouble separating a college fanship from real life. It's always been this way. In everyday life I don't hear anyone, MSU or OM, say the things that are said on the Spirit and ED about the other.
 

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I prefer to see it as Actually going to the SEC Championship game>Never going to the SEC Championship game. I think most rational people would agree.