All day. We haven’t been the same since. So far Jans is a great value version of Stans 2.0. Stans recruited players and did what he did without even having a practice facility.
Stansbury > Jans
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You may be right, but Stans did not make it to the tournament his first three years. Jans has had a better record and better results first three years.
If you have a gym, you have a place to practice.
Early Stans, yes. Easily. Last 4 years, no.
Stan’s last year was just as good as any of Jan’s years here.
Last 4:
23-13 (9-7)
24-12 (9-7)
17-14 (9-7)
21-12 (8-8)
Stans brought in the marshmallow. That's a huge negative.
We still haven’t really recovered from firing Stans. Jans is getting close, but he isn’t there yet. That’s the second dumbest athletics move MSU has ever made.
Croom hiring and Rick Ray hiring both feel dumber and dumberer.
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Oh that is a scorchingly hot take.
Holy 17- this was actually typed out by an MSU fan?!?!
Are you honestly not aware of Stan's last season?
In 1 month we went from being ranked 20th in the country to not making the NCAA tournament and losing at home in the first round of the NIT.
Total dumpster fire.
The Ray hiring was a direct result of the Stans firing. Firing Stans was considered harsh and stupid by everyone but a few very vocal MSU people. I assume Room is Croom. That WAS a dumb move, but it would be third at the worst. It’s probably not even that high.
SEC was a much, much weaker league then. 1 NCAA 1st round loss (only made it because we won the SEC tournament), and 3 NITs.
A dumpster fire that still ended up 21-12 (8-8 SEC). I’m well aware of that season. Disappointing sure. Total dumster not hardly. If that was a total dumpster fire then you better get the water hose and go out back and check the trash cans right now.
Stans 'retiring' was pretty well guessed for at least a week leading up to his ending at MSU. It was not considered harsh and stupid by everyone but a few people.
Its true that many wanted him to stay, but it was nowhere close to 'everyone but a few'. The vocal detractors was a really large group.
Yes, it was. It was basically only MSU people that didn’t see it that way. The hire we eventually had to make was proof of that. Oh, he did NOT retire. He was fired.
It was a dumpster fire because of how much of a disaster it became.
1- the sec wasn't far worse then vs this year or last year. Going simply off of record is absurd and shows a lack of understanding basic context.
2- this season was not a dumpster fire in the least. The team earned an at large bid, played a close tournament game, and was viewed as a top 30s team at the end of the regular season.
3- I genuinely question if you remember Stans' last season. He lost the team's respect, couldn't manage personalities, and went from ranked to losing in the first round of the nit in 4 weeks. All this with a 1st team SEC player that was a 1st round pick, another future 1st round pick, and a future long career pro.
I know he didn't retire, which is why I used quotes.
And yet, he said he retired and MSU said he retired.
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As for Rick Ray, he was a disaster of a coach,but his hiring isn't proof of what you are arguing.
Ray's hiring was a mistake because there were other candidates who in retrospect(and immediate analysis) were better.
And again, we didn’t even have a basketball practice facility. Big recruiting disadvantage. Also back in those days, if we had E$PN lobbying for the entire SEC to get in the tournament like now a days, then we would have made it several more times back then.
Stan’s tenure, especially towards the end, was the perfect example of inmates running the asylum. He could bring in talent with big personalities. He couldn’t keep them focused and in line.
LOL, he was the best we could get. I had really good info on the men’s basketball program back then. It was absolutely proof of what I am arguing. We totally screwed that firing up. Stan should have got one more year. Now I’ll really throw you a curve. Had he got it I think it would have been an utter disaster. Had it been so, we could have fired him THEN, and we would have been able to make a much better hire. Our time in purgatory would have been much shorter, because Ray was a total disaster, that we can agree on.I know he didn't retire, which is why I used quotes.
And yet, he said he retired and MSU said he retired.
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As for Rick Ray, he was a disaster of a coach,but his hiring isn't proof of what you are arguing.
Ray's hiring was a mistake because there were other candidates who in retrospect(and immediate analysis) were better.
ESPN was 'lobbying' because the SEC was the strongest conference.
They didn't lobby, they just talked a lot about and talked glowongly about the strongest conference. It's what they do every season- ACC, big12, BigEast...they gush on the best conference whoever it is.
Probably has nothing to do with Disney and ESPN’s 10 year, 3 billion dollar deal with the SEC that started this season.
Making the tournament and getting bounced in the first game is equivalent to getting a 10th place Little League trophy. IDGAF if we make the tourney 20 years in a row. If we can’t win a damn game in it, then who gives a 17.
Our fan base’s ability to totally forget the end of the Stans era never ceases to amaze me. We didn’t just roll out of bed and decide to fire the guy. Those last 3 years were a train wreck full of far more underachieving than Jans has even thought about doing.
Rick’s peaks were higher, yes. But he didn’t even make the tournament the first time until Year 4.
Rick’s peaks were higher, yes. But he didn’t even make the tournament the first time until Year 4.
Call me crazy, but I don’t think those things matter much in this era of pay-for-play.
…..with the best talent he ever had as a head coach. TWO 1st Round NBA draft picks on that squad. The only two that he ever had at MSU.
How in the high holy living 17 do you miss the NCAA tournament with two 1st round picks?
I said at the time and still believe it was time for him to go. And I was a huge Stans supporter nearly all of his career.
But he lost control of the program those last few years.
People have either forgotten or weren’t around for 2010-2012 but nothing Jans has done comes remotely close to the dysfunction of Stans’ last three years.
We were losing to absolutely terrible teams like clockwork. With some fairly loaded rosters.
For some context on how bad the SEC was when Stans was falling apart, here are the teams that made the tourney in 2009, the year of his last appearance:
State - 13 seed
LSU - 9 seed
Tennessee - 8 seed
That is literally the whole list. There was not a single Top 25 team in the SEC in 2009.
State - 13 seed
LSU - 9 seed
Tennessee - 8 seed
That is literally the whole list. There was not a single Top 25 team in the SEC in 2009.
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The league really was terrible in basketball for a lot of those seasons around that time. If you didn't live through it, it's kind of shocking I'm sure.
For context, that team was 19-5 overall and 6-3 in SEC play with a month to go in the season. They proceeded to lose 3 straight games to teams that ALL finished with losing records in league play (UGA, Auburn, LSU), then lost to Alabama and UK to top off a 5-game losing streak. Literally went from 19-5 to 19-10 in 2 weeks. Then they were taken to OT at home by an awful South Carolina team, and then got beat, for the 2nd time, by an atrocious UGA team in the first round of the SEC tournament.
Quite possibly the biggest late season meltdown of any MSU sport ever. I’m not sure there is a close second.
one more year, and we would have been able to get a better replacement. That was an EPIC bd decision.