Fairly loaded rosters…….possibly….but not in the sense you are using the term ”loaded”.
Stansbury > Jans
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The Big East set a record with 3 #1 seeds in the tournament that year. In 2011 the Big East got 11 schools in the tournament. The Big East also had huge basketball television contracts with ESPN and CBS those years.
The SEC broke a record this year for most first round losses in the NCAA tournament by a single conference.
If Rodney Hood doesn’t hurt his knee with 4 min left in the game we beat Kentucky at home. Stans won more banners than anyone…. When we Had divisions State was better organized for that. And he could get us to the SEC Tournament Championship games too. Had Kentucky beat in Tampa Bay and the refs 17’ed us.
Give me Stans over wimpy *** Jans all day long. And bring back Robert Kirby ….
Give me Stans over wimpy *** Jans all day long. And bring back Robert Kirby ….
And still won 8 games. It's almost like nearly all their teams made the tournament.
Love me some Stans but he was 4-6 in the tourney with no S16. He put up good records in a weak SEC. I like Jans as well. Not writing him off yet. But he's got a big challenge in overcoming the mental block we have on campus where athletes seem to rationalize being traditional losers. No, we aren't the haves of the college sports world but we have the resources to attract decent to solid talent and we often do. Our problem is the woe is me chicken **** MS attitude that we can't shake off. At some point we just have to believe we can win and 17ing do it. Yeah that's some Ted Lasso cheesy BS but it's the GD truth.
It's tough to win division banners when they no longer exist.
And it's tough to hang your hat on division banners as evidence of success.
MSU won the West in '06-07 and '09-10 and didn't even make the NCAA Tournament those seasons.
4-6 in the tourney…. So how many tournament appearances is that? What % of our total tournament berths is that? Quit acting like we are some sort of tournament blue blood. Good Lord we have the most delusional fans in the entire NCAA, IF they are fans of MSU.
What the hell are you talking about? I'm giving Jans the benefit of the doubt. He's 3-3 in NCAA appearances at MSU. That's outstanding. Stans was 6-14 with zero in his first 3. The point was "Jans is doing more than fine and he has to get over some historical **** performance". Go to bed.
Well it’s 40% of our tournament wins. 4 tournament wins is looking awfully good when we have 0 in the 15 years since we fired him. He also has the only SEC championship without an asterisk since 1963.
Relative to our history, those teams were loaded. Easily had NCAAT talent, the 2012 team had second weekend talent.
People love to bring up the Hood injury as if it was some season defining thing for that team. We had lost three straight games to bad Georgia, LSU, and Auburn teams going into that UK game. All with a healthy roster. And would go on to lose to that same bad Georgia team again with Hood back in the lineup.
The revisionist history with our fans and Stansbury is just wild to me. People want to act like 2002-2004 was his whole tenure. It was three great seasons in the middle of 14 year run that was very much a mixed bag the other 11 years. It took a while to get going, peaked in years 4-6, and gradually declined afterward before crashing and burning spectacularly at the end.
Stansbury got so many wins in that division format because the SEC West was so terrible back during that stretch. I mean truly terrible.
8-6 first round. It’s almost like 6 of them them didn’t belong in the first place. Back in Stanbury’s days those 6 wouldn’t have gotten in the tournament. The SEC now has preferred bias because of the huge contracts.
You realize the only team we’ve beaten in the last month is LSU, right? Twice. Lost to everyone else. Pretty big collapse this year too. I’m blaming it on Cams foot. Post-UK game loss we flopped.
From 2007-2012, not a single team In the SEC West was ever higher than an 8 seed in the NCAAT. There were multiple years in that stretch where zero teams in the West made the tournament. The SEC was all Florida-Kentucky-Tennessee back then, with a little bit of Vandy success too.
This can be considered a collapse, and it still pales in comparison to the one being referenced in 2012. Not even in the same stratosphere. That team went from Top 20 in the polls to NIT 4 seed in the span of a month.
Most all of Stansbury’s teams would have beaten any of Jan’s teams over the last three years. Our team over the past three years would not have made the tournament back in those days.
You keep claiming an ESPN contract with the SEC is reason for MSU being in the tournament this season and/or so many SEC teams being in the tournament.
Those are separate.
ESPN has pushed the top conference, by constantly alking about it, for decades now.
It's what happened in the 90s, in the 00s, and the 10s, and now in the 20s.
The SEC as a conference is really great now and ESPN has been pushing that narrative as a result.
Your absurd conspiracy fails to explain why so many other media outlets also constantly pushed the narrative that the SEC is historically strong this season. They don't have a media contract and yet actively pushed out stories about how strong the SEC is as a conference. It was a season long narrative too.
There is not a single season in the Stansbury era where the SEC was as strong as it is this year.
Again, most all of Stansbury’s teams would have beaten any of Jan’s teams over the last three years. Our team over the past three years would not have made the tournament back in those days.
As an oldster, I'll summarize Stansbury v Jans.
Stans's best teams were 2002-2005. Those teams were all better than anything we've had in all the years since except 2019. The 2004 team, despite how they finished, is in the conversation for the best team in MSU history if the season as a whole is considered rather than just the finish.
Stans's years after 2005 were either bad or pretty good, but never better than pretty good. I would characterize Jans first three seasons as pretty good as well.
So yes, at this point Stans has a better body of work than Jans. He had a much longer run, with higher highs and lower lows than Jans at this point. I'd be shocked if Jans run at State lasts anywhere near as long as Stans, but I'm wrong a lot.
Stans's best teams were 2002-2005. Those teams were all better than anything we've had in all the years since except 2019. The 2004 team, despite how they finished, is in the conversation for the best team in MSU history if the season as a whole is considered rather than just the finish.
Stans's years after 2005 were either bad or pretty good, but never better than pretty good. I would characterize Jans first three seasons as pretty good as well.
So yes, at this point Stans has a better body of work than Jans. He had a much longer run, with higher highs and lower lows than Jans at this point. I'd be shocked if Jans run at State lasts anywhere near as long as Stans, but I'm wrong a lot.
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It was time for Stans to go. The inmates were running the asylum at that point. However, you do not fire Stans until you had his replacement locked up. Once you fire him you are desperate and all your candidates that are any good have you by the short curlies and use you to increase their status where they and you are left with Rick Ray. Stans was fine coach, good man but a good portion of his recruiting acumen was built up players who never came here.
Not sure how Stans would have handled NIL because there wasn't one when he was here. I think.....he was a savvy enough coach to adjust and adapt to NIL provided he had the money to throw at prospects. In general, I think Stans was probably a better high school recruiter, but Jans is a better X's & O's bench coach....and probably a littler better defensive coach than Stans.
On a board full of dumb takes, this one might be the dumbest.
Most is an overstatement. But Stans best 4 team would crush any team we’ve had since. It wouldn’t be close.
This is also an overstatement. Only 2004 was clearly better than our 2019 team (yes, the one that lost to Liberty), which was a 5 seed.
Stans took the whole "it s better to burn out than fade away" quite literally.
ESPN owns the worldwide rights for all NCAA championship events. The whole world
The 04 team yes. Their rest would be a toss up.
The one constant of both Stans and Jans is George Brooks and under achieving bigs….
ESPN owns the worldwide rights for all NCAA championship events. The whole world
And yet I will continue to see March Madness(what is being discussed) thru CBS/Paramount distribution thru 2032.
But yeah, ESPN has distribution in Bhutan, so good point.**
I’d put 02 up there as well, that was a really good team. 03 team was good but underachieved some. 05 season was kinda ruined by Winsome breaking his foot in Oxford. We were good but ended up being a 9 seed and had to play Duke in the second round.
And far, far more loaded than our current roster, which has absolutely zero guys that even have G-league talent, yet still played well enough in the best conference in college basketball history to garner a Top 8 seed.
And I’ll just add to that….this thread is pretty silly overall, because Stans was a really, really good coach for us. Even if Jans is not quite as good (which jury is still way out there), its not like its an insult. Most NCAA tourney appearances, most wins, and best modern era winning percentage for coaches that stayed 5+ years. The 2nd best coach we ever had besides McCarthey. Better than Williams, who went to the Sweet 16 and Final Four on the back of Stans’ recruiting….and then was so bad that he got fired 2 years later as soon as the first scapegoat excuse to do so came up.
But all that said, the sun sets on everyone at some point, and it could not have been any more obvious that he had lost all control of the program by 2012. Had zero excuses not to make the tourney in 2012, and had zero excuses to not get an at-large bid in any of his last FOUR seasons at MSU, which were years 11-14 overall.