State basketball by the numbers since 2006

[Coach34]

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idea to look at this came from LR...numbers from statsheet.com:

2006- 15-15...5-11 SEC...RPI- 113(10th in SEC)- 56th SOS (9th in the SEC)</p>

2007- 21-14...8-8 SEC...RPI 64 (8th in SEC)- 44th SOS (9th in the SEC)</p>

2008- 23-11...12-4 SEC...RPI- 40 (4th in SEC) 76th SOS (8th in SEC)</p>

2009- 23-13...9-7 SEC...RPI- 63 (5th in SEC) 53 SOS (6th in SEC)</p>

2010- 24-12...9-7 SEC...59th (6th in SEC)- SOS- 90th (12th in SEC)</p>

2011- 13-11...5-5 SEC...141 RPI... (10th in SEC)...SOS 102- (8th in SEC)

record- 119- 76 (48-42 in the SEC entering tonight)

How can anybody say this isnt mediocre? Medearis?
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[Coach34]

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idea to look at this came from LR...numbers from statsheet.com:

2006- 15-15...5-11 SEC...RPI- 113(10th in SEC)- 56th SOS (9th in the SEC)</p>

2007- 21-14...8-8 SEC...RPI 64 (8th in SEC)- 44th SOS (9th in the SEC)</p>

2008- 23-11...12-4 SEC...RPI- 40 (4th in SEC) 76th SOS (8th in SEC)</p>

2009- 23-13...9-7 SEC...RPI- 63 (5th in SEC) 53 SOS (6th in SEC)</p>

2010- 24-12...9-7 SEC...59th (6th in SEC)- SOS- 90th (12th in SEC)</p>

2011- 13-11...5-5 SEC...141 RPI... (10th in SEC)...SOS 102- (8th in SEC)

record- 119- 76 (48-42 in the SEC entering tonight)

How can anybody say this isnt mediocre? Medearis?
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[MadDawg.sixpack]

the lone exception could be Polk's run to the CWS - of course that's probably not what anybody on here wants to read.

 

[tenureplan]

Ok, lets say that he has been mediocre since 2006 (his worst year which you chose to include). Does that mean he has been above average since 2007 then? The numbers get alot better if you leave out 2006.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

What is the purpose of that? Did we not pay those games at the end of the season?</p>

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

They just aren't in the SEC column. I believe that for the sake of listing records, tournament games not counted as conference games. It's the same with with the SECCG in football. Auburn's SEC record was 8-0 even though they won 9 games against SEC teams.

 

[mstateglfr]

Seriously, every other program at MSU could go winless in the same timeframe and that should have NO bearing on this discussion. NONE.
Likewise, every other program at MSU could go undefeated in the same timeframe and that too should have NO bearing on this discussion. NONE.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

The reality of the situation is that it does matter, whether warranted or not. Case in point: If we had a couple of NC or even been to a few BCS bowl games over the last 5-6 years, we would probably have already made a change at head coach in basketball. Reality is that Stans is probably more on the hot seat now than ever and part of that is due to the football program being on the upswing.

 

[msudogsrule01]

that even David Murray is in your camp. He calls the last three years 'The Era of Missed Opportunities', which is his way of saying we sucked.

Coach, you and I have had our battles on here, but I lets assume that the actual chances of something happening to push Stans out, short of him retiring or the entire team not showing up to practice or a game (literally, not figuratively), is probably around 30%. Assuming this, what do you think the administration will do?

My guess is that the pressure is on him to clean house on the coaching staff, or at least all but Marcus (because he is well-liked on campus as a former player).

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

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[patdog]

But it should be pointed out that in the only 2 other sports anyone cares about, we've fired our coaches in the last 3 years.</p>

 

[patdog]

1. Right now, I don't care how much any of our assistant coaches (or our head coach either for that matter), we've got to start winning more games. If that means firing someone that we like, then that's what needs to happen. A lot of people liked Polk and Crxxm too.

2. If you do a complete purge of the assistant coaches, it's going to be hell to get any good assistants to take their place. Even Texas is seeing this with their football staff. Manny wasn't their first choice as DC and an assistant from Tennessee just decided to stay there rather than go to Texas.

 

[Frances Drebin]

The stans apologists don't want to read that, either.

The word he used is mediocre. And when you look at the records, the overall strength of the conference, and the non-conference record during that time, I'd say mediocre is about right. And it has nothing to do with football or baseball over the same period. Each sport should be analyzed individually.

 

[Hanmudog]

I agree that the last four years were not spectacular but they were not as horrible as you make it out to be. Certainly we were not bad enough to justify firing Stansbury. Who was the last SEC school to fire a coachafter a season where theyfinished above .500 in the SEC?

Last year we badly underachieved and this year is even worse. Now is the time to talk about firing the coach.

 

[Coach34]

that the last 5 1/2 seasons were are 48-42 in the SEC Reg season heading into tonight's game.

My point is that over that span, we average being about 6-7th in the SEC in RPI- mediocre at best in a down SEC

My point is that we are usually 8th-9th in Strength of Schedule in the SEC- that's ridiculous for a school that wants to claim its one of the top SEC schools in basketball. It's like we have no interest in elevating the program. It's all about playing an easy schedule to inflate the win total so the head coach can keep his job.

 

[medearis]

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idea to look at this came from LR...numbers from statsheet.com:

2006- 15-15...5-11 SEC...RPI- 113(10th in SEC)- 56th SOS (9th in the SEC)</p>

2007- 21-14...8-8 SEC...RPI 64 (8th in SEC)- 44th SOS (9th in the SEC)</p>

2008- 23-11...12-4 SEC...RPI- 40 (4th in SEC) 76th SOS (8th in SEC)</p>

2009- 23-13...9-7 SEC...RPI- 63 (5th in SEC) 53 SOS (6th in SEC)</p>

2010- 24-12...9-7 SEC...59th (6th in SEC)- SOS- 90th (12th in SEC)</p>

2011- 13-11...5-5 SEC...141 RPI... (10th in SEC)...SOS 102- (8th in SEC)

record- 119- 76 (48-42 in the SEC entering tonight)

How can anybody say this isnt mediocre? Medearis?
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The way I read your numbers is that according to the RPI ranks, last year we were 6th out of 12 in the SEC, the year before we were 5th in the SEC, the year before we were 4th in the SEC. So over the last 3 years, we average 5th in the SEC. Certainly not great, but we did have an SEC conference tournament championship and make the NCAA tournament twice (and got robbed of a 3/3 in NCAA appearances). I'd say the last 3 years we are clearly above average in the conference with an average RPI rank of 5th (among the SEC) and a tourney championship to go with 2 NCAA appearance.
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</div><div>And it cannot be completely discounted that this season is not technically over. One cannot really judge a season until it is finished. We have built a reputation of being tough come SEC tourney time, so we'll see this year. This Kentucky game should be further evidence for your point if we get blown away. But we haven't played it yet.</div><div>
</div><div>You can keep killing yourself all day trying to make these stupid azz arguments. Facts are facts. We have been one of the better programs in the entire SEC over the last 12 years. The best in the west, too. The only good argument you have for firing Stans is this season's debacle. And it's a decent argument. I fall on the side of giving Stansbury one more year to get things back on track and get back in the NCAA tourney. </div><div>
</div><div>The monkey throwing his poo, daily. That is coach for you.</div>

 

[futaba.79]

will you make this point? Reading your posts is like watching Nancy Grace. I was forced to endure an episode over a year ago and she was talking about Casey Anthony. I happened to see it again the other night and she was talking about Casey Anthony.

 

[Hanmudog]

I get what you are saying about SOS and RPI but you are cherrypicking years to make your point on our record. You could just as easily say that the three years prior to this one we were 70-36 overalland 38-26 in the SEC.

I will say this, I have come around to 100% agree with you about SOS and RPI. Andy Kennedy has somehow found the secret to scheduling a good RPI schedule without actually beating anyone of note. Stansbury needs to take notes.

 

[tenureplan]

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[mstateglfr]

The reality of the situation is that it does matter, whether warranted or not. Case in point: If we had a couple of NC or even been to a few BCS bowl games over the last 5-6 years, we would probably have already made a change at head coach in basketball. Reality is that Stans is probably more on the hot seat now than ever and part of that is due to the football program being on the upswing.

Right, and if he is on the hotseat because of ourvery recent very short term success in football, it is absurd.Flat out absurd. Our success or failures insoftball or track or football should have no bearing on if we keep or fire a basketball coach.
You know what should matter when it comes to keeping or firing a basketball coach?His record, hissuccess, his failures, and his recentresults.
The men's tennis teamdominating the conference for 3 years straight shouldntmean **** when it comes tokeeping or firing Stans.
And Stansgetting to3 Sweet 16s in a row(ha, thats funny) shouldntmean **** when it comes to keeping or firing Cohen.

There is no justifiable reason forthe records of other sports to matter. You mention 'whether warranted or not' that this is the way it is...well if this is the way it is, then it is unwarranted. And i am not sure why we would do thingsthat we know are unwarranted.

 

[Johnson85]

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</div><div>You can keep killing yourself all day trying to make these stupid azz arguments. Facts are facts. We have been one of the better programs in the entire SEC over the last 12 years. The best in the west, too.</div>

I mean we can't do better than 5th in the west? I don't care how good or ****** the west is. What matters is whether we are at the top or the bottom of it. Being 1st in the west and 60th in the country is fine. Being 5th in the west and 15th in the country is not. Why do people keep comparing our sports programs outside of the SEC West? I don't get it.

 

[Coach34]

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[patdog]

Andy Kennedy has somehow found the secret to scheduling a good RPI schedule without actually beating anyone of note.

Just don't play more than 1 or 2 games against 250+ RPI teams and play a lot of games against teams in the 100-200 range, then 1 or 2 against top 75 teams. That's really all it takes to have a pretty decent non-conference RPI (assuming you don't lose too many of those games).