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Just about all my posts in this thread.

What is your question?

The question was, "what was deleted". Like I said, feel free to repost them here so maybe they wont be deleted.

Were these comments about your luxurious lifestyle?

Were you trying to belittle people with your massive market holdings again?

Are you still wanting people to compare their investments to yours?

If so, will you wager your entire portfolio? Say if someone you have been an *** to bets that they have a substantially larger amount than you, would you be willing to wager your entire amount to the same dollar amount in theirs, and whoever loses has to forfeit those funds to a charity?
 
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I posted my holdings to show the massive self imposed drop in value because of stupid *** decisions.

Meanwhile, the same apologists that can’t admit their leader screwed up keep spewing nonsense. So if you know so much, show how much value you lost. It’s pretty damn simple.
 

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I posted my holdings to show the massive self imposed drop in value because of stupid *** decisions.

Meanwhile, the same apologists that can’t admit their leader screwed up keep spewing nonsense. So if you know so much, show how much value you lost. It’s pretty damn simple.

Lol, what a scam artist. I know which of your posts were deleted. You deleted them, lol. You deleted the posts with your massive investments. But i have them all.




Why would you do that? What a terrible look, and you deserve it the way you came in hot and acting like dckhead. And to top it off you try to make others look bad while bragging about investments that are not all that great.... shameful.

As to your question, I took a bath. All told I probably lost close to the amount you have invested. It wasn't the first time, and I bought more yesterday, well my broker did. I have faith it will bounce it back.

Now are you going to bet that nest egg of yours against those you acted like a jerk to, or are you going to settle down be decent?
 
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I posted my holdings to show the massive self imposed drop in value because of stupid *** decisions.

Meanwhile, the same apologists that can’t admit their leader screwed up keep spewing nonsense. So if you know so much, show how much value you lost. It’s pretty damn simple.



 
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I 100% did not delete them. You can ask a mod .

As to scam artist, you would know one right?

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You the Brian Poe that bought a house in 2005 and has continued to take loan after loan after loan on the house? Sheet, I would feel real stupid to owe 200K more on the same house 20 years later. Definitely wouldn’t listen to you for financial advice

Thats you right?

I’m sure the mods will pull the post down too.
 
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Lucked out with a merger at the company I work for that froze my 401k for the first quarter as they switched who manages our investments. Have had a large chunk of money just sitting there for the last few months, started moving everything back into the markets last night and the new company is giving us a ‘bonus’ check this Friday to make up for the lost 401k match in Q1. Fingers crossed this is timed right, but feel pretty good about things at the moment.

Moved a huge chunk of my 403b back into the market today, takes effect at midnight. I don't know if it's bottomed, maybe not, but even if it takes a while longer, there will be some nice earnings. My thinking is that with so many countries willing to negotiate, and hopefully some good news on the horizon with the tax cuts that it's poised. I understand Brian Poe's position too, that we don't want if to pop too early.
 

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I 100% did not delete them. You can ask a mod .

As to scam artist, you would know one right?

Banned from UK athletics for 27 years.
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You the Brian Poe that bought a house in 2005 and has continued to take loan after loan after loan on the house? Sheet, I would feel real stupid to owe 200K more on the same house 20 years later. Definitely wouldn’t listen to you for financial advice

Thats you right?

I’m sure the mods will pull the post down too.

You think this is a win for you? Why would they pull this down?

You truly have no idea who I am do you? We can defitniely discuss the UK stuff, you will look silly. As to one of my properties we wont discuss my kids.

As to UK, how long have you been a fan? You weren't around for the whole "internet isnt media" campaign from Sandy Bell?

You are unaware that I am the first person to use Big Blue Nation in commerce? That I am the one that trademarked the term? That it was rarely, if ever used before I blew it up over 20 years ago? The huge lawsuit?

Oh what a story, no shame here my guy. By the way what is your real name? So that folks can search your personal history? Or are you too cowardly to do that?
 
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Not going to provide your name huh? I wouldnt either I guess. Anyway, if you read that article you will see a couple interesting quotes from Sandy Bell...

Poe was originally banned by Kentucky for two years after the university said he had inappropriately interviewed high school recruits.

Kentucky compliance director Sandy Bell contacted the NCAA after finding out about Poe's initial interviews with recruits. She was told the school was responsible for Poe's actions and that the university had to report those violations. There were no violations, that was a lie.

Bell was told by another booster that Poe was circulating e-mails asking for help in recruiting athletes. The school talked with NCAA officials and an additional 25 years was added. This is kind of true, but the new football coaches were simply looking for leads for potential walk-ons and did not know the area. We did get togethers for posters on the website around the state, they received the emails.

The NCAA says that fan Web sites aren't considered media outlets, and that the school might be accountable if a representative contacts a recruit. Such contact might be an NCAA violation.

"Because he was not a media entity, he was a representative of our athletics interests," Bell said Thursday. "The NCAA wouldn't want a booster of any institution to just open a Website and start interviewing recruits."

We were a corporation. Not just a website, but a full colored magazine, a tv show on Fox Sports South and ESPN2, I did a weekly radio show on clear channel and I did pre and post game shows on the radio.

I was the very first local guy to talk to recruits and coaches. I was the first to post high school highlights.

I did what everyone is doing today, 20 years ago. I wasnt a money booster.

But I did trademark Big Blue Nation, and they wanted that bad. I tried to work with them, but UK Athletics is so cruel to businesses. I can go in detail later, there is so much more, it would be a great documentary.

I also have a ton of stories regarding the players and coaches.

There are still some guys here who are well aware.

If you are truly interested we can set up a chat. Perhaps you can stop being so confrontational and I'll fill you in?
 
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One of your properties. LOL. Fayette deed room is online and free to search.

Weird how none of your “team” on DASMI list their affiliation to DASMI anywhere. I mean, they have some impressive resumes.

The YouTube channel has 588 views. I’m trying to find the app but it just doesn’t seem to be on the Apple.

All your business registrations are inactive on the KY Secretary of State. Your **** is fake. You are a total grifter scam artist.
 

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One of your properties. LOL. Fayette deed room is online and free to search.

Weird how none of your “team” on DASMI list their affiliation to DASMI anywhere. I mean, they have some impressive resumes.

The YouTube channel has 588 views. I’m trying to find the app but it just doesn’t seem to be on the Apple.

All your business registrations are inactive on the KY Secretary of State. Your **** is fake. You are a total grifter scam artist.

Lol, Im sorry buddy, but DASMI is an AI side project that I have worked sparingly with for the last decade and basically lost way more money than I did in the market recently. Had some really sharp people on board, but the project was halted due to covid. Ive dabbled since then but AI has improved so quickly I did not put the resources in to keep it up.

My younger set of kids are also growing up too so..... Why dont you just ask me what you want to know?

I retired full time a decade ago... LOL

I didnt know I had a Youtube channel?

As i said prior, you dont seem to want to offer your real name? This is a little cowardly no?

People that do a lot have a lot of info. Im in Lexington if you want to see how real I am?
 
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Not going to provide your name huh? I wouldnt either I guess. Anyway, if you read that article you will see a couple interesting quotes from Sandy Bell...

Poe was originally banned by Kentucky for two years after the university said he had inappropriately interviewed high school recruits.

Kentucky compliance director Sandy Bell contacted the NCAA after finding out about Poe's initial interviews with recruits. She was told the school was responsible for Poe's actions and that the university had to report those violations. There were no violations, they was a lie.

Bell was told by another booster that Poe was circulating e-mails asking for help in recruiting athletes. The school talked with NCAA officials and an additional 25 years was added. This is kind of true, but the new football coaches were simply looking for leads for potential walk-ons and did not know the area. We did get togethers for posters on the website around the state, they received the emails.

The NCAA says that fan Web sites aren't considered media outlets, and that the school might be accountable if a representative contacts a recruit. Such contact might be an NCAA violation.

"Because he was not a media entity, he was a representative of our athletics interests," Bell said Thursday. "The NCAA wouldn't want a booster of any institution to just open a Website and start interviewing recruits."

We were a corporation. Not just a website, but a full colored magazine, a tv show on Fox Sports South and ESPN2, I did a weekly radio show on clear channel and I did pre and post game shows on the radio.

I was the very first local guy to talk to recruits and coaches. I was the first to post high school highlights.

I did what everyone is doing today, 20 years ago. I wasnt a money booster.

But I did trademark Big Blue Nation, and they wanted that bad. I tried to work with them, but UK Athletics is so cruel to businesses. I can go in detail later, there is so much more, it would be a great documentary.

I also have a ton of stories regarding the players and coaches.

There are still some guys here who are well aware.

If you are truly interested we can set up a chat. Perhaps you can stop being so confrontational and I'll fill you in?
I for one, would love to hear all the chit that went down with guys like Chad Anderson, Joe Dipre, Chad Scott, Albert Means and all that chit
 
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You think this is a win for you? Why would they pull this down?

You truly have no idea who I am do you? We can defitniely discuss the UK stuff, you will look silly. As to one of my properties we wont discuss my kids.

As to UK, how long have you been a fan? You weren't around for the whole "internet isnt media" campaign from Sandy Bell?

You are unaware that I am the first person to use Big Blue Nation in commerce? That I am the one that trademarked the term? That it was rarely, if ever used before I blew it up over 20 years ago? The huge lawsuit?

Oh what a story, no shame here my guy. By the way what is your real name? So that folks can search your personal history? Or are you too cowardly to do that?
 

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Can you expand on what you mean in the highlighted section above. Are you saying GDP outside of government spending is stagnant? What is real GDP growth?
If we remove government spending, our economy has shown very little growth since at least 2008.
 
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This what most of this board voted for. So breathe it all in and enjoy.
I WANT ALL THE TARIFFS.

You free trade morons are the biggest suckers around. They have absolutely decimated small towns who used to have manufacturing.

The fact that you let dickbags like Rand Paul trick you into believing that "ALL IS WELL" is some dumbass ****.
 
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If we remove government spending, our economy has shown very little growth since at least 2008.
It's grown about 23% if you took out all Federal Government spending. Again, not sure why you think you need to remove government spending. Not all of government spending is with borrowed money. This past year alone there was about 5 trillion worth of spending that was not borrowed.
 

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One more post about how my daughter's apparel company is going to deal with tariffs, then I will stand aside and let the shouting resume:

First thing that happened yesterday was the exec team sat her down and asked her who they should keep if they proceed with layoffs (which probably will happen), so that was uncomfortable, since she had to call balls and strikes on her co workers - and bear in mind, this is a profitable company, was not planning layoffs before last week. Also, told her forget about bonus this year, not going to happen, which was a big part of her compensation, but she is pretty well paid, so that was not totally unexpected or a hardship for her anyway.

Second, was told don't even bother calling foreign vendors to ask them to eat the tariffs, they are on a small margin (10-15%) themselves and will not even pick up the phone to discuss.

Third, they are considering a line item on their new pricing to specifically show the tariff, e.g., new dress $100 + $40 tariff = $140 (I think that is pretty clever)

Fourth, going to just hunker down for the spring season and hope this blows over quickly, but after summer starts, the **** could hit the fan.

PS: Her husband is an inhouse architect for a large national recreation retail company, and although he is not exec team or director, they have many of the same issues (they also sell outdoor clothing, for one thing + bikes which are largely made overseas)
 

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It's grown about 23% if you took out all Federal Government spending. Again, not sure why you think you need to remove government spending. Not all of government spending is with borrowed money. This past year alone there was about 5 trillion worth of spending that was not borrowed.

Yeah, I can't find any data that supports that notion other than Lutnick mentioning that while advocating for removing government spending from GDP.

You can say the growth is unsustainable and appears to be based on nothing but, truthfully, we've been carried by overvalued tech for a long time that was thrown into hyper drive by AI.

Its why the Deepseek news absolutely jolted the markets earlier this year.
 
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I’m just glad now that everyone is in agreement taxes on companies really hurt the economy and consumers, getting income tax cuts passed should be a breeze.

We’ve been in a private market recession for two + years. I’ve been screaming that from the rooftop based on data I see from my clients.
 

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I’m just glad now that everyone is in agreement taxes on companies really hurt the economy and consumers, getting income tax cuts passed should be a breeze.

We’ve been in a private market recession for two + years. I’ve been screaming that from the rooftop based on data I see from my clients.
Hegseth just floated a $1 trillion Defense budget while we are cutting the IRS which is the only agency which actually collects revenue for the federal government (Audits are at least a forty year low) - And I think we all agree that getting closer to a balanced budget is very important - so how do you see further tax cuts helping the situation?
 

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I’m just glad now that everyone is in agreement taxes on companies really hurt the economy and consumers, getting income tax cuts passed should be a breeze.

We’ve been in a private market recession for two + years. I’ve been screaming that from the rooftop based on data I see from my clients.

Kinda dishonest to say taxes hurt businesses when they increase by a range of 10 to 104 (or 124 in some cases) percent. That's absolutely nothing like a traditional tax increase on a business and they will pass those on to the consumer too.

There are sectors of our economy that have lagged since 2022 that are directly tied to global inflation and other factors. Housing is a prime example. There are other sectors of our economy that have been white hot. It's a mixed bag.
 

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Hegseth just floated a $1 trillion Defense budget while we are cutting the IRS which is the only agency which actually collects revenue for the federal government (Audits are at least a forty year low) - And I think we all agree that getting closer to a balanced budget is very important - so how do you see further tax cuts helping the situation?
So, they wanna raise military spending by 150,000,000,000?
 

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Hegseth just floated a $1 trillion Defense budget while we are cutting the IRS which is the only agency which actually collects revenue for the federal government (Audits are at least a forty year low) - And I think we all agree that getting closer to a balanced budget is very important - so how do you see further tax cuts helping the situation?

Defense should be cut too. Zero base budget it from the ground up.

IRS needs to modernize technology, not add bodies. Congress needs to eliminate the free file alliance. If we’re going to have mandatory filings for everyone, you shouldn’t have to submit all your data to TurboTax (who already has it) to then forward it to the IRS who already has it. That covers the vast majority of filers.

If you want to collect more taxes, the system needs simplification not more auditors.

Small businesses have been getting crushed as bonus depreciation sunsetted, R&D became capitalizable, 163(j) became far more impactful and interest rates skyrocketed.
 

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I think people worry too much about the market and tend to forget about the impacts on small business.
Totally agree, my company right now has containers crossing the Pacific on cargo ships full of goods that are now double the cost of when they left. Our suppliers overseas are working with us but they can't absorb all of the additional cost.

Another important factor is the lack of time to prepare. If we knew tariffs would go in to place in 30 or 60 days then we could quote pricing to include the increase cost. But, this back and forth every other day makes pricing things accurately impossible and in the end it leads to us selling less because we don't want to potentially lose money on orders. This then starts the domino effect of less revenue means less profit which means we hire less or give out smaller raises and bonuses etc etc.
 

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Kinda dishonest to say taxes hurt businesses when they increase by a range of 10 to 104 (or 124 in some cases) percent. That's absolutely nothing like a traditional tax increase on a business and they will pass those on to the consumer too.

There are sectors of our economy that have lagged since 2022 that are directly tied to global inflation and other factors. Housing is a prime example. There are other sectors of our economy that have been white hot. It's a mixed bag.

The sectors I’m talking about specifically are D2C national presence retail/discretionary spend. Consumers have not been spending money, or have been opting for less expensive/quality items for necessary purchases. You could see the recession in American consumer behavior over the past couple years. I was saying that at the time, regardless of the jobs and GDP numbers the Biden admin was printing.

I’ve not done the math, but what percent do you think taxes have been going up for your average small business these past few years? Interest expense deduction is limited (as interest skyrockets), capital expensing drops off 20% every year, R&D became non deductible. If nothing happens, at year end, taxes jump 20% across the board on all pass through entities.
 

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Kinda dishonest to say taxes hurt businesses when they increase by a range of 10 to 104 (or 124 in some cases) percent. That's absolutely nothing like a traditional tax increase on a business and they will pass those on to the consumer too.

There are sectors of our economy that have lagged since 2022 that are directly tied to global inflation and other factors. Housing is a prime example. There are other sectors of our economy that have been white hot. It's a mixed bag.
You’re assuming some, if not most countries won’t just eat the tariffs instead of risking losing the US consumer.

The US consumer is the meat on the bone, we are what drives the revenue for the countries exports.
If prices go up on Chinese products we will look elsewhere or buy products made here.
Either way we win.
 
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I’m just glad now that everyone is in agreement taxes on companies really hurt the economy and consumers, getting income tax cuts passed should be a breeze.
Agree. But getting thru House is being a PITA. As bbis has pointed out often, getting this done would counteract the tariffs concerns.
 

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You’re assuming some, if not most countries won’t just eat the tariffs instead of risking losing the US consumer.
As I posted above my daughter's company's vendors are unequivocally saying they will not eat the tariffs

China is in a separate category for a lot of good reasons
 

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I only read pg 1 of this thread, so if some of the things have been covered in pgs 2-6, I apologize.

1. Tariffs on a large, aggressive scale like this. While, it "can" work.....and if it does, then Trump deserves massive credit for doing something impressive. But the risk is YUGE. You could be risking a global trade war and recession. It's not the route I would've used, but here we are.......we'll have to see how it plays out.

2. There absolutely is a plan......but it would be foolish to come out and say it to the public. However, there are indications out there if you know where to look.

For example, look at Javier Milei in Argentina. He is a very eccentric economist who was recently elected. He made some news with the following 1' minute video.




But to explain what kind of effect he's had on Argentina, I present the following 35' min video.



This longer video does get a little bogged down in the political past of Argentina, but the gist is that Milei took over......dismantled a bunch of departments......streamlined the gov't.......removed a METRIC TON of bureaucracy and red-tape.......and put in place tariffs. He ripped the band-aid off extremely fast when he was sworn in. Things worsened during the first 6 months, but during the subsequent 6 months saw an economic boon that Argentina hadn't seen in a super long time.

Oh, and by the way Milei attended Trump's inauguration and has met with him many, many times.

Is this Trump's plan? No, clue, but it seems to have a LOT of the same tells. Will this work in the US as it has thus far in Argentina? Well, we'll see.


3. Are the Tariffs a bargaining chip or are they here to stay? My first thought is that they are mostly bargaining chips. There are already >70 countries who have already contacted the US about trade negotiations. I would expect deals to get done quickly with these countries. The issue is going to be with the big boys like China. I doubt China will back down to just the US alone. However, if the US can get trade deals in place with entities like the EU and other major countries, they can gang up on China to help force trade deals. So, I think that the vast majority of these tariffs will likely be reduced very soon.

However, Milei in Argentina did retain some tariffs to help promote growth from within.....so, I would anticipate that a good number of the Trump tariffs to stick around (but my guess is at a significantly reduced amount)


4. The notion that it takes decades to bring back factories, jobs, infrastructure, etc and therefore won't help. I don't get this line of thinking. Sure, deals can fall through, but even just the announcing of such deals is big for the US economy in general. For example, as of Oct of Biden's time in office, he was able to boast about $900 million of new investments into the US with a total of about 700,000 jobs created. He deserves praise for getting this done. Sure, it might take a decade for this money and jobs to actually come to reality, but do you think it would be better served if that money/jobs went to another country?

For some contrast, as of right now Trump has secured >$2.2 trillion worth of investments as of March 21st.



 

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As I posted above my daughter's company's vendors are unequivocally saying they will not eat the tariffs

China is in a separate category for a lot of good reasons
I’m not talking about your daughter’s company, I’m talking about the nation the product is made eating the cost.

They don’t want to lose the US consumer, or the company producing the product in their nation.
 

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I never thought Trump and administration ever articulated a comprehensive and detailed thesis of why tariffs were being planned for use, it always seemed to me that the talking points were far too simplistic and did not explain the approach, reasoning and the timeline. Recent news reports on the back history, second-guessing and infighting concerning the approach are very concerning and disheartening. The uncertainty is unsettling to the markets and the world right now, unfortunately.
 
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I think people worry too much about the market and tend to forget about the impacts on small business.
I've always understood an "efficient" stock market is based on economic forecasts, out six months to a year, for business (both large and small), as the value of an investment is based on the prospects for earnings and the generation of cash from operations. I do not see the stock market impacting business, as much as I see the prospects for and sentiment toward an economic slowdown being reflected in the stock market.
 

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I’m not talking about your daughter’s company, I’m talking about the nation the product is made eating the cost.

They don’t want to lose the US consumer, or the company producing the product in their nation.
Well, I disagree, many of these countries, e.g. Cambodia and Vietnam are very poor and have very little discretionary money to pay for American products or for tariffs

But your post is one theory, I will concede, and so we'll see how it plays out
 

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The sectors I’m talking about specifically are D2C national presence retail/discretionary spend. Consumers have not been spending money, or have been opting for less expensive/quality items for necessary purchases. You could see the recession in American consumer behavior over the past couple years. I was saying that at the time, regardless of the jobs and GDP numbers the Biden admin was printing.

I’ve not done the math, but what percent do you think taxes have been going up for your average small business these past few years? Interest expense deduction is limited (as interest skyrockets), capital expensing drops off 20% every year, R&D became non deductible. If nothing happens, at year end, taxes jump 20% across the board on all pass through entities.

Then let's extend the small business provisions from the tax law passed in 2017. Extending the cuts across the board is both costly and has proven to be ridiculously top heavy.

While we are at it, keep the standard deduction changes and tax credits for those who qualify. But, realistically, the progressive brackets aren't drastically different for the middle class under the law (most filers are in the first four brackets and would see a 3-10% increase).

To me, this is no different than picking apart the ACA. There are plenty of components to Trumps tax bill that are great, and you'd be a fool to disagree.

We aren't in a position, especially now, to be cutting taxes and adding to the debt. Now, I know republicans seem poised to cut in Medicaid and other entitlements to offset, but in willing to bet they change their tune before the mid term elections. It's why they want to pass the frame work now and kick the can down the road until later.

Ultimately the cost will be added to the debt.

I don't process taxes for clients anymore but do whole heartedly agree with your sentiment on the IRS. I believe most of our W-2, non itemized filers are audited via a computer program now and the physical staff at the IRS is intended to audit both corporations and far more complex filers. There is money to be saved there.

I'd say we probably agree more than disagree on these policies.
 

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Well, I disagree, many of these countries, e.g. Cambodia and Vietnam are very poor and have very little discretionary money to pay for American products or for tariffs

But your post is one theory, I will concede, and so we'll see how it plays out

I wasn't following the notion that a country would pay the tariff either, I just don't think that happens with a smaller country like Vietnam. As you stated earlier, US companies can see if the foreign vendor will eat the increased cost but they tend to work on even smaller margins.

Lutnick stated the other day that he wants to end the trade deficit with Vietnam. In order to do that Vietnam would have to buy 50% of its Gdp from the US. You have to believe they are talking tough to get deals done but that doesn't even seem right because Vietnam was one of the first countries to offer 0 tariffs.

Surely something breaks with this soon.
 
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You’re assuming some, if not most countries won’t just eat the tariffs instead of risking losing the US consumer.

The US consumer is the meat on the bone, we are what drives the revenue for the countries exports.
If prices go up on Chinese products we will look elsewhere or buy products made here.
Either way we win.

I think some countries (like China) will support their economy with stimulus and we have all but guaranteed farmers that we will be sending them a monthly check now, so it's possible.

I think the bigger issue is that no one seems to understand what we want. Is it 0 tariffs? Increased US exports? Or is it actually bringing back manufacturing?

This is why messaging matters. It sounds like Trump and most of his team is trying to calm the markets while Lutnick/Navarro are hell bent on ending all trade deficits.

Truly, we sat down at a table with the world, pulled a pin on a grenade, sat it on the table and told them to negotiate.

Bold strategy, for sure.
 
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