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Ever noticed how we only talked about this under Lenny, Slophead and Croominator? Players appearing out of shape and rampant injuries didn’t happen as much under Jackie, Mullen or Leach.

Stuff isn’t rocket science. Mark Rippetoe will tell you that. The S&C coach don’t matter either, any idiot can make D1 athletes look good.

But if you make D1 athletes look bad, there’s a culture problem.
 

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Ever noticed how we only talked about this under Lenny, Slophead and Croominator? Players appearing out of shape and rampant injuries didn’t happen as much under Jackie, Mullen or Leach.

Stuff isn’t rocket science. Mark Rippetoe will tell you that. The S&C coach don’t matter either, any idiot can make D1 athletes look good.

But if you make D1 athletes look bad, there’s a culture problem.
Who was the guy we had several years ago promoted as "Body by 'somebody'"?
 

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I’d argue S&C coaching staff is your most important one - they spend the most time with the team and help set the culture

You also have an alum in Birmingham at
 

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So, I’m assuming Leach Beach has been replaced? Surely, that muda grass hasn’t filled in totally.
 
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Lebby has assembled one of the strongest, most scheme specific strength and conditioning staffs in college football that is perfectly tailored for his ultra up tempo, high volume offense that demands elite speed and endurance. Shaud Williams spent 6 years at Oregon as top assistant S&C coach in a program known for speed and fast tempo. No generic power lifting program here, this staff engineers athletes for Lebby’s tempo and high snap style. Our S&C coaches are arguably the most perfectly matched for what our athletes are asked to do under Lebby’s scheme.
 
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We didn’t run even close to as many plays per game with those other coaches, Mr Einstein.
Noodle me this….how many offensive plays did we run in the 2021-2022 and the 2022-2023 seasons versus the 2025-2026 season.

Also, do you actually think the physical offensive styles that Sherrill and Mullen had are comparable to whatever Lebby’s doing? During the Sherrill era, opponents often complained about how they may have won on the scoreboard, their hodies paid for it the rest of the week.
 
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Mullen 2017 62.6 offensive plays per game (~64 in 2014)
More head: 2018/19 64.5
Lebby 65.6 and 71.6
We ran 78 plays per game. Last 3 games we averaged 82. You do realize that running 78 plays per game vs 62, is 20-25% more plays run over the course of a season. Not to mention the time between plays is cut in half 15-20 seconds. Our S&C coaches are specific on our athletes training for these differences. As soon as we keep adding the talent depth we will be more than fine. 2-3 more years
 
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We ran 78 plays per game. Last 3 games we averaged 82. You do realize that running 78 plays per game vs 62, is 20-25% more plays run over the course of a season. Not to mention the time between plays is cut in half 15-20 seconds. Our S&C coaches are specific on our athletes training for these differences.
I used grok initially
From hailstate:
2025: 940 offensive plays - 72.6 per game
2019: 844 offensive plays - 64.9 per game
2017: 987 offensive plays - 75.9 per game
 

grinningmule

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We ran 78 plays per game. Last 3 games we averaged 82. You do realize that running 78 plays per game vs 62, is 20-25% more plays run over the course of a season. Not to mention the time between plays is cut in half 15-20 seconds. Our S&C coaches are specific on our athletes training for these differences. As soon as we keep adding the talent depth we will be more than fine. 2-3 more years

Lebby has assembled one of the strongest, most scheme specific strength and conditioning staffs in college football that is perfectly tailored for his ultra up tempo, high volume offense that demands elite speed and endurance. Shaud Williams spent 6 years at Oregon as top assistant S&C coach in a program known for speed and fast tempo. No generic power lifting program here, this staff engineers athletes for Lebby’s tempo and high snap style. Our S&C coaches are arguably the most perfectly matched for what our athletes are asked to do under Lebby’s scheme.
If what you stated is true then it just reinforces that Lebby is a ******* moron and so are his S&C coaches. You don't scheme S&C. If your S&C sessions look like a high intensity practice session then you are over doing the conditioning. Players get all the drills and conditioning they need in pre-season practice and during the season. Strength is the low hanging fruit. You aren't going to make an athlete a better athlete by having them do a bunch of sports specific drills; they can already do all of that stuff because guess what? They are genetically gifted athletes. At the end of the day if you take two evenly matched athletes in size, weight and skill the strongest will win every ******* time.
 
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Mullens last year , he ran more plays per game, won more games
Lebby’s high volume tempo of 78-80 plays per game stands out more impressively in today’s modern college football, where games are shorter on average than during Mullen’s years. Because of rule changes, Lebby is cramming 78-80 into a shorter window, and that requires and even faster more extreme pace. That is a much tougher feat needing elite conditioning that our S&C coaches have tailored too.
 

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Lebby couldn't fine tune a radio with a knob, much less athletes to run 75 plays a game.

What good does S&C do to run a lot of plays if they aren't strong enough to stand up to the abuse of those plays? That's the O.

The D definitely needs to be bigger, stronger. We're not playing teams running 75 plays a game. If not big enough and strong enough to control the line, there is no chance.
 

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Lebby’s high volume tempo of 78-80 plays per game stands out more impressively in today’s modern college football, where games are shorter on average than during Mullen’s years. Because of rule changes, Lebby is cramming 78-80 into a shorter window, and that requires and even faster more extreme pace. That is a much tougher feat needing elite conditioning that our S&C coaches have tailored too.
You are a dumbass. Ultra marathon runners have "elite" conditioning and I can push them over with a finger. Players who get pushed around in the 4th quarter are weak, both in spirit and body.
 
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If what you stated is true then it just reinforces that Lebby is a ******* moron and so are his S&C coaches. You don't scheme S&C. If your S&C sessions look like a high intensity practice session then you are over doing the conditioning. Players get all the drills and conditioning they need in pre-season practice and during the season. Strength is the low hanging fruit. You aren't going to make an athlete a better athlete by having them do a bunch of sports specific drills; they can already do all of that stuff because guess what? They are genetically gifted athletes. At the end of the day if you take two evenly matched athletes in size, weight and skill the strongest will win every ******* time.
So you want Lebby to run the nation’s fastest offense but use a generic, one size fits all S&C program? Sure, let’s give the guy who runs more plays than almost anyone in America a vanilla S&C program designed for a 62 play huddle offense. What could go wrong? Every successful up tempo coach in history built their S&C around speed, conditioning, and depth for their exact scheme. Criticizing this is just another way of saying you don’t or didn’t actually want the style of football you and others on here claimed you did. Just admit that at least.
 
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grinningmule

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So you want Lebby to run the nation’s fastest offense but use a generic, one size fits all S&C program? Sure, let’s give the guy who runs more plays than almost anyone in America a vanilla S&C program designed for a 62 play huddle offense. What could go wrong? Every successful up tempo coach in history built their S&C around speed, conditioning, and depth for their exact scheme. Criticizing this is just another way of saying you don’t or didn’t actually want the style of football you and others on here claimed you did. Just admit that at least.
Just admit that you are a dumbass that doesn't know jack **** about strength and conditioning.
 
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You are a dumbass. Ultra marathon runners have "elite" conditioning and I can push them over with a finger. Players who get pushed around in the 4th quarter are weak, both in spirit and body.
You should be banned. Cursing personal attacks. Someone ban this person please.
 

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You should be banned. Cursing personal attacks. Someone ban this person please.
Tantrum Crying GIF
 

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Hey JackWagon Rogers - what is your source for your stats?
His arse... that's where his head stays. Same 5 posts in twelve different threads. I've yet to use the ignore function on the verge now. This guy has gotten ridiculous. Noodle arm needs to move on. We all moved on from him.
 
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His arse... that's where his head stays. Same 5 posts in twelve different threads. I've yet to use the ignore function on the verge now. This guy has gotten ridiculous. Noodle arm needs to move on. We all moved on from him.
I don’t know what he’s asking which stats? About the rule change that shortened the game? And why the personal attacks?
 

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This “so called great” strength and conditioning coach and staff is the reason our defensive line gets pushed 5yrds back by a middle of the pack ACC team. Why we have very little pass rush. Why our offensive line can’t block their grandmother.
 

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We ran 78 plays per game. Last 3 games we averaged 82. You do realize that running 78 plays per game vs 62, is 20-25% more plays run over the course of a season. Not to mention the time between plays is cut in half 15-20 seconds. Our S&C coaches are specific on our athletes training for these differences. As soon as we keep adding the talent depth we will be more than fine. 2-3 more years
How you gonna do this when you turn the roster over every year

I’m not saying don’t use the portal, I’m simply saying that Heavy Lenny is not doing what you’re saying because he has no plan for crootin

Heck many of our contributors were Leach guys

The shlt you’re talking about just puts wear and tear on guys
 

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Using your link
2014 - 80.3 plays
2015 - 75.3
2016 - 73.3
2017 - 76.2
2018 - 65.9
2019 - 67
2021 - 78.9
2022 - 74
2024 - 69.6
2025 - 77.3

Oops - I’m not sure this data is proving what you wanted it to prove except further proof of incompetence
Scoring defense
2014 - 22.2
2015 - 24.1
2016 - 31.1 (6-7)
2017 - 22.7
2018 - 13.8
2019 - 30.7 (6-7)
2021 - 27.9
2022 - 24.4
2024 - 36.5 (2-10)
2025 - 32.8 (5-8)
 
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So why don’t we win more games? I don’t give a damn about how many offensive plays we run, I just want to win more games.
Two years ago in 2023 the same threads were full of ‘We’re bored! Arnett’s offense is trash! Get us a real Air Raid guy or someone who’ll run fast yo temp explosive plays and sling it everywhere, and take more deep shots!
We did exactly that- Lebby runs the 2nd most plays in America with the fastest tempo in America and hangs 30+ points a game. Now suddenly your back tracking along with the same posters saying plays don’t matter, just win? You can’t say ‘I don’t care how many plays’ after spending 2023 begging for a high tempo coach who’d run exactly that many. If you don’t care about number plays and just wins, go root for Vanderbilt or Navy because they sure don’t run many. And they’re boring for sure. Be patient with what you wanted and ordered- which also includes giving the specific S&C coaches time to train our guys for Lebby’s extreme pace if play. 2-3 more years and we’ll be running circles around most others. It takes time building from scratch with this style.
 

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I might be wrong but it looked to me like most of our team was hungover. Strength and conditioning coaches can’t do much for you if you tie one on the night before the game.
I thought this too. Especially with how bad KT was cramping. I've never seen anybody cramp that bad from not drinking
 
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How you gonna do this when you turn the roster over every year

I’m not saying don’t use the portal, I’m simply saying that Heavy Lenny is not doing what you’re saying because he has no plan for crootin

Heck many of our contributors were Leach guys

The shlt you’re talking about just puts wear and tear on guys
You’re the one who tries to make fun of Rundabawl ect. You got exactly the style you demanded- fast, explosive, high play count Air Raid type throwing the ball. You even got your niche offense- in being the fasted pace tempo between plays in America. That is the definition of niche.
Now your crawfishing because the defense can’t hang, or because of questioning depth, or wear and tear? That’s not the tempo’s fault. That’s admitting you didn’t understand what it takes to actually run the offense you wanted. You’re breathing out of your mouth. The tempo isn’t the problem- that is the price of admission for the exciting football you claimed you wanted. Every complaint about fatigue/injuries/defense is just code for- I didn’t realize this style requires elite conditioning and depth. You are the biggest hypocrite on this board and actually have the least knowledge of what you’re talking about. What happened to all the people who push back against you? What happens to them? All that left on this board is the same group of people who think they know it all because they got rid of anyone else who shows their ignorance.
Bottom line- you asked for the high speed niche sports car. You got it. Now you’re complaining about the gas mileage and tire wear and price if insurance. Either ride it out while the pit crew (recruiting/S&C) catches up, or admit you’d rather have the minivan back.
And again, you should be banned for wishing death upon me and wanting me to kill myself. I am calling for your ban. That was uncalled for for and should result in a ban. You yourself have called for others to be banned for far less. If what you said to me doesn’t constitute a ban from this board then that shows ultimate hypocrisy.
 

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And again, you should be banned for wishing death upon me and wanting me to kill myself. I am calling for your ban. That was uncalled for for and should result in a ban. You yourself have called for others to be banned for far less. If what you said to me doesn’t constitute a ban from this board then that shows ultimate hypocrisy.