Suck it up. Next year is the year Flood will be judged.

[newell138]

I have believed all along that even when we finish 3-8 this administration will not be firing Flood. That if they wanted to it would have been done after the team disciplinary problems and the email issue. That being said I have recently heard from someone in touch w/ the BOG that changes will be made. So I'm feeling a little better now than I did last week. I just hope he is accurate in his statement.

 

[RUsSKii]

What the few posters left advocating for Flood don't realize is that regardless of record, Flood permanently lost a lot of people's support after the extent of his academic transgressions with Barnwell were revealed and the numerous player arrests/dismissals occurred in short succession. I want him to be fired for thoroughly embarrassing my alma mater with his actions and lack of control of the football program, plain and simple.

A new college football coach at any school with reasonable expectations is normally given approximately 3 years to prove themselves, except in extreme cases like Schiano's, where he came to a 'doormat' Rutgers football basically devoid of talented players. In nearly 4 seasons, Flood has something along the lines of a 4-23 record versus winning teams. We heard the "team is young" excuse in 2013 and are now hearing it again this year; that is a result of his continued sub-par recruiting and lack of key prospects at many positions. And even a young, inexperienced team is capable of playing well given proper schemes and good personnel management at various positions; it's abundantly clear that hasn't been the case except against the worst teams we have played and a good performance versus MSU.

The only way that Flood should reasonably even have a remote chance of saving his job for one more season is to win out the regular season and a bowl game (which would be a minor miracle, given the team's play to date). If that doesn't happen and he still keeps his job, the financial and fanbase implications will be severe. Regardless of that, many of us have seen enough to decide that Flood is not the man to lead Rutgers football to success or even mediocrity in the B1G conference. And except for tailgating and going to the games to cheer on the players for the rest of this season, we are not interested in "sucking it up".

 

[Knight Shift]

LOL...he was getting blown out in the AAC and his defenders said the team was young...now they are getting blown out in the Big 10 and his defenders say the team is young

2-20 vs above 500 power 5 schools says it all. His best wins in his tenure are Cincy and Maryand who had mediocre season themselves

The evidence is clear. This coaching staff is often overwhelmed during games most of the time at the beginning...and even games like Maryland and Indiana where RU rallied to win..these teams absolutely were housing Rutgers and the reason...the coaching staffs inability to gameplan

No we don't need more evidence. We have seen the delusional insistence on never yanking a quarterback. We saw it with Nova, now we see it with a totally ineffective

its comical when you say let him coach next season to show what he can do...we know what he can do

I agree we don't need more evidence. I would like to see change.

However, in Schiano's last 4 seasons, he was 8-17 against above 500 power 5 schools, and losses to a putrid 5-7 UConn (2011), a loss to 4-8 Sadexcuse in 2009, and a loss to a 4-8 Tulane in 2010, prior to the Army game.

I'm not saying we should keep Flood. But we were going sideways after 2006 and paying a lot more for the head coach. I would not be surprisedif Flood is retained. I will not be happy with this, but what can I do to change it? Some of you have to understand that this is Rutgers, it is what we do--the inexplicable. Maybe we should hire lawyers to coach the team--we have probably paid lawyers more out of the athletics budget in the last 3 years than we have paid Coach Flood.

 

[RU2055]

Flood supporters and reality are so far apart it's not even funny.

BTW, for comparison, TCU lost half their defense to injuries before the season even started. They were forced to play freshmen - NOT JUST THE SECONDARY BUT EVERYWHERE. How are they doing?

There's always a dam excuse when it comes to Flood.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I agree we don't need more evidence. I would like to see change.

However, in Schiano's last 4 seasons, he was 8-17 against above 500 power 5 schools, and losses to a putrid 5-7 UConn (2011), a loss to 4-8 Sadexcuse in 2009, and a loss to a 4-8 Tulane in 2010, prior to the Army game.

I'm not saying we should keep Flood. But we were going sideways after 2006 and paying a lot more for the head coach. I would not be surprisedif Flood is retained. I will not be happy with this, but what can I do to change it? Some of you have to understand that this is Rutgers, it is what we do--the inexplicable. Maybe we should hire lawyers to coach the team--we have probably paid lawyers more out of the athletics budget in the last 3 years than we have paid Coach Flood.

I'm not going to knock Greg. Without him, we wouldn't be sitting here arguing about the future of the program. That said, his shortcomings in certain areas are well documented here. To point to his "slide" does nothing to move the needle on Flood, imo.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

I agree we don't need more evidence. I would like to see change.

However, in Schiano's last 4 seasons, he was 8-17 against above 500 power 5 schools, and losses to a putrid 5-7 UConn (2011), a loss to 4-8 Sadexcuse in 2009, and a loss to a 4-8 Tulane in 2010, prior to the Army game.

I'm not saying we should keep Flood. But we were going sideways after 2006 and paying a lot more for the head coach. I would not be surprisedif Flood is retained. I will not be happy with this, but what can I do to change it? Some of you have to understand that this is Rutgers, it is what we do--the inexplicable. Maybe we should hire lawyers to coach the team--we have probably paid lawyers more out of the athletics budget in the last 3 years than we have paid Coach Flood.

I tend to agree with you. That said, 8-17 vs above .500 P5 teams under Flood could have meant a BCS bowl. The delta between 2-20 and 8-17 is large (not that I'm bragging about 8-17). Point is, we're regressing.

 

[Vejai]

Flood should have been fired with cause after the university report came out. End of story.

 

[CERU00]

That light at the end of the tunnel?

It's a train. A train called "Report on Academic Misconduct in the Football Program."

You don't hire a second MILLION DOLLAR outside investigator for them to return no findings.

Use your head for something beside a place for your hat to rest

I so want this to be right... How confident are we that this train gets back to the station on time... Knowing this admin it could very well be delayed well into the spring.

 

[Knight Shift]

Yes. thank god the board is filled with petulant children.

I used to be in the keep Flood camp, but I am far from what you would call a petulant child. Three years of what we have seen is enough to warrant change. Of course, as I stated above, it would not surprise me if Flood is not fired at the end of this year. On the other hand, it would not surprise if Flood is fired at the end of this year if the handling of our last three basketball coach terminations is any indicator. Nothing surprises me when it comes to Rutgers decisions.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Rutgers is not going to fire Flood this year for a multitude of reasons. Most relevant to the current mood of these message boards is that getting blown out by the B1G elite is much more about a very young, inexperienced Rutgers facing several teams in their prime (who happen to have much more talent as well).
Next year our team will have the benefit of having gone through this season. I think it will make a difference the better, but more importantly, it will be the time for Flood to show what he can do. A much more competitive team should be expected.

Don't bother bringing up the various scandals from the beginning of this season. If Flood were to be fired for that it would have happened then. Barchi said that he expects KF as head coach next season.

So suck it up and be patient. Two things can happen next year. Rutgers has a very good season and KF is vindicated, or we crap the bed and KF is let go. Then you can all have what you want. Just show at least a tiny amount of patience.

I wasn't happy to see Flood named coach in the first place and I'm not happy about having Flood around for another season (or two). But I think your assessment of the situation is correct.

I think had we not had the loss of so many returning defensive players this season (the secondary to arrests, Hamilton to injury) that we might have been a bit more competitive against the elite teams simple due to better defense. Even with subpar coaching.

I think Hermann knows enough to know that we weren't likely to come into the Big Ten and start beating the elite teams when they're at or near the top of their games. And I think Barchi is more interested in short term finances than in building a football program that is competitive in the Big Ten.

Given all that, I think the administration's position, absent any more off-field incidents, was always going to be to give Flood a pass on this season regardless of what happens on the field (cue the McCarthyist haters).

But I think that, regardless of how Flood might do next season that he is not the guy to make RU reliably competitive against the elite teams. To be honest, I don't think it's the head coach so much as the coordinators that matter. Just to even compete in the Big Ten East, you need some very good football minds. It seems clear to me that we're being out-game-planned and out-adjusted. But what great-mind coordinators are going to come to RU to coach under Flood?

Flood is going with what he knows, which is hard-nosed straight ahead football. I just don't see us being able to win games against the better, deeper O and D lines the elite Big Ten teams can recruit by playing it straight up. Maybe after we start winning more and recruiting picks up some, we could. But not in the interim.

So Flood could win 8 games next season and I'd still think he needs to go. If he somehow wins 9 games and several are against Big Ten elite teams that finish with winning records, then maybe I'd extend him another year to see what happens. But I just don't see that happening.

Having said all that, I'm not going to start creating threads where we mock how he shakes hands with opposing coaches, or how he wipes his *** after taking a dump. I'll leave that to the haters.

 

[mildone_rivals]

That light at the end of the tunnel?

It's a train. A train called "Report on Academic Misconduct in the Football Program."

You don't hire a second MILLION DOLLAR outside investigator for them to return no findings.

Use your head for something beside a place for your hat to rest

If I had a dog, I'd offer to double our LoBro bet to 2 pounds. LOL

 

[RUbot]

Well um thanks, I guess.

I find it embarrassing that getting blown out in a few football games makes so many people much more upset about the emailgate scandal.

I find it equally humorous that if the team was very successful , most of those being critical of emailgate today would be defending the coach or hoping to sweep it under the rug if it were being raised as an issue by ESPN or nj.com

 

[mildone_rivals]

OP in not a troll, but this was a troll post.

He's too intelligent to believe the BS he wrote. It's embarrassing apologist spin.

Nah, it wasn't a troll post. It was a thoughtful post in many ways.

You're much too intelligent to behave in such an unthinking, McCarthyist-bully, apologist kind of way.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Wow. One losing season is enough to drive everyone away. Some fans.

We've seen some of the same people claiming that they will go away before. Most will be back no matter what. As usual.

 

[RU2055]

I find it equally humorous that if the team was very successful , most of those being critical of emailgate today would be defending the coach or hoping to sweep it under the rug if it were being raised as an issue by ESPN or nj.com

Right .... so you covered both angles. Typical of a Flood defender.

 

[mildone_rivals]

You mean two losing seasons in three years, right?

Pretty much everyone will still be back. All these silly threats to leave are like children saying they're going to hold their breath if they don't get their way.

Shhhhhh.... be vewy, vewy qwuiet and wisten to me. I am wawning you. Fiya Fwood aw I won't be back. [roll]

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

LOL...he was getting blown out in the AAC and his defenders said the team was young...now they are getting blown out in the Big 10 and his defenders say the team is young

2-20 vs above 500 power 5 schools says it all. His best wins in his tenure are Cincy and Maryand who had mediocre season themselves

The evidence is clear. This coaching staff is often overwhelmed during games most of the time at the beginning...and even games like Maryland and Indiana where RU rallied to win..these teams absolutely were housing Rutgers and the reason...the coaching staffs inability to gameplan

No we don't need more evidence. We have seen the delusional insistence on never yanking a quarterback. We saw it with Nova, now we see it with a totally ineffective

its comical when you say let him coach next season to show what he can do...we know what he can do

We have waited way too long to fire almost every basketball and football coach that I can remember. Graber, Shea, Littlepage, Bannon, Hill, Rice, and IMO Flood and Jordan. We may have jumped the gun a little with Waters and only Young and Schiano left on their own and should not have been fired.

It seems once the momentum starts it only get drastically worse. We don't ever seem to have that guy who can rise form the ashes and become a solid coach after the vultures have circled.

When will we ever learn to cut our losses? Flood has been over his head since day 1. At least with Jordan, you sometimes sense his frustration and he will make some changes occasionally. Flood is just incredibly stubborn and I'm starting to think he is seriously delusional. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks we still have a shot at winning the B1G. It's kind of scary actually.

 

[studiokane]

Look. Here's my take. And no it's not apologist spin.
This season was stacked against Flood before it started. You simply can't win football games at a high level with so many freshman in the secondary, replacing 3/5 of the O-Line, and breaking-in and developing a Sophomore QB.
Added to that losing your only elite-level D-lineman to injury, and your NFL-ready receiver for half of the season due to a combination of things. These events would challenge Urban Meyer and Nick Saban - although Urban seems to have great QB's tucked away for whenever he needs them.

Next year we have all of these positions back (minus Caroo) with a year of hard experience. We also have an Elite 11 QB joining the roster. Next year is the year where Flood has a chance to make a name for himself. Or next year he fails and we move on to the next coaching staff.

Flood is young. I do believe he has shown that he can learn from mistakes. So, no, I have not seen enough of a sample.

Bear in mind that whatever new coach we hire would be as much of a gamble, IMO.

It's the same thing every year. We're always too young, or too decimated by injuries, or we have a great recruiting class coming in. Excuse after excuse after excuse. Other schools face the same issues, many have even less talent, yet they find a way to compete with better teams. What in the world has our head coach done this year to ever show he truly wants to go "1-0" (gag) any given week? If you want to point to one fake punt and one onsides kick, fine. He tries nothing different, week after week. He stays with the same rotations, playcalling (O and D), same QB even though the team desperately needs a spark, he refuses to try a different QB even though his game-managing starting QB has not led a TD drive in THREE WEEKS! But next year will be the year he really shows us what he is made of. That is very scary.

 

[RU2055]

We've seen some of the same people claiming that they will go away before. Most will be back no matter what. As usual.

If Flood is back next year and the embarrassing beatings continue, anonymous posters on a message board is not who we should be worried about. Tailgaters on grassy knoll is not who we should be worried about. Most of these fans you see here, especially the ones who are complaining, they've been here a long time. If they can sit through beatings from VT and Miami in empty stadiums during the 90s, they will seat through beatings in empty stadiums against the Michigans of the world.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Look. Here's my take. And no it's not apologist spin.
This season was stacked against Flood before it started. You simply can't win football games at a high level with so many freshman in the secondary, replacing 3/5 of the O-Line, and breaking-in and developing a Sophomore QB.
Added to that losing your only elite-level D-lineman to injury, and your NFL-ready receiver for half of the season due to a combination of things. These events would challenge Urban Meyer and Nick Saban - although Urban seems to have great QB's tucked away for whenever he needs them.

Next year we have all of these positions back (minus Caroo) with a year of hard experience. We also have an Elite 11 QB joining the roster. Next year is the year where Flood has a chance to make a name for himself. Or next year he fails and we move on to the next coaching staff.

Flood is young. I do believe he has shown that he can learn from mistakes. So, no, I have not seen enough of a sample.

Bear in mind that whatever new coach we hire would be as much of a gamble, IMO.

Unlike the folks who can't hear anything that isn't 100% Flood's fault anymore, I hear what you're saying about the problems the team has faced this season. And I think you're correct in that the admin has already considered that in keeping Flood around next season (if they do keep him).

However I completely disagree that Flood is the right guy regardless. He was never the right guy for this job. He will need to do his learning in a different situation where playing OSU/Michigan/MSU/PSU/etc is not a regular occurance. We need someone who already has the experience.

 

[brookdale-soda]

If this is the case, when Rutgers goes into turtle mode, I will too.

I can'twatch a Flood defense one more year in a row.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

If the OP is correct, then I am going to have a lot of more free time on Saturdays next year.

 

[mildone_rivals]

The only way that Flood should reasonably even have a remote chance of saving his job for one more season is to win out the regular season and a bowl game (which would be a minor miracle, given the team's play to date). If that doesn't happen and he still keeps his job, the financial and fanbase implications will be severe. Regardless of that, many of us have seen enough to decide that Flood is not the man to lead Rutgers football to success or even mediocrity in the B1G conference. And except for tailgating and going to the games to cheer on the players for the rest of this season, we are not interested in "sucking it up".

See, I don't think Flood should have ever had the job. And I don't think anything he does this season should allow him to keep it. But (a) I'm still totally unconvinced that the RU admin sees it that way and (b) firing Flood is the easy part; hiring a great new coaching staff should be the focus and, as Southern Gentleman pointed out in another thread, now may not be a good time to try to hire a new staff for us.

I think RU brings Flood back for one more season (maybe two, but probably not). Not what I want. But what I think will happen. Maybe RU will pony up for some better coordinators. But I'd be surprised by that too.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Rutgers is not going to fire Flood this year for a multitude of reasons. Most relevant to the current mood of these message boards is that getting blown out by the B1G elite is much more about a very young, inexperienced Rutgers facing several teams in their prime (who happen to have much more talent as well).
Next year our team will have the benefit of having gone through this season. I think it will make a difference the better, but more importantly, it will be the time for Flood to show what he can do. A much more competitive team should be expected.

Don't bother bringing up the various scandals from the beginning of this season. If Flood were to be fired for that it would have happened then. Barchi said that he expects KF as head coach next season.

So suck it up and be patient. Two things can happen next year. Rutgers has a very good season and KF is vindicated, or we crap the bed and KF is let go. Then you can all have what you want. Just show at least a tiny amount of patience.

Scarlet16E

I am going to only address your post....and the end of the post

1.) How on earth is Flood going to recruit the class of 2017 as a make or break year cloud over his head. If recruiting is tough enough already...this is 10000x worse next year. Seriosly, and I am not advocating it, if our administration thought he was the right man for the job,,,give him a real contract commitment and money to improve his staff.

2.) I am absolutely scared that we will waste a recruiting year next year, even if Flood is successful if around in 2016...which leads to the next pont

3.) If we wait another year...we potentially waste two recruiting classes...as the next guy will be in late and his real effect on recruiting wont be until his second year (class of 2018).....and that comes right as

4.) 2016 will be a very experienced team. Agreed. But look at how much we lose from 2016 to 2017. We graduate after 2016 6 offensive starters (Muller, Denman, Nelson, Arch, Patton and Grant) and 6 defensive starters (Hamilton, Lampert, Longa, Jacobs (I think he moves to will next year), Johnson, and Cioffi. 2017 will again be another transicition year like 2015 is...except who backfills the players that leave after 2016. Take a REAL hard objective look....and you will be scared on what's behind this. We really needed to be recruiting, recruiting, and recruiting some more now...and I don't see Flood doing that.

Instead, keep Flood and we could have a weak roster for several years to come

We need a new coach in here now to recruit recruit and recruit some more.....

if we wait, I really think the NEXT guy, after 2016, leaves us a hole for the next guys first 2-3 years of losing seasons...

This process needs to start over on December 1st...otherwise the we won't have 2-3 losing season...we will have 5 plus and the next guy may have a really big hole to get out of

 

[Phi_1055]

It's the common practice to give 5 years. At least it used to be.

I remember when Rutgers was criticized for firing coaches too quickly. For not being patient with them. The reaction to that criticism (partly) was why Greg Schiano made it to 2005 and our first bowl game in 27 years.

You give five years to a new coach who is trying to orchestrate a turnaround. Not to one who inherits a good team.

 

[mildone_rivals]

If the OP is correct, then I am going to have a lot of more free time on Saturdays next year.

Who do you think you're kidding? You'll be back just like always.

 

[RUbot]

I have believed all along that even when we finish 3-8 this administration will not be firing Flood. That if they wanted to it would have been done after the team disciplinary problems and the email issue. That being said I have recently heard from someone in touch w/ the BOG that changes will be made. So I'm feeling a little better now than I did last week. I just hope he is accurate in his statement.

So whose fault is it that we are a young team and some of the upper classmen recruiting classes haven't produced the talent level to compete?

I get it that people criticize the that you cannot use the "team is young excuse" multiple years in a row. However you need to be realistic and look a little deeper some times. In RU's case, in regard to the defensive backfield, due to very unusual circumstances, this unit has truly been very young for three years in a row now. Ever since the class of Cooper, Ryan and Harmon.. all NFL players, we have had a succession of player defections, off the field issues and injuries that has truly left us for three straight years with a defensive backfield with an inordinate amount of true freshman, red shirt freshman having to play major minutes each of these three years, well before they were ready for this level. Every time we seemed to have a freshman get experience at those positions, the next year he was unavailable for one reason or another, and we had to go through the same thing again. From starters who quit the team, to dismissals, to significant injuries, to offensive players having to be switched to defense. It is really amazing and unusual how these issues have hit this unit for three years in a row And I don't think anyone can argue the youth issue this year on offense. We are most definitely young at the positions that really make the offense click... OL and QB.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Scarlet16E

I am going to only address your post....and the end of the post

1.) How on earth is Flood going to recruit the class of 2017 as a make or break year cloud over his head. If recruiting is tough enough already...this is 10000x worse next year. Seriosly, and I am not advocating it, if our administration thought he was the right man for the job,,,give him a real contract commitment and money to improve his staff.

2.) I am absolutely scared that we will waste a recruiting year next year, even if Flood is successful if around in 2016...which leads to the next pont

3.) If we wait another year...we potentially waste two recruiting classes...as the next guy will be in late and his real effect on recruiting wont be until his second year (class of 2018).....and that comes right as

4.) 2016 will be a very experienced team. Agreed. But look at how much we lose from 2016 to 2017. We graduate after 2016 6 offensive starters (Muller, Denman, Nelson, Arch, Patton and Grant) and 6 defensive starters (Hamilton, Lampert, Longa, Jacobs (I think he moves to will next year), Johnson, and Cioffi. 2017 will again be another transicition year like 2015 is...except who backfills the players that leave after 2016. Take a REAL hard objective look....and you will be scared on what's behind this. We really needed to be recruiting, recruiting, and recruiting some more now...and I don't see Flood doing that.

Instead, keep Flood and we could have a weak roster for several years to come

We need a new coach in here now to recruit recruit and recruit some more.....

if we wait, I really think the NEXT guy, after 2016, leaves us a hole for the next guys first 2-3 years of losing seasons...

This process needs to start over on December 1st...otherwise the we won't have 2-3 losing season...we will have 5 plus and the next guy may have a really big hole to get out of

I want to see Flood go (never wanted him as head coach in the first place). But who exactly do you think we can realistically hire that will have some instantly great success at recruiting? Looks to me like anybody good (who we can't afford anyway) will already be claimed by other programs. I would love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I am.

Firing Flood is not the problem here. That's the easy part. Hiring a good new staff that can get us up and running within a couple seasons is the hard part.

 

[bamrinnj706]

I agree we don't need more evidence. I would like to see change.

However, in Schiano's last 4 seasons, he was 8-17 against above 500 power 5 schools, and losses to a putrid 5-7 UConn (2011), a loss to 4-8 Sadexcuse in 2009, and a loss to a 4-8 Tulane in 2010, prior to the Army game.

I'm not saying we should keep Flood. But we were going sideways after 2006 and paying a lot more for the head coach. I would not be surprisedif Flood is retained. I will not be happy with this, but what can I do to change it? Some of you have to understand that this is Rutgers, it is what we do--the inexplicable. Maybe we should hire lawyers to coach the team--we have probably paid lawyers more out of the athletics budget in the last 3 years than we have paid Coach Flood.

The sad thing is that if the right hire would have been made when Greg left, the program could have taken off. Instead we handed the reigns to a coach in no way qualified to run a program, a la Bill Stewart at West Virginia. Hopefully the damage done won't be so bad that a coach with an actual resume doesn't have to totally rebuild a new foundation.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I get it that people criticize the that you cannot use the "team is young excuse" multiple years in a row. However you need to be realistic and look a little deeper some times. In RU's case, in regard to the defensive backfield, due to very unusual circumstances, this unit has truly been very young for three years in a row now. Ever since the class of Cooper, Ryan and Harmon.. all NFL players, we have had a succession of player defections, off the field issues and injuries that has truly left us for three straight years with a defensive backfield with an inordinate amount of true freshman, red shirt freshman having to play major minutes each of these three years, well before they were ready for this level. Every time we seemed to have a freshman get experience at those positions, the next year he was unavailable for one reason or another, and we had to go through the same thing again. From starters who quit the team, to dismissals, to significant injuries, to offensive players having to be switched to defense. It is really amazing and unusual how these issues have hit this unit for three years in a row And I don't think anyone can argue the youth issue this year on offense. We are most definitely young at the positions that really make the offense click... OL and QB.

But in the end it doesn't really matter. Young, experienced, whatever.

If we want to be competitive against the elite teams of the Big Ten, then we have to have coaches that can do more with what we have (which is far less than the elite Big Ten teams). Other than the Fridge, we haven't had any coaches that seem capable of this during the Flood era.

It's time for a change. The only question is if the timing is bad enough that we should delay until after next season in the hopes that (a) we have raised more funds and (b) we have a bit less competition for available coaches.

 

[RUsSKii]

See, I don't think Flood should have ever had the job. And I don't think anything he does this season should allow him to keep it. But (a) I'm still totally unconvinced that the RU admin sees it that way and (b) firing Flood is the easy part; hiring a great new coaching staff should be the focus and, as Southern Gentleman pointed out in another thread, now may not be a good time to try to hire a new staff for us.

I think RU brings Flood back for one more season (maybe two, but probably not). Not what I want. But what I think will happen. Maybe RU will pony up for some better coordinators. But I'd be surprised by that too.

We agree on the bolded portion. As for (a), that is scary to me and why I refuse to sit around quietly and twiddle my thumbs waiting for something to happen. Enough of the fanbase and donor pool needs to be vocal in order to make it clear to the administration that the head coach's fate is not an easily ignored or inconsequential issue. For (b), I agree about it being the focus and it is my hope that ever since the initial investigation's conclusion and Flood's suspension was announced, Julie has been working behind the scenes on this exact thing. Fundraising toward and handling a new football coaching hire will likely be Julie's biggest make-or-break moment as AD. However, I disagree about proper timing in general, since coaches are fired and hired every year in college football, with the total variation insignificant to the available talent pool. In our case, waiting another year or two before making a coaching change will not net us any more revenue from the B1G than that which is being utilized toward eliminating the athletic subsidy, and will also result in a significant decrease in revenue from gameday tickets, parking passes, and donations from a multitude of fans not interested in watching a downward spiral in our coaching and team competitiveness.

 

[Knight Shift]

I'm not going to knock Greg. Without him, we wouldn't be sitting here arguing about the future of the program. That said, his shortcomings in certain areas are well documented here. To point to his "slide" does nothing to move the needle on Flood, imo.

Agreed. Was not meant to slam Greg, but only to show that Rutgers does not move fast on these things. To his credit, excepting 2010, he put up 8 and 9 win seasons since 2006, and for many Rutgers fans and for more decisions makers, that makes people complacent or happy.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Rutgers is not going to fire Flood this year for a multitude of reasons. Most relevant to the current mood of these message boards is that getting blown out by the B1G elite is much more about a very young, inexperienced Rutgers facing several teams in their prime (who happen to have much more talent as well).
Next year our team will have the benefit of having gone through this season. I think it will make a difference the better, but more importantly, it will be the time for Flood to show what he can do. A much more competitive team should be expected.

Don't bother bringing up the various scandals from the beginning of this season. If Flood were to be fired for that it would have happened then. Barchi said that he expects KF as head coach next season.

So suck it up and be patient. Two things can happen next year. Rutgers has a very good season and KF is vindicated, or we crap the bed and KF is let go. Then you can all have what you want. Just show at least a tiny amount of patience.

How do you explain away the blowouts to teams in their PRIME last year when Rutgers had an experience (PRIME) team with Nova and company? Teams like Ohio State, Michigan State and Michigan don't rebuild, they reload, so how is possible for Rutgers to just accept losing most year except for that one season every 5 years. And even with that one magical season in every 5 don't expect Rutgers to anything special because of where Flood has set the bar.

Show patience? I wasn't against or for Flood, but his latest actions make it hard to support him. In 2012 Flood had a stacked team and due to his mismanagement cost Rutgers a realistic chance of win a league title and go to a BCS bowl. Last year Flood had another team full of veterans and for the most part played well against the lesser teams, but against the better teams Rutgers was even competitive, so why should the fans expect anything different in 2016? Bottom line the better the competition the more Flood is exposed as a coach. No one expects Flood to win every game against elite competition, but being competitive isn't too much to ask.

 

[brookdale-soda]

I differ in opinion with some here. I don't think Flood being here another 1-2 years is going to destroy this program. he is able to recruit at a level where a good coach should be able to pick up the pieces and then build something. I don't think we will reach Terry Shea level like some are claiming.

My argument is that i don't enjoy watching his defense play uninspiring "bend and eventually break defense" for another season. And when other things compete for my time next season, those things will win (whatever they may be). I'll probably continue to support Rutgers with my donations but not with my attendance. I have a feeling there will be many feeling the same way. only 2-3 home games are competitive games. The expectation and predictability of these blowouts is what bothers me. Supporting the program is one thing if we can reasonably have some hope (for a single game or a longer term view). Without some short term or longer term hope, we are masochists!

 

[j10oreo]

Wow. One losing season is enough to drive everyone away. Some fans.

Is this just one losing season or is this a complete reversal in national perception in one season?

 

[ruman]

He could still go 7 - 6. Not likely but OP is probably right. Unless RU loses to Nebraska and MD.

In what sport?

 

[albanyknight]

Perhaps we need an intervention? When the NY Giants had feuding owners and kept making bad hires, the NFL recognizing the importance of a strong franchise in New York intervened in the daily operations of the Mara family and mediated the situation. Eventually Pete Rozelle hired George Young who drafted Phil Sims, Lawrence Taylor, hired Ray Perkins which led to Bill Parcels and the rest is history.

The situation is not the same here but it is in the sense that the State, the BOG, the President and the Athletic Department all seem to be on different pages.

Jim Delany took a major gamble by inviting Rutgers into the Big Ten and expand its footprint to the lucrative east coast market. Rutgers as a perennial Big Ten doormat does not bode well for either the Big Ten or Delany. If I was the AD, I would be enlisting the Commissioner to have a little chat with Barchi as to the symbiotic relationship between successful football and basketball programs and the value (both monetary and prestige) to its university.

I would then work with Julie Herman to come with the best person available for the job.

 

[NickyNewark51]

I get it that people criticize the that you cannot use the "team is young excuse" multiple years in a row. However you need to be realistic and look a little deeper some times. In RU's case, in regard to the defensive backfield, due to very unusual circumstances, this unit has truly been very young for three years in a row now. Ever since the class of Cooper, Ryan and Harmon.. all NFL players, we have had a succession of player defections, off the field issues and injuries that has truly left us for three straight years with a defensive backfield with an inordinate amount of true freshman, red shirt freshman having to play major minutes each of these three years, well before they were ready for this level. Every time we seemed to have a freshman get experience at those positions, the next year he was unavailable for one reason or another, and we had to go through the same thing again. From starters who quit the team, to dismissals, to significant injuries, to offensive players having to be switched to defense. It is really amazing and unusual how these issues have hit this unit for three years in a row And I don't think anyone can argue the youth issue this year on offense. We are most definitely young at the positions that really make the offense click... OL and QB.

Very astute evaluation and the same way I've been justifying things in my mind....after taking our lumps this yr i'm thinking DB and QB/RB rill be strengths soon as i mentioned here before . I'm not as sure about the OL....lets see how that pans out...I remember when we all wanted to bench Nova...

 

[mildone_rivals]

Is this just one losing season or is this a complete reversal in national perception in one season?

Um... what national perception?

 

[NickyNewark51]

In what sport?

Mds playing lights out for Mike Locksley right now and even Army's not a guaranteed W.....SCARY.