Suprise suprise no suspension by Slive
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Ok, for me, I think the other teams in the league from now on...
need to just tell Slive to GTH the next time he suspends a player and just let him know that it will be handled "internally" and none of his business.
All other schools should respond to any Slive suspensions by sending him
tapes of the Bama guy WWE suplexing that guy and this Bama hit on Murray, with a note that simply says, "we will suspend our guy when Bama suspends theirs, in the meantime we will have him write an apology letter."
tapes of the Bama guy WWE suplexing that guy and this Bama hit on Murray, with a note that simply says, "we will suspend our guy when Bama suspends theirs, in the meantime we will have him write an apology letter."
17ing typical. Slive couldn't suspend him for the next game because of its significance and couldn't suspend him for the first game next year because he is a senior. So, just let him slide.
It is either an offense that results in suspension or not. The point in the season or team's situation should not matter. Whoever is in the SEC championship game next year now has a blank check to be dirty as hell.
Looking at the situation objectively...hard to suspend someone for a legal hit. No such thing as helmet to helmet hit on a block. Now, the suplex thing is another story!
Ole Miss's DB didn't get a penalty either and they suspended him. I think it was Trae Elston.
Edit to add article - http://espn.go.com/college-football...ppi-rebels-trae-elston-suspended-one-game-sec
Edit to add article - http://espn.go.com/college-football...ppi-rebels-trae-elston-suspended-one-game-sec
From Edward Aschoff's blog...
Maybe you can argue that Murray wasn't defenseless. Maybe. If you try really hard. The pay was ending, he had clearly stopped pursuit, and Dial saw an opportunity. However, if you want to go with the play to the whistle thing, that's fine. Dial clearly took a huge crap on Rule 9-1-3. If he wanted to show out and send a message then he could have just laid a lick into his chest. It was blatantly obvious he was targeting the head with his helmet and trying to hurt Murray.
In other words... it wasn't a legal hit.
In other words... it wasn't a legal hit.
I don't think players "target" heads. When you are tying to blindside someone, you never went specifically for their head. I went to just knock the **** out of them. If their head is what I hit - it's what I hit.
Now you can go for knees, ankles, etc but I don't ever think a player blatantly tried to knock someone in the head.
Now you can go for knees, ankles, etc but I don't ever think a player blatantly tried to knock someone in the head.
I guess you could interpret that rule and say Murray was not defenseless. He was theoretically chasing a guy down. I don't know certain rules or what not, but I would think this falls under a blatant personal foul, one of those types that warrants ejection or suspension at the very least.
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plus, it's tougher to subject a defensive player to a high standard for blocking.
IMO, if the QB doesn't want to get blocked hard, go down to the ground after a turnover. it ain't touch football, if he's capable of making a tackle, he's fair game to be blocked, and blocked hard. if the league wants to protect QBs, then make them ineligible to be tacklers after a turnover. they'll be taught and trained to go to the ground after a turnover and will be safe.
IMO, if the QB doesn't want to get blocked hard, go down to the ground after a turnover. it ain't touch football, if he's capable of making a tackle, he's fair game to be blocked, and blocked hard. if the league wants to protect QBs, then make them ineligible to be tacklers after a turnover. they'll be taught and trained to go to the ground after a turnover and will be safe.
We'll agree to disagree on this. Because I don't think he went for his head on purpose. He went to knock the **** out of him and saw an opportunity to blindside a QB. Defensive lineman love that.
And let me clarify - I am not saying he should not be suspended. The conference has already set a precedent on this and he definitely should be suspended. But I don't think he came with the intention of going for a helmet to helmet hit. I honestly don't think that ever happens in a football game. When you are going to lay out a receiver on a crossing pattern as a DB or knock the quarterback, you are going in with cruel intentions to just knock the crap out of them. Not specifically for their head.
And let me clarify - I am not saying he should not be suspended. The conference has already set a precedent on this and he definitely should be suspended. But I don't think he came with the intention of going for a helmet to helmet hit. I honestly don't think that ever happens in a football game. When you are going to lay out a receiver on a crossing pattern as a DB or knock the quarterback, you are going in with cruel intentions to just knock the crap out of them. Not specifically for their head.
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This may not be comparing apples to apples since it comes from another conference but did you happen to see the Nebraska receiver, Kenny Bell, get flagged for a personal foul in the Big 14 championship game? Video is below. His hit was on a DB and got hit with a 15 yarder. Dial's hit on Murray was way more illegal since the Nebraska receiver led with his shoulder into the chest of the Wisconsin DB.
Point is Slive is a tool.
I disagree. I knew Quentin Dial (somewhat) from when he played with my son at EMCC two years ago. He's a nice guy with a big teddy bear like personality. I do not believe he intended to hurt Murray with a head shot or do anything illegal on the hit. But, I do think he wanted to knock the crap out of him as all DLs do on these sort of plays. I think he is just so much bigger than Murray and just didn't get low enough with the hit, but I do not believe he was aiming for his head - that is just not his nature, or at least not the personality I observed a couple of years ago.