Syracuse to Fire Babers Today

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I’ll take the L here. I was a big Dino fan

No way to know how anyone will do for sure especially over the long term. If anything more fail than succeed.

I liked Aranda and wondered about his demeanor and milquetoast persona in terms of being the lead guy and for recruiting but liked that he demonstrated more with less in his career. He won the B12 championship and Cotton Bowl in his 2nd year but it's been downhill since.. He'll probably survive this year but he's on very warm seat.

 

[vkj91]

No way to know how anyone will do for sure especially over the long term. If anything more fail than succeed.

I liked Aranda and wondered about his demeanor and milquetoast persona in terms of being the lead guy and for recruiting but liked that he demonstrated more with less in his career. He won the B12 championship and Cotton Bowl in his 2nd year but it's been downhill since.. He'll probably survive this year but he's on very warm seat.

I remember your posts on him. I just thought Dino had done it twice already, add in perfect weather for 50% of your games and I expected yearly bowling

 

[Shelby65]

In a few weeks there will be a slew of firings and coaching searches.
SU can get a head start before the competition heats up
Recruits want to know who is coaching as well

All that is only true if you’re already eliminated from bowl contention. The potential for a bowl game is more important than a 1 week head start on the search. They won’t hire somebody this week.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I remember your posts on him. I just thought Dino had done it twice already, add in perfect weather for 50% of your games and I expected yearly bowling

Reasonable logic but they were also short stints, sometimes a longer track record in one place might give a better gauge. But really who knows for sure, there's always some level of crap shoot. Nothing is certain except for a select few (or maybe a select 2 lol....UM/Saban).

Plus every time a coach takes a step up a level....FCS, low G5, high G5, low P5, high P5 it's unknown whether they can manage that next step.

I mean even Chip Kelly who most thought would be a HR for UCLA based on his Oregon stint hasn't lived up to expectations going in. He's not been bad but not great either. Going in, I'd guess a high percentage of people would have thought he was a guarantee for high level results.

 

[vkj91]

Reasonable logic but they were also short stints, sometimes a longer track record in one place might give a better gauge. But really who knows for sure, there's always some level of crap shoot. Nothing is certain except for a select few (or maybe a select 2 lol....UM/Saban).

Plus every time a coach takes a step up a level....FCS, low G5, high G5, low P5, high P5 it's unknown whether they can manage that next step.

I mean even Chip Kelly who most thought would be a HR for UCLA based on his Oregon stint hasn't lived up to expectations going in. He's not been bad but not great either. Going in, I'd guess a high percentage of people would have thought he was a guarantee for high level results.

I wonder if chip bought himself another year last night

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I wonder if chip bought himself another year last night

Yea I posted in the carousel thread about UCLA and the news was before the game.

It was a Feldman piece on Big Noon where Feldman said UCLA's biggest booster called the fire Kelly talk ridiculous and Martin Jarmond their AD said it was click bait. When the rumors first came out from 247, I thought it was surprising but you never know. I post all the coaching news I come across in that thread. I didn't create the carousel thread so it still has the A&M Fisher stuff in the title but I throw all CFB coaching carousel news into it.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

BTW for those saying JMU's Cignetti should pass on the Cuse if offered, he's 62. On top of the fact that higher level P5 jobs don't often get offered to coaches at schools that low down the totem pole, his age is likely also a factor. So if the offer comes, I wouldn't be so sure he'd pass on it. If anything, his age might be a factor in schools passing on him instead of the other way around.


Bill Obrien is another name I've seen thrown out there as a candidate as well.

 

[vkj91]

BTW for those saying JMU's Cignetti should pass on the Cuse if offered, he's 62. On top of the fact that higher level P5 jobs don't often get offered to coaches at schools that low down the totem pole, his age is likely also a factor. So if the offer comes, I wouldn't be so sure he'd pass on it. If anything, his age might be a factor in schools passing on him instead of the other way around.


Bill Obrien is another name I've seen thrown out there as a candidate as well.

O’Brien hates the college game. He didn’t want to recruit at a place like Penn State. No way he’d do it at Cuse

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

O’Brien hates the college game. He didn’t want to recruit at a place like Penn State. No way he’d do it at Cuse

From an Athletic article. I think he was mentioned for GT last year too.

New England Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien has looked to get back into college head coaching jobs. He’s a Northeast guy who did an admirable job taking Penn State to two winning seasons amid the Jerry Sandusky scandal from 2012 to ’13.

 

[MADHAT1]

BTW for those saying JMU's Cignetti should pass on the Cuse if offered, he's 62. On top of the fact that higher level P5 jobs don't often get offered to coaches at schools that low down the totem pole, his age is likely also a factor. So if the offer comes, I wouldn't be so sure he'd pass on it. If anything, his age might be a factor in schools passing on him instead of the other way around.


Bill Obrien is another name I've seen thrown out there as a candidate as well.

62 !!! now that's a horse of a different color and makes what I implied about him
not the smartest opinion when it comes to lower level HCs being offered P-5 positions.
I stand corrected.
Bill O'Brien might want the job, the Pats aren't looking that good and he might want to getout of dodge before he's told to leave.
What he did at Penn St makes him a good candidate , in my opinion
And he's younger than Curt Cignetti

 

[RUSK97]

Good God, this is going to be insufferable. The TKR Babers fanboys are going to be relentlessly stumping for Babers to be our new HC.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

I definitely would've liked Babers there for longer.

Worst case scenario is Nunz winning out, being named head coach and making out recruiting Rutgers his personal vendetta.

Based on the lack of success from him and the other past RU coaches with Catholic ties, Rutgers would not have much to worry about in regards to recruiting battles with the fruit.

 

[AntiG]

Dino actually did a pretty solid job there, he recruited as well as they could expect from him with Schiano back at Rutgers again and often overachieved for their talent level given how ****** their roster is. Syracuse is pretty dumb.

 

[Colbert17!]

Maybe Mike Houston will be available. He has a history of turning programs around.
Look at East Carolina. Before he came they were 3-9 now this year they.........oh, never mind.

 

[Knight Shift]

Maybe Mike Houston will be available. He has a history of turning programs around.
Look at East Carolina. Before he came they were 3-9 now this year they.........oh, never mind.

Mel Tucker is available.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Dino actually did a pretty solid job there, he recruited as well as they could expect from him with Schiano back at Rutgers again and often overachieved for their talent level given how ****** their roster is. Syracuse is pretty dumb.

They should be pretty thrilled with a chance for 6-6....I would think 7-5 would be a ceiling for them. That was their peak in the old BE, why would the ACC be better?

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

From an Athletic article. I think he was mentioned for GT last year too.

New England Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien has looked to get back into college head coaching jobs. He’s a Northeast guy who did an admirable job taking Penn State to two winning seasons amid the Jerry Sandusky scandal from 2012 to ’13.

O'Brien would be the one choice for them I'd be mildly impressed by. I would think they want him or Marrone.

I am surprised Mullen didn't come up I believe he is from PA, unless it is assumed he will go back to Miss State.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

O'Brien would be the one choice for them I'd be mildly impressed by. I would think they want him or Marrone.

I am surprised Mullen didn't come up I believe he is from PA, unless it is assumed he will go back to Miss State.

I’ve seen Mullen’s name come up in some lists too but he seems happy in tv so who knows.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

62 !!! now that's a horse of a different color and makes what I implied about him
not the smartest opinion when it comes to lower level HCs being offered P-5 positions.
I stand corrected.
Bill O'Brien might want the job, the Pats aren't looking that good and he might want to getout of dodge before he's told to leave.
What he did at Penn St makes him a good candidate , in my opinion
And he's younger than Curt Cignetti

If I was them I’d take a shot following the Kansas KSU blueprint and try with guys who’ve figured out ways to win at the lower levels and done more with less.

Cignetti and Monken should be high on top of the list imo.

I kind of like Odom below that but don’t know that he’d leave UNLV after a year and really haven’t seen his name in any lists for the Cuse. He got fired at Mizzou but was solid there and has done a really nice job at UNLV in one year. Doing things they haven’t done in a long time or ever.

 

[Knight Shift]

If I was them I’d take a shot following the Kansas KSU blueprint and try with guys who’ve figured out ways to win at the lower levels and done more with less.

Cignetti and Monken should be high on top of the list imo.

I kind of like Odom below that but don’t know that he’d leave UNLV after a year and really haven’t seen his name in any lists for the Cuse. He got fired at Mizzou but was solid there and has done a really nice job at UNLV in one year. Doing things they haven’t done in a long time or ever.

I'll get laughed off of this thread, but does Kyle Flood get a shot?
On the surface, solid winning record for Rutgers.
Did a stint at the Saban Center for Fallen Coach Rehabilitation.
Has "demonstrated" he is an ace recruiter at Texas (save it, I know it's Texas).
He's a NY/NJ guy, and it would get him closer to home with a pay day. Not many jobs closer than Tundra, except for Temple.

 

[vkj91]

If I was them I’d take a shot following the Kansas KSU blueprint and try with guys who’ve figured out ways to win at the lower levels and done more with less.

Cignetti and Monken should be high on top of the list imo.

I kind of like Odom below that but don’t know that he’d leave UNLV after a year and really haven’t seen his name in any lists for the Cuse. He got fired at Mizzou but was solid there and has done a really nice job at UNLV in one year. Doing things they haven’t done in a long time or ever.

Joe Moorhead? from Pa, knows the area and has Akron playing competive which they haven't done in decades. Think 3 OT losses this year.

 

[Mikemarc]

I'll get laughed off of this thread, but does Kyle Flood get a shot?
On the surface, solid winning record for Rutgers.
Did a stint at the Saban Center for Fallen Coach Rehabilitation.
Has "demonstrated" he is an ace recruiter at Texas (save it, I know it's Texas).
He's a NY/NJ guy, and it would get him closer to home with a pay day. Not many jobs closer than Tundra, except for Temple.

Would be a great hire.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Joe Moorhead? from Pa, knows the area and has Akron playing competive which they haven't done in decades. Think 3 OT losses this year.

Haven’t really paid attention to him but no AD will win the PR battle hiring a coach with his record at Akron even if they have improved.

The first thought that came into my mind thinking of Moorhead was would he go back to PSU as OC again, like KC did here.

 

[Knight Shift]

Would be a great hire.

Would be interesting, but not sure their fans would have the appetite for someone that is taking a chance. OTOH, how many home run hires are going to line up for that job?
Flood's big selling point is is 2014 season, but then there was the 2015 season with the problems and the show cause order (I think).

His Achilles heel will be recruiting:
2012 (Greg)- ranked 24, with one 5 start and four 4 stars
2013 (KF)- #45- one 4 star
2014 (KF)- #57- fifteen 3 stars, 10 below 3 star
2015 (KF)- #53 -one 4 star; 13 3 stars, rest below 3 star
2016 (KF)- #78- ten 3 stars, eight below 3 star

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I'll get laughed off of this thread, but does Kyle Flood get a shot?
On the surface, solid winning record for Rutgers.
Did a stint at the Saban Center for Fallen Coach Rehabilitation.
Has "demonstrated" he is an ace recruiter at Texas (save it, I know it's Texas).
He's a NY/NJ guy, and it would get him closer to home with a pay day. Not many jobs closer than Tundra, except for Temple.

Haven’t seen his name on any lists. He’s a like better version of Pittman and his own prior head coaching life.

He’s got more connections and maybe a wider network to call on now for staff but is that enough for an AD at the P5 to hire him?

See what happened to Pittman when Briles and Odom left. Orgeron when his coordinators left. Even Dabo on some level too after Venables. It’s a very important to be able to hire correctly again.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

I'll get laughed off of this board, but does Kyle Flood get a shot?
On the surface, solid winning record for Rutgers.
Did a stint at the Saban Center for Fallen Coach Rehabilitation.
Has "demonstrated" he is an ace recruiter at Texas (save it, I know it's Texas).
He's a NY/NJ guy, and it would get him closer to home with a pay day. Not many jobs closer than Tundra, except for Temple.

Yes you do

 

[Mikemarc]

Haven’t seen his name on any lists. He’s a like better version of Pittman and his own prior head coaching life.

He’s got more connections and maybe a wider network to call on now for staff but is that enough for an AD at the P5 to hire him?

See what happened to Pittman when Briles and Odom left. Orgeron when his coordinators left. Even Dabo on some level too after Venables. It’s a very important to be able to hire correctly again.

247 has him on their list.

 

[Knight Shift]

Haven’t seen his name on any lists. He’s a like better version of Pittman and his own prior head coaching life.

He’s got more connections and maybe a wider network to call on now for staff but is that enough for an AD at the P5 to hire him?

See what happened to Pittman when Briles and Odom left. Orgeron when his coordinators left. Even Dabo on some level too after Venables. It’s a very important to be able to hire correctly again.

Was wondering who the AD is at Cuse to see if there is any connection. Never heard of him. Name is John Wildhack, and had a long career at ESPN. He's Orange through and through. This is a major hire for him. He rode out Boeheim and did a men's basketball hire.

https://cuse.com/staff-directory/john-wildhack/572

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Was wondering who the AD is at Cuse to see if there is any connection. Never heard of him. Name is John Wildhack, and had a long career at ESPN. He's Orange through and through. This is a major hire for him. He rode out Boeheim and did a men's basketball hire.

https://cuse.com/staff-directory/john-wildhack/572

 

[Knight Shift]

Did he say HC Or Coordinator experience at the P5 Level? This man has multiple years of both!!!

On NIL, they had a metal reclamation guy who had a model wife who was dumping tons of money into NIL, but I heard they severed ties with the guy.

With a name like Wildhack, the headlines will write themselves if he makes a "bad" hire.

Another name to consider- Joe Rossi?

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

 

[tomatocan]

Mel Tucker is available.

So is Art Briles.

 

[rob kight]

How about Chris Ash!

 

[yesrutgers01]

Would be interesting, but not sure their fans would have the appetite for someone that is taking a chance. OTOH, how many home run hires are going to line up for that job?
Flood's big selling point is is 2014 season, but then there was the 2015 season with the problems and the show cause order (I think).

His Achilles heel will be recruiting:
2012 (Greg)- ranked 24, with one 5 start and four 4 stars
2013 (KF)- #45- one 4 star
2014 (KF)- #57- fifteen 3 stars, 10 below 3 star
2015 (KF)- #53 -one 4 star; 13 3 stars, rest below 3 star
2016 (KF)- #78- ten 3 stars, eight below 3 star

I actually think his selling point is his overall W/L
Also- Bama/Texas

And the "show cause" - funny when you look at it now and how sad that such a big deal was made of it compared to everything that happens

What a guy like Food would need is a good budget for a staff. Not sure if Cuse is the place for that.