Tarboro Small 1A
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Mitchell is on the line, so we now don’t know how to pray.
Tarboro small 1A Tarboro large 1AA . Someone playing games ! They will be 1AA . 1A is a Farce. Are the scared to meet East Surry this year and hope to drop to A ? LOL
They will be 2A next realignment good greif. They dress 200 on varcity.
You are getting more belligerent on these boards every day. Either you are taking too much medication, or not enough. Tarboro isn't scared of anyone in 1a, or 2a for that matter. They are champions, and their fans act like it...
Obvious troll is still a troll... Don't feed it.
My point you butt sniffers was Tarboro will be 1AA not 1A.
Who thinks they will be 1A step up ? Y'all can't debate only attack and belittle ! ! Look at how stupid some of your posts are. LOL You don't bother me at all. Mitchell county mountie you're the one that might ? need meds. Can't believe you went as far as lying about what I said on the other thread all year. I have always respected you but seems some on here have always got to pick someone to attack and pile on doing it. Find someone else, first BK now me. LOL I feel sorry for you and the others. Y'all are the Trolls setting back waiting for someone to pile on and attack !
Who thinks they will be 1A step up ? Y'all can't debate only attack and belittle ! ! Look at how stupid some of your posts are. LOL You don't bother me at all. Mitchell county mountie you're the one that might ? need meds. Can't believe you went as far as lying about what I said on the other thread all year. I have always respected you but seems some on here have always got to pick someone to attack and pile on doing it. Find someone else, first BK now me. LOL I feel sorry for you and the others. Y'all are the Trolls setting back waiting for someone to pile on and attack !
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When was the last time your team won a state champion or won the west ?
It took a NWC rival team to beat us last year.
I DO need meds. I'm suffering with poison ivy on my groin region right now, and it is torturous. I would smoke crack cocaine right now if the itching would stop...My point you butt sniffers was Tarboro will be 1AA not 1A.
Who thinks they will be 1A step up ? Y'all can't debate only attack and belittle ! ! Look at how stupid some of your posts are. LOL You don't bother me at all. Mitchell county mountie you're the one that might ? need meds. Can't believe you went as far as lying about what I said on the other thread all year. I have always respected you but seems some on here have always got to pick someone to attack and pile on doing it. Find someone else, first BK now me. LOL I feel sorry for you and the others. Y'all are the Trolls setting back waiting for someone to pile on and attack !
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I still respect you because up until Thursday you have always a person I like to read your posts. I go through back and knee pain daily. I have Tramadol but don't take it because it is like taking aspirin, don't help. Have a good night and if you weren't kidding about the poison ivy, I hope it gets better.
If you think Tarboro will ever be scared of East Surry you have lost it with with due respect! I think Tarboro and East Surry respect each other’s programs. Tarboro has won 1AA, 2A and 3A state championships they aren’t scared to play anyone no matter classification
At this point I think Tarboro would line up across from Mallard Creek and think “hey we can control the clock with our own running game and win this thing”. Would they, probably not but they wouldn’t be scared of them thats for sure.
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Murphy and Mitchell would make 1aa Super exciting. Robbinsville would have an absolute Cake-Walk in 1a West though! I really think Elkin will make noise in 1a playoffs until they reach a Robbinsville..Mitchell...or Murphy..should the latter two be in small 1A.
They would believe that. Just like the East Surry kids didn't believe all of the power ratings that said they were double-digit underdogs when they played Reidsville.
If Tarboro played Mallard Creek, they would welcome the challenge and would go out there and play like they had nothing to lose. They couldn't win unless MC made a lot of mistakes, but they wouldn't get embarrassed.
The reason you don't see many games like that ever scheduled is because the bigger schools don't want them. If you're a big school and you schedule Tarboro and lose, you'll have a thousand yahoos complaining "they got beat by a 1A" without considering just how good Tarboro is. It even happened to Reidsville on this very site when they lost to East. I've spoken to many coaches and ADs over the years talking about how they couldn't get bigger schools to play them, because the big school didn't want to risk a loss. Conversely, I've had a few at larger schools admit it, off the record.
Agree with your comments JSC...Usually Reidsville is the one trying to schedule bigger teams only to be snubbed....East Surry can line up (especially offensively) and play with the majority of schools in this state...same can be said for Reidsville.....That game between the 2 was the finest offensive show by both teams that I have ever seen at the high school level in person (584 total yards for East Surry and 583 for Redsville),,,,,and this old guy has seen a ton of games over the years...….
Tarboro plays several teams in upper classifications out of conference each year and those series have years of history in most cases. I really believe those teams use Tarboro as a measuring stick. If you can slug it out with Tarboro in week two or three, you have a team that will fight during conference play. Washington, Nash Central, Southern Nash, Roanoke Rapids have all beaten Tarboro OOC since the Vikings moved down to 1A and during those seasons, those teams were tremendously successful making serious noise in the playoffs. I remember Washington beat Tarboro 2 years and they lost in the Eastern final the first year and lost a state championship game by a point the next. Bottom line is good coaches will not let their players run from a challenge.
Tarboro would approach a game against Mallard Creek the same way they would any opponent. Defense wins championships. Our offense might be a bit stodgy, but it’s job is to keep moving the chains and run the clock. The defense wants to remove any optimism you came off the bus with and leave you looking for other alternatives. If you can show up against a Vikings defense, you have a chance at a pretty special year.
Mallard Creek will accept all offers to play as they struggle to get games. They have traveled to Scotland, Dutch Fork, Dillon, and Gaffney the last few years. Hosted Gonzaga (Washington DC) and South Pointe (Rock Hill).
Due to financial support issues there has to be money to cover the costs with reasonable logistics and funds to make up for losing a home game if they travel. A home and away contract, as they found, is not always a guarantee to get the second game at home. A home game against a weak opponent may only draw 500 fans but with concessions they can make $5k. That is huge to their budget.
Part of Tarboro's struggle is geographical due to their location in the eastern corner of the state. Tarboro on a Friday would probably take close to four hours on a bus from / to Charlotte. The team would not arrive back home until close to 2am.
Due to financial support issues there has to be money to cover the costs with reasonable logistics and funds to make up for losing a home game if they travel. A home and away contract, as they found, is not always a guarantee to get the second game at home. A home game against a weak opponent may only draw 500 fans but with concessions they can make $5k. That is huge to their budget.
Part of Tarboro's struggle is geographical due to their location in the eastern corner of the state. Tarboro on a Friday would probably take close to four hours on a bus from / to Charlotte. The team would not arrive back home until close to 2am.
I'm just gonna say this and it's absolutely not disrespecting tarboro and their tradition of winning,I love small town football,I'm more of a fan of 1A-2A then the upper classifications,but right now if tarboro played MC they would get destroyed and embarrassed,have you seen them play before and the size and depth of their teams,there's only a select few in NC who are on the same level with them every year, their offense and defensive systems are to complex,It would be a MASH unit out there,there is a reason why there are classifications...if NC had a playoff system where there were no classifications and everyone was in the same playoff bracket from 1A-4A not 1 1A or 2A school would come close to winning the championship,sure a lower classification team could beat a higher class team but not week after week it's to big of a mountain to climb,the only team maybe that could make a run would be Shelby,they have depth and a system to make some noise...if your gonna constantly win in the upper classes you can't be one dimensiona...sure App st beat Michigan but could they run the gauntlet of beating Ohio st,Penn St Wisconsin,Michigan St? Nope no way no how! not week after week..again no disrespect to tarboro I respect the hell outa their program and their accomplishments in NC HS football,so don't take what I'm saying personal Tarboro fans because it's not like that at all...I'm just a realist
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I doubt anyone thinks that Tarboro would beat the higher echelon of football in the state, but I think they would welcome the challenge, and seriously doubt they would shy away...
They might welcome the opportunity at first but reality will set in really quick about what their up against...then it would be let's just get out of here alive
Why do people act like larger class schools play BETTER football than the smaller ones? Like they play a style that smaller schools can't play? The only difference in small school football and big school football are the bodies on the field. Bigger schools have bigger and larger number of players, simply because they have more boys to choose from. Once that's settled, they play the same football as the little guys. There's no secret style, no different approach. MC too complex? MC isnt always undefeated, so that means that SOMEBODY figured them out. Why couldnt Tarboro? Because they are 1A? Are smaller schools too stupid to figure them out? Lol. Tarboro would lose to MC because they would wear down physically because of the bigger and fresher players, not because MC runs some magic "too complex" scheme. I mean, come on. It's football. The game doesn't change from one class to another.
Regarding the 2019 Mallard Creek, one issue Tarboro would have this season is the MC passing attack. Big time QB with elite receivers. Just don’t think they see that type of athletes or passing attack.
I see games with teams from all classifications from different parts of the state. Went to Robbinsville fir the Swain game Monday. The difference in the athletes, size, and speed especially from 1-22 is huge compared to MC. Tarboro is a different animal on the 1A level but it would be much tougher to dominate at the 2A level.
I see games with teams from all classifications from different parts of the state. Went to Robbinsville fir the Swain game Monday. The difference in the athletes, size, and speed especially from 1-22 is huge compared to MC. Tarboro is a different animal on the 1A level but it would be much tougher to dominate at the 2A level.
Play MC Schedule and see how it works out for you then...nobody used the word stupid you did...I'm not even a MC fan,it's an opinion,MC has been ranked NATIONALLY not just in the state but nationally,they play a brutal schedule,they have like close to 3,000 kids and tarboro what 5-600 any way you want to call it they would lose,don't paint this picture that I'm some tarboro hater because I'm not smart guy,
The game doesn't change from one class to another??? Are you even serious with that garbage...so the college game doesn't change from the NFL game? Your nuts if you think it don't...things happen a lot faster on a higher level yeah bigger bodies are the difference so you just proved my point
BETTER FOOTBALL? I never said that either,I'm a 1A-2A guy myself like I said
The game doesn't change from one class to another??? Are you even serious with that garbage...so the college game doesn't change from the NFL game? Your nuts if you think it don't...things happen a lot faster on a higher level yeah bigger bodies are the difference so you just proved my point
BETTER FOOTBALL? I never said that either,I'm a 1A-2A guy myself like I said
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The geography isn’t that bad. We have a pretty good scheduling alliance with the Nash County schools, a long running series with Washington, and our in county rivals. Mallard is just purely hypothetical. The 4AA size elite schools just have access to so much more talent and there’s only so much that Tarboro tradition, work ethic and attention to detail can do against talent imbalance. I’m not naive, but after decades of watching this program every Friday night, it’s hard not to go into every game optimistic.
Seeing North Davidson go from 4A to 2A, and also having seen 1A Thomasville play Davie County a few years in a row, my opinion is this:
There are some small schools that can obviously compete with bigger schools. I'm speaking of Tville in their prime under the Browns, Reidsville, Tarboro, and Shelby primarily. These schools field enough speed to keep up with bigger schools at the skill positions and in some cases even win. Tville beat Davie and Wallace Rose Hill gave Wake Forest a pretty good game.
HOWEVER, the biggest difference I see between big schools and small schools isn't about skill positions, it's about the line. Bigger schools have bigger players in the trenches and in particular have more people to rotate in to stay fresh. That is where you run into problems, not schemes or formations. If someone can beat you in the trenches it's a long shot that you will win the game.
I think all the schools I mentioned can compete against average to good 4A teams and beat bad 4A teams. But when you talk about schools like Mallard Creek, Richmond and those types, it is next to impossible to get a victory. Notice I say win, not compete. There's a big difference there. Shelby competed with Rock Hill South Pointe for much of the game defensively. They still wore down and lost by 25 points if I remember the score correctly.
There are some small schools that can obviously compete with bigger schools. I'm speaking of Tville in their prime under the Browns, Reidsville, Tarboro, and Shelby primarily. These schools field enough speed to keep up with bigger schools at the skill positions and in some cases even win. Tville beat Davie and Wallace Rose Hill gave Wake Forest a pretty good game.
HOWEVER, the biggest difference I see between big schools and small schools isn't about skill positions, it's about the line. Bigger schools have bigger players in the trenches and in particular have more people to rotate in to stay fresh. That is where you run into problems, not schemes or formations. If someone can beat you in the trenches it's a long shot that you will win the game.
I think all the schools I mentioned can compete against average to good 4A teams and beat bad 4A teams. But when you talk about schools like Mallard Creek, Richmond and those types, it is next to impossible to get a victory. Notice I say win, not compete. There's a big difference there. Shelby competed with Rock Hill South Pointe for much of the game defensively. They still wore down and lost by 25 points if I remember the score correctly.
You are correct. I'm a Tarboro grad and have been attending games for over forty years. I don't think there are any Tarboro fans that think we could win at the elite 3A and 4A level. Our down fall would be when the opposition starts platooning offense and defense squads with fresh players. In 1A we are at another level but in 2A things will even out with the elite teams.
2018 ADMs. RH SPe 1,293 / Shelby 884.
SPe is somewhat like Shelby with loads of skill position talent, excellent coaching and continuity in the staff through 2018 and seems to have continued that with the hiring of Devonte Holloman.
Davie and North Davidson were good 4A teams but nowhere near elite. Even the best years are Davie (Cooter Arnold in State 4A regional final) they would have been throttled by the best teams in 4AA.
So we agree then. Elite small schools can compete with and beat average to good 4A schools. I never said Davie and North were elite in 4A, it was just a barometer for an elite 1A Thomasville back in the late 2000s. 2001 North and Davies better teams got destroyed by Charlotte Independence when they played, the same years Davie and Tville were playing close games that went either way. Why did you delete the HOWEVER part of my post lol?
South Pointe is more an illustration of elite talent and why it would be difficult for elite small schools to play elite large schools.
North has never been an elite program. They have been very good at times but I don't think even the most biased North fan would say they were elite, other than in the 1960s when they went to four consecutive Area titles from 63-66 in 2A before jumping to 3A. The WNCHSAA title tie with Shelby in 75 was more exception than the rule. Norths most talented team ever in my eyes was 2012 with Shy Tuttle, Tevin Tuttle, and Andrew Mayton. They lost to Porter Ridge in the 4A semis and I think would have been arguably able to match up with New Bern. No way they match up in 4AA though.
But I wasn't even using North as an example here, just illustrating that I have personally seen the difference between elite 4AA and elite 2A over the years because of their shift in size.
@btango what is your job and how do I get involved lol? I love HS football history and would love to speak personally with you someday. What kind of degree should I go back to school for to make that happen where I can travel the country to see elite football in person? Any advice would be appreciated. Feel free to send me a personal message if you want.
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