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Teachers are severely underpaid in the U.S.. or are they?
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I was talking about YOUR education. of course reading comprehension may not have been taught back in the, whenever you were "learned"... Good night...
All that I have learned is that you are only good at deflecting and very bad at backing up your ludicrous statements.
I really didn't use google to find that. I have certain news feeds I use and this was one that came up a few days ago.... I am not educated with google....but, you may be...
I can believe that, I suppose. It’s a pretty difficult thing to master ...
Maybe someone on this site will interpret for you. Maybe not. Your strong suit is not reading comprehension. Your intake is already jumbled and I hadn't even got started....I do have to sleep though.....
I asked you for a real life example of which you have personal knowledge. You haven’t provided one. Sober up and find one tomorrow.
I’m guessing your wife doesn’t teach in KY since you said that teachers retirement doesn’t come close to the private sector.
^ yeah - I don’t know the old deal, but the new KY deal discussing putting 9% of their own and getting match on 8 is huge and much better than the majority of 401k plans and only 40% of companies even have plans.
Anyone thinking teachers make enough is smoking crack. Teaching isn’t a normal punch the clock go home job. It’s every day all day for good teachers. They are involved in their schools on several different levels. Coaching, clubs, PD. I’m a retired teacher and about 8 years ago we had a guy come in to do his student teaching. It was the last step then he was going to graduate have his license and endorsements in LA and Sped. 3 weeks in he started getting sick from stress and by the 6th week he quit! This guy saw major combat in Afghanistan and couldn’t finish student teaching bc he couldn’t manage his class room.
No one has a clue as to what teachers endure unless they actually do it. I saw a stat that like 80% of new teachers don’t make it 5 years. I taught at Bryan station for a few years and it is a hell hole. Gangs, major fights. My colleague tore up his knee breaking up a fight. There was another teacher just a few years ago in KY killed breaking up a fight. Fortunately I got out of BS and taught in a much more teacher friendly state. Teachers put much more on the line than they get back. If you don’t think so go get your teaching credential and give it a shot.
Wow I just read even more comments and if teachers walked out tomorrow none of you would have a clue how to handle it. You jokers Baggin on teachers... can you handle 30 kids completely different from one another, rotating classes maybe a 150 students a day you have to diferenciate instruction for?? Teach the content, manage the classroom, and be on every day?? Would you have the drive to go home and then work planning lessons and grading student work?? The answer is no! You would crap your pants day two and by week 3 have a mental breakdown. It is draining job and thankless as evidenced by those in this thread.
No one has a clue as to what teachers endure unless they actually do it. I saw a stat that like 80% of new teachers don’t make it 5 years. I taught at Bryan station for a few years and it is a hell hole. Gangs, major fights. My colleague tore up his knee breaking up a fight. There was another teacher just a few years ago in KY killed breaking up a fight. Fortunately I got out of BS and taught in a much more teacher friendly state. Teachers put much more on the line than they get back. If you don’t think so go get your teaching credential and give it a shot.
Wow I just read even more comments and if teachers walked out tomorrow none of you would have a clue how to handle it. You jokers Baggin on teachers... can you handle 30 kids completely different from one another, rotating classes maybe a 150 students a day you have to diferenciate instruction for?? Teach the content, manage the classroom, and be on every day?? Would you have the drive to go home and then work planning lessons and grading student work?? The answer is no! You would crap your pants day two and by week 3 have a mental breakdown. It is draining job and thankless as evidenced by those in this thread.
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So how much should you make? $100k? $1M? Just wondering. Teachers are great. I have more teachers in my family than I can keep track of and respect the hell out of them and what they do.
But you come across as a pompous with an over inflated sense of self worth. One guy decided teaching wasn’t for him and since he was a war vet you think that somehow equates teaching to combat.
Exactly, what he does not understand is that you cannot equate that to combat. It could be that he was so used to being out in the field or just working outside that being cramped indoors could affect him. Up until October 2013, I had always worked out of doors and then was ask to help in the travel office of the DOL (Directorate of Logistics) division because they were short of people. It was not long before I was up out of my seat and walking around the halls when I did not have anything on my desk to do. Coworkers started calling me the Doberman because I could not sit still. Boss kept adding more work so as to keep me seated. To this day I still have to walk the halls of the building. Before that, I was working with the unit movement section where we inspected units, assisted in their preparation for deployment, and helped them load trucks, Panes, Trains, and ships. That kept me out most days.
It probably is......without the whole not eligible for social security thing.
Every other working slug puts in 6.2% to SS which is matched by their employer. If you subtract that, the State is contributing 2.8% which is matched at 1.8%. Plus the state keeps control and if history is our guide may not contribute if they choose not to.
All of this may or may not impact the quality of future candidates because the future is the future.
There will always be enough wholesome chicks going to college who love kids and want to get married and do the family thing and want a career that dovetails to teach the little kids.
You could always mix in some prison guards and ex-cops in middle school as there is as much crowd control as education.
But for high school you kinda want people that have an intellectual bent and people that have any talent in English or especially Math and Science will have better choices.
Public Education may not be everything you want but it can be made a lot worse. If the quality of coaching makes a difference then the quality of teaching probably does too.
"Wow I just read even more comments and if teachers walked out tomorrow none of you would have a clue how to handle it. You jokers Baggin on teachers... can you handle 30 kids completely different from one another, rotating classes maybe a 150 students a day you have to diferenciate instruction for?? Teach the content, manage the classroom, and be on every day?? Would you have the drive to go home and then work planning lessons and grading student work?? The answer is no! You would crap your pants day two and by week 3 have a mental breakdown. It is draining job and thankless as evidenced by those in this thread."
Many probably could. I did similar type work while being a Drill Instructor for three years and would have done more years had they let me. We had 200 plus a day we help teach and around 60 I personally counseled on a daily basis. Was there to wake them up and was there long after they were asleep. Then, in regular units I was there to wake them up and still there after they left. There are many jobs out there were people have to deal with large groups of people who are diverse in their thinking, emotions, attitudes, etc...., and they can deal with it quite well. Get over yourself.
Many probably could. I did similar type work while being a Drill Instructor for three years and would have done more years had they let me. We had 200 plus a day we help teach and around 60 I personally counseled on a daily basis. Was there to wake them up and was there long after they were asleep. Then, in regular units I was there to wake them up and still there after they left. There are many jobs out there were people have to deal with large groups of people who are diverse in their thinking, emotions, attitudes, etc...., and they can deal with it quite well. Get over yourself.
I don’t think anything is stopping teachers from taking the 6.2 they don’t have to put into SS and put it into an IRA. Also, private companies can stop, start and change contributions any given year. It’s a pretty good retirement plan, no matter how many want to spin it otherwise.
I don’t think teachers are overpaid or anything - but I do think some play the victim and the overworked and underpaid narrative is false IMO.
All the teachers I know spend the summer going back to school which in some states is mandatory. 32 hours after your BA or BS Degree is mandatory in many school districts.
Yep. KY requires a masters degree within 5 years. So that leaves the next 22 summers free until retirement.
Doesn't PTA stand for Parent Teachers Association? Seems to be me then that parents also had a part in this.
I do find it ironic that in a post talking about indoctrination that you cite an article from a right wing propaganda website though. Not exactly a source you can count on to get all the facts correct. :joy:
:joy::joy::joy: Yeah, I'd AGREE with you IF it was just words in an article. Oh SHOCK huh.... The article had a "picture" of what was sent out so, please forget ALL the printed words and just read the "document" that was sent out...THEN, post to me again...and tell me how smart you really are so I or someone reading this might believe it.
Yep, if you just listen to ANY news you don't get the facts, as a WHOLE lot of the news is made up to fit an agenda. Your quick un-thought out response is what is laughable.:joy: It seems you already have your mind made up. You do what you want to do and I know you will anyway but realize, if anyone actually looks at a lot of what you and your ilk post it is some of the most shallow crap that can be imagined for those trying to let all know how "smart' they are.
Uh, read the actual document that was sent out and draw your OWN conclusions...:joy::joy::joy:
How moronic, just a little browsing of the article may have shown you or the other "educator" that, anyone who really wants to know may look quickly at the article anyway to be sure they don't sound kind of "stupid" after the fact....
Go ahead bud and give me some more of these...:joy::joy::joy::joy: please do...:joy::joy::joy::joy:
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And that's for 9 months of work....equivalent of making $104k/yr....so sick of their whining...then throw in a GUARANTEED pension on the backs of taxpayers and it's a racket like none other (I know all this because my father was a teacher/principal who retired at 54 and made WAY more in retirement than he did working)opcorn:
Eight years ago, my kid's kindergarten teacher was making $78k/yr. Probably on the high end.
Yeah and you (as well as the writers of that article) are also purposefully ignoring the part where the PARENTS-Teachers Association is the one that sent it out. That means some of the PARENTS of that school are just as also responsible for it as some of the teachers are. But feel free to continue skewing the facts to continue your fake news propaganda campaign.
I believe you had a much more captive audience and also had the ability to remove knuckleheads.
Could you maintain discipline if whenever you gave an unpleasant task, someone said “I don’t want to do that and you can’t make me!” and he was right and you could not get rid of him either plus you would be told by your superior that you needed to change your approach.
Could your recruits call you a ***** and a MFer and you couldn’t do anything about it?
Could they deny any misdeed then go to your superior and say you were lying and be believed over you?
Could they have their parents come and accuse you of mistreatment and have your superior take their side?
I have seen PTA's with member's who don't have children in the school system. That is ignorant to look at the PTA membership and try to derive their motive. (I have seen some really weird ideas floated from PTA member's during my active times in the school system functions, real weird.) I am not "skewing" anything. "Fake news propaganda campaign." :joy::joy::joy: All I asked is to read the actual document that was sent out to pre-teens and not even read anything else.
Yeah, that would cause things to be skewed. Good luck to you...[laughing] (I will make one suggestion to you; before you go claiming someone is trying to skew things, ensure they actually are.
Looking at a document or the actual item cannot be construed as "skewing things". You might do it like your bud does it and start googling more. Google is a heck of an educational tool for those who have never actually done anything. (Sorry, I have to laugh again.[laughing])
Sounds like people are in a position they let themselves get in to, no man, woman, or child would call me that and still stay in my presence.
It's called controlling your surroundings. There are alternative solutions. You have to be smarter than what you are working on.
I had a Major tell me once when I was still working for the Army that you had to tell a soldier to do something multiple times before they'd do it. I told that Major that you are not telling your troops anything correctly if you have to tell them twice.
It comes down to respect. You respect the student, the student respects you. IF the student cannot abide by that, there are alternative solutions. (Respect is a two way street. Students can tell when you do not respect them, they can tell a phony a mile off. That is not always the case and there are always exceptions but normally that is how it works.)
I will stop, I will not respond further. (This wasn't my business anyway.)
You don't know much about the military do you? The private's word is taken over the Drill Sergeant's until proven otherwise. Plus, we got them at their peak of being undisciplined. Today's trainee can actually say they do not want to continue and will be processed out.
Their parents can contact anyone in our higher chain of command and get what is called a 15-6 investigation started against you and you leave that one alone until investigation is over.
You guys think you are the only one's that have these kind of problems? Get out in the real world and suffer what some of these other people have to and maybe you will quit whining.
Let’s put it this way when I was teaching I calculated my hourly wage based on all the time I put in and my salary. It was less than 10$ an hour. And I didn’t just work during the school year. I worked through the summer running camps, training new teachers, etc. Teachers who do this are paid a small stipend to work countless hours. Of course when i consider my coaching duties as a head soccer coach at a 5A school I made even less, like 3$ an hour coaching. So take that as you will. I have two undergraduate degrees and a masters in education. Not to mention my B license through USSF.
Saying I’m pompous is ridiculous. I’m just standing up for teachers bc this thread totally belittles the difficulties of the profession and it short changes what teachers actually put in. The special forces guy is one of hundreds I’ve seen come in and gone quickly. We’ve had people start and quit in a week or two.
BTW the guy asking how old I am it’s irrelevant. I bought years with my 401k which was never matched and money from my IRA. On top of that I still work to keep my head above water. Folks working for the utilities or state government all have the same pension but teachers have the most difficult job. So why not go after those other state employees?? They are starting out with much higher salaries than teachers based on education and experience.
Last year one of my good friends retired and a month later at the gym, a month after he retired his heart stopped and barely survived. The old school teachers life was much simpler and retirement much better. If you started teaching in the last twenty years chances are you’ll never see your pension bc ultimately you will quit. Schools are out of control and there are major shortages in every state. The demands by the state and federal government are unrealistic and teachers work like dogs to meet annual goals. In the state I retired in for instance, if you don’t meet your annual goals for two consecutive years you can be fired regardless of what folks in Kentucky call tenure. That means someone who has 15 years in can have health problems for Instance, not meet their annual goals for two years and lose their pension. Or even worse a new admin comes in doesn’t like you, gives you bad reviews and after two years you’re out on your ***. The unions have virtually no power all they do is advocate. They may lobby but ultimately who you elect makes the decision.
Unless you teach in this modern day you have no idea what these people are going through. Kentucky is one of the worst state for teachers. They walk out bc they are making less than 10$ an hour on average. You can think otherwise and have family from previous generations who did well for them self teaching but the bottom line is this day and age is not kind to teachers.
I was offered the chance to teach a couple times and turned it down. I took a different career path...I had a choice. I don't complain either way, it was my choice. (You can still make your own choices in most areas. Of course you do have to live with the consequences of those choices, or that choice.) Some think you don't have to live with the consequences of your choices.
You chose to go the extra hours, that is on you. The $10.00 an hour for most of the others is flat out untrue for the hours worked. That said, once again I reiterate, I was/am for the raise here in Oklahoma, just not in agreement with them still striking after getting a $6,100.00 a year raise saying it was not enough.
Daughter graduated 5th grade 19 May last year. Started back around 15 August last year. October had 1 week fall break. Week of thanksgiving off. a little over 2 weeks for Christmas break. 1 week for spring break and they graduate 24 May this year so, don't give me this crap about $10.00 an hour crap. Sure, there are a few who do extra work like you did but, they get a little extra pay for it and it is their choice.
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You don’t get it. For teachers to meet their annual performance goals they HAVE to put in extra time. It’s not a choice. But hey you’re a parent so you know what teachers are doing after the school day ends, you know what they are doing in the summer or on their weekends. And god forbid someone who works like a dog to take time off. Go become a teacher if you think it’s so CUSH. I mean why the hell is there a shortage of teachers if the job is easy, pays great and gives loads of time off??? Why the hell are teachers walking out if it’s easy, great pay, etc???
Btw you think teachers only want money?? Do you know what your states per pupil funding is?? It’s one of the worst in the country. Where does the money come from to make a classroom work if your state isn’t providing it? You flat out gave no idea what goes on in public education. Limited resources means it comes from teachers pockets and it ties their hands for what they can do. Would you send soldiers into war without their gun?? How about a carpenter wo their hammer???
You don't get it, I know plenty of them and also know what a lot of them do in their off time. Know about the extra time and it does not take half of the time off they get. Did not say it was "CUSH" but, it is no where near as bad or bad at all as being touted. Over exaggerating is what whiners do. Congrats.
Not around here, parents get list of items needed for the classrooms and paid on average about $200.00 a child for the resources to start the year. Have done so for the last few years. We have bought more resources for the classroom than my daughter will use all year every year, did they tell you that?. But you just keep on believing you know what goes on around the country. You seem to think you are the end all be all in knowledge.
200$ won’t cut it. We are talking thousands PP funding. Your state is one of the worst by thousands. I’m talking updated tech updated text books etc. In Kentucky teachers walked out bc there aren’t enough subs. The subs are abused admin does nothing so they say screw this.Sure there are some districts where the money is that teachers don’t work as hard but that isn’t near the norm. I don’t know your teacher friends but there is a reason the teachers in your state are rattled and you may not find it in your locale. I’m out though I don’t have to teach any longer so good luck with solving problems you refuse to see.
Why won’t you say how old you were when you retired?
Im calling ********. Fayette county starting teachers make near $40K. New teachers with zero experience. So they have to work 4000 hours in 37 weeks to hit that mark.
My sister is 43. This is her 22nd year. She can retire in 5 more. So with average life expectancy she will draw retirement longer than she taught. My mother and mother in law will do the same, they are almost to that point.
Teachers rock but Wildcats1st is not helping their cause in this thread.
Bc it’s irrelevant. I still work. I invested nearly 100k out of my own pocket to buy years in order to get out sooner.