That’s the thing from a very high level i don’t understand. If teachers are so underpaid how do they end up retiring so early? What you just described with your sister equates to millions in retirement.
Teachers are severely underpaid in the U.S.. or are they?
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That’s the thing from a very high level i don’t understand. If teachers are so underpaid how do they end up retiring so early? What you just described with your sister equates to millions in retirement.
$200.00 per child from parents goes a long way so, reading comprehension would help you. In a room with 30 students that equates to $6,000.00 so, maybe you did not teach math, I will cut you a break there.
I’m probably about as ill informed about the military as you are as a classroom. I’m curious what your position will be the next time we have a president who say he wants to cut the defense budget by cutting benefits for active duty and retired personnel. Then he backtracks and says just make all these changes for anybody new?
I personally think to do any of that would be extremely short sighted, because I believe if you want to attract and retain qualified people, you have to make it worth their time.
You should know more than anyone about the relationship between morale and performance.
Baha right. In a debate over compensation level retirement benefiits are absolutely relevant. Good try though, I can see why you don’t want to say, it ruins your entire point.
I’ll tell ya what. Go sit with a new teacher a week. Ask them how many hours they put in. Then tell me if they are compensated enough. Don’t cherry pick either and pick the best school. go to one some where in the middle like Tates creek high school.
For starters you don’t know how much compensation I receive in retirement benefits. What I pay in healthcare. You only know I’m retired. Sorry but I’m not posting all my personal financial information on an anonymous message forum. You get what I gave you that I still need to generate income and I bought years. You don’t know my highest average salary none of that. You’re not going to get that info from me either. You have teachers leaving dropping like flies from their profession and staging walkouts. That should tell you all you need to know
The pay is the same at every school in Fayette County. Your numbers simply don’t match up.
And I’m not arguing that teachers don’t work hard and I don’t think they are underpaid. I do think they are paid fairly for level of education and actual days worked. I do disagree with your assessment that you make $10/hr. Simply not possible.
https://www.fcps.net/cms/lib/KY01807169/Centricity/Domain/2277/salaries1718.pdf
Shouldn’t it be easy to recruit teachers if the pay and benefits are so cushy?
I mean, looking at it purely from a market point of view.
And BBUK is terrible.
I mean, looking at it purely from a market point of view.
And BBUK is terrible.
You need reading 101 too. I was/am for the raise, just tired of the whining after getting a good one. Then, the misrepresentation of the time off and early retirement benefits.
As far as performance is concerned, most business give raises and or a bonus for above average performance too. 50th in the nation in education will probably keep your pay lower, that and the states economy. If you look at the police pay in both of Kentucky and Oklahoma you will find they don't make what teachers do on average and less at entry level.
I wonder if the teachers and the union have picked a losing battle, at least in terms of public support. I’ve not seen any polling on this. The vast majority of people don’t have a pension, and most people aren’t sympathetic to complaints about pay anyway, it’s inferred as “whining”. Now, if they were to strike on the basis of working conditions, saying kids these days are simply unmanageable - now that’s a winner! I suppose you can’t pick the fight, you take the one that’s in front of you....
I can agree with you all on the OK teachers. That is a significant raise and those that are still complaining/protesting solely because of that should go home. I don’t know enough about it to say either way.
I’ve never complained about my pay and most reasonable people in my county don’t either. Not every county is equal though.
Here’s the deal. I knew as a college student that when I started the pay would not be great (this was before $40K for 1st year teachers and I wasn’t in a ‘big’ county). However I had the foresight to know that if I hung in and worked hard and was able to be proficient in my job, I would have a chance to move to a more lucrative place, and I did. I also understood that a large chunk of my paycheck was going towards retirement and I supplemented that, even as a dumb 22 year old, with another plan too. I have done everything I should in order to retire comfortably and I most likely will, whenever I feel like doing it, I still have a while. I’ll probaly end up putting in 32-33 years when it’s all said and done. What I signed up for should be there. I could live for a long time and I could keel over the day after I retire (probably from alcohol poisoning after a retirement party)
What sucks is that folks like I was in college or nearing graduation are going to look at this new plan in KY (if it holds up) and say that they could do better in another profession. That’s just a fact.
I’m not claiming to be the best or smartest or anything, but I could have had many opportunities outside of teaching had I gone in that direction. But I saw a chance to make a difference in people’s lives (sappy, I know) and make a nice living for myself.
You won’t hear me complaining about pay. Never have, never will. I know what I signed up for and I could see the end result someday.
I’ve never complained about my pay and most reasonable people in my county don’t either. Not every county is equal though.
Here’s the deal. I knew as a college student that when I started the pay would not be great (this was before $40K for 1st year teachers and I wasn’t in a ‘big’ county). However I had the foresight to know that if I hung in and worked hard and was able to be proficient in my job, I would have a chance to move to a more lucrative place, and I did. I also understood that a large chunk of my paycheck was going towards retirement and I supplemented that, even as a dumb 22 year old, with another plan too. I have done everything I should in order to retire comfortably and I most likely will, whenever I feel like doing it, I still have a while. I’ll probaly end up putting in 32-33 years when it’s all said and done. What I signed up for should be there. I could live for a long time and I could keel over the day after I retire (probably from alcohol poisoning after a retirement party)
What sucks is that folks like I was in college or nearing graduation are going to look at this new plan in KY (if it holds up) and say that they could do better in another profession. That’s just a fact.
I’m not claiming to be the best or smartest or anything, but I could have had many opportunities outside of teaching had I gone in that direction. But I saw a chance to make a difference in people’s lives (sappy, I know) and make a nice living for myself.
You won’t hear me complaining about pay. Never have, never will. I know what I signed up for and I could see the end result someday.
Seriously who the hell ***** on teachers for christs sake? This thread is absolutely unbelievable to me, have any of you seen the current generation of kids and teenagers? All the broken homes nowadays? Teachers are more important than ever, just cannot grasp shitting on a school teacher. Gotta think some of you are getting ready to go kick some puppies and kittens tonight.
Oklahoma is your problem. Police make less because they don’t have a Masters or Bachelors degree and because they will work for what they are paid. If your teachers won’t work for what you want, you can pay them more, find different ones, or do without.
Missed the point again, most get paid for performance and or states economy as well. Finding different ones is not happening because of unions. Easy to say harder to do but, THEY GOT A GOOD PAY RAISE BEFORE THE STRIKE. There was a good attempt to keep them.
Yep...my dad retired at 54 and died at 81....made WAY more in retirement than he did while being a teacher/principal....THAT is why the thing is busted
I know in Kentucky every school system sets its own pay scale based on experience and education level attained INDEPENDENTLY based on what they can afford and the quality of candidate they wish to attract. The State sets the education requirements for each position and a minimum salary. If the “union” controls salary, why do teachers in Elliott make $20K less than teachers in Jefferson County?
Your state is in a mess because you have postponed being competitive with surrounding states and people who have options choose them and people who don’t become radical and disruptive.
Oooo it's so smart, quick, and special. Yuse too smart. Are you related to buckethead? You know, Gomer...
But they SELF-REPORTED that they work less hours than comparable other professions.
So while SOME good teachers may work more hours, your average teacher (based on thousands of responses) readily admits they work less hours than other professionals.
And again, this is information coming from teachers... this isn't some made up study; its teachers themselves admitting their lack of work.
You might want to write this down:
Those who do, do; those who can't, teach.
I think if we all thought along those lines, this country, nay, this world would be a much better place.
Peace.
Those who do, do; those who can't, teach.
I think if we all thought along those lines, this country, nay, this world would be a much better place.
Peace.
Higher Ed and public education are in different worlds. You keep throwing references to practices in higher ed and trying to rope in elementary and secondary education.
Claiming that "the union had damaged education" lacks the knowledge of the teaching profession pre-union days. That's kind of like saying that unions damaged the mining industry. There are few professions where a larger % of those who enter it leave in the first 5 years.
Teachers can only work with the resources they are given. My daughter teaches Kindergarten. Her first job was in an urban school where 1st day of class she had 3 students out of the whole class that could count to 10 and write their name...not to mention the discipline problems. Her second year she moved to a different school, still teaching kindergarten where every kid knew their numbers, could count well past 10 knew their alphabet, most could read...all on the first day. What is obvious is that one group had parents that nourished their children's desire to learn...the other I guess figure that the classroom was the only place their kids could learn readin' and ritein'...
Tell me how you measure one against the other? "Testing" says that her first school was a failing school and the second school was exemplary.
The problem is that you have people that have never been in a classroom trying to make rules and set expectations for teachers. If a school is failing rarely is it because of the teachers.
I have no idea what you mean by "ridiculous benefits". I'd love to put you in front of a classroom for a school calendar year and then get you opinion.
The unions have ruined it...just like anything else they become about making the union stronger and protecting those in bureaucracy at the board level. None of that money shows up for the kids. Look at Democrat utopia Detroit...they just continue to poor money into their schools...never improve. I'm sure someone at the board got a nice car or house tho.
This is true...many of my college professors told me the reason they were in academia is because they couldn't make it in the real world.
I've been in the military, I come from a family of teachers, I work in the public education system, and I feel perfectly comfortable in saying teachers are compensated appropriately.
I think your wife is lying to you with the intent of hiding her money if you think she has poor retirement and health insurance.
You are a crybaby. You sit in an air conditioned room all day and MIGHT deal with 2 or 3 hotheads. when I was in school 20 years ago you could get Saturday school for peeing in the wrong urinal. Have administration's across the state really wusses out that much in 20 years?
My wife student taught at bryan station. She loved it. Go cry into your pillow.
You know how many people in the private sector retire at 48? Sheesh. You're right about that.
Where is the teachers only country club at?
I handle all the finances, so I know where everything is. Although we are in Texas, so it’s probably different here. For retirement, she has money taken out into a pension instead of social security, so no help there. If she wants to put additional money in, they’ll match a whopping 50% up to 1% of her salary. My 401k beats the hell out of that. Regarding health insurance, when we had to go on her plan once for a year, we were paying $1,300/mo for family and still had to pay quite a bit out of pocket. With my health insurance, I pay $300/mo. and our out of pocket on day to day expenses is a lot less.
one of my favorite teachers was mr. Walker. Awesome teacher. Had him for civics and AP European History. He hit the door every day at 3:10 sharp to pick up his daughter at another school.
Maybe he had a lot of work he took home. Who knows. Guess what... we all do. And we aren't hitting the door at 3:10.
They are staging walkouts because they want to keep their sweetheart benefits package instead of having to manage their own portfolio and retire close to 70 like the rest of us.
I have social security for “guaranteed” income to supplement. Teachers don’t put into social security, so to me it’s a wash. Having a 401k with a much better match is better. If it’s managed well, the risk is low, I’m not to worried about it.
I guess it depends on how much each person values education. Conceivably some people might be anti-learning and anti-facts.
The guaranteed income off of a 5% (roughly) contribution is significantly less than the guaranteed benefit off a teacher's contribution.
Most moderate advisors recommend a 3-4% withdrawal rate off of a retirement portfolio. That means a $50k retirement benefit is eqivalent to a $1.5M nest egg.