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How does this work? for instance.
in 3A West St Stephens is #32 and North Lincoln is #34
North Lincoln beat St Stephens and is ahead in conference.
Since NL beat St Stephens and ahead in conference but behind in RPI's.
Who get in if this is final?
 
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Well it seems that if this stands after next week. St Stephens want get in unless NL gets in!
 
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I've got a question, West Forsyth #30 plays East Forsyth "the number #1 or #2 team in the state. I think I've seen Maxpreps move up the losing team like West Forsyth even with a loss this weekend. In Fact, I know I've seen teams move up in their ranking with a loss to a really good team.. Is this possible? ...too me it is …but I just don't know. That means West is already in...
 
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It’s possible and I think they are in. I think the only shuffle may come from South Iredell and N. Meck. SW plays #16 NW and they could stay or move up due to NW high RPI.
The other teams aren’t playing anyone with a high RPI except S. Iredell and McDowell. McDowell is to far down imo and S. Iredell could slip but who knows.
 
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CPC4LIFE said:
I've got a question, West Forsyth #30 plays East Forsyth "the number #1 or #2 team in the state. I think I've seen Maxpreps move up the losing team like West Forsyth even with a loss this weekend. In Fact, I know I've seen teams move up in their ranking with a loss to a really good team.. Is this possible? ...too me it is but I just don't know. That means West is already in...
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The main Flaw in the NCHSAA RPI's is the % of the OOWP. It is 30% IMO should be 10%. The 30% is killing the rankings(RPI's)
 
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CPC4LIFE said:
Does MaxPreps factor in margin of victory in their calculations? Just curious
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No sir just a teams winning % (30)and their opponents winning %(40) and the opponents opponents winning %( 30)

There is no factor for score differential in the RPI formula. A 1-0 win counts the same as 50-1.
 
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nepsy7 said:
What % is strength of schedule?
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I'm just guessing but I think these 3 factors make up SOS...Teams winning % (30) and their opponents winning %(40) and the opponents opponents winning %( 30)
=100% ... I think.. Don Hines knows for sure
 
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Hon Dines said:
How does this work? for instance.
in 3A West St Stephens is #32 and North Lincoln is #34
North Lincoln beat St Stephens and is ahead in conference.
Since NL beat St Stephens and ahead in conference but behind in RPI's.
Who get in if this is final?
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As I understand it, neither team would get in. A team cannot “leapfrog “ another team that finished ahead of them in conference standings to get into the playoffs even if their RPI is higher.
 
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NU2TSO NY said:
I'm learning some stuff here . You got your schedule picked,you get a pre-season prediction of where your team is predicted to place in the conference. But if the team predicted to do well doesn't it hurts your team RPI, Thats crazy .....
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BINGO!
 
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Deana_King said:
Team A goes 10-0 and plays a subpar schedule can be seeded lower than a team that may go 9-1 or 8-2 that played a tougher schedule.
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And this is fair, what isn’t fair is the oowp counting so much in that RPI. A teams winning percentage and their opponents winning percentage should be at least 80% of the RPI, a team has zero control over how other teams schedule. A bottom team in a conference year in year out will typically play a weak schedule just to get a win or two and that hurts top teams in the RPI because their opponent opponents have a horrible winning percentage. In our conference North Buncombe plays a VERY weak non conference and that hurts our RPI and we can’t control it at all!
 
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I think 60/30/10 or 50/40/10 should be the percentages used instead of the current 30/40/30. Essentially you can control winning and losing and who you play (minus who you have to play in conference). You have zero control of other teams and their schedules but yet that has the same weight as winning percentage?

I think the calculation of RPI should be re-visited. Love that NCHSAA is using RPI, but it needs to be tweaked.
 
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In reference to North Buncombe weak non conference schedule, they did play a good Andrews team this year but typically Andrews isn’t all that good. Other then that they played Madison, East Henderson, and Swain.
 
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Deana_King said:
I totally understand. My team has lost to 3 teams with a combined record of 26-1 heading into this week and we also beat an 8-1 squad. We have been in the top 10-15 range all season. But the OOWP needs lesser impact like a 10%.
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Deana...any chance the NCHSAA re-visits this at some point before the 23-24 school year?
 
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Everyone can see the NCHSAA RPI here: NCHSAA RPI Rankings

I'm using 4A West as an example. I have done the RPI with 60/30/10 and 50/40/10.
Results of 60% WP/30% OWP/10% OOWP

1 Grimsley .83772
2 East Forsyth .81517
3 Watauga .78149
4 Mooresville .76449
5 AC Reynolds .75425
6 Olympic .74849
7 Weddington .74723
8 Hough .72642
9 Butler .72615
10 Independence .71576
11 Mallard Creek .71221
12 Chambers .70622
13 Asheville .69996
14 Cox Mill .69995
15 Mount Tabor .68387
16 Reagan .68307
17 Charlotte Catholic .67903
18 NW Guilford .67562
19 Ardrey Kell .67028
20 Lake Norman .65185
21 TC Roberson .62262
22 SE Guilford .61259
23 Porter Ridge .59626
24 Hickory Ridge .59389
25 Page .57149
26 Marvin Ridge .54423
27 AL Brown .54019
28 SW Guilford .52240
29 North Meck .52058
30 McDowell .51096
31 Providence .49341
32 West Forsyth .49103
33 Alexander Central .48927
34 South Iredell .47546
35 South Caldwell .46898
36 Northern Guilford .46616
37 South Meck .44874
38 Davie .42304
39 Myers Park .42127
40 Sun Valley .41434
41 Glenn .41169
42 Cuthbertson .37218
43 Harding .36875
44 East Meck .31807
45 RJ Reynolds .31673
46 Hopewell .30619
47 Ragsdale .30375
48 Rocky River .29775
49 Berry .28010
50 West Cabarrus .26795
51 Palisades .23459
52 Piedmont .22435
53 Western Guilford .22105
54 Garinger .18865
55 Parkland .16599
 
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Eagles/Trojans13 said:
Everyone can see the NCHSAA RPI here: NCHSAA RPI Rankings

I'm using 4A West as an example. I have done the RPI with 60/30/10 and 50/40/10.
Results of 60% WP/30% OWP/10% OOWP

1 Grimsley .83772
2 East Forsyth .81517
3 Watauga .78149
4 Mooresville .76449
5 AC Reynolds .75425
6 Olympic .74849
7 Weddington .74723
8 Hough .72642
9 Butler .72615
10 Independence .71576
11 Mallard Creek .71221
12 Chambers .70622
13 Asheville .69996
14 Cox Mill .69995
15 Mount Tabor .68387
16 Reagan .68307
17 Charlotte Catholic .67903
18 NW Guilford .67562
19 Ardrey Kell .67028
20 Lake Norman .65185
21 TC Roberson .62262
22 SE Guilford .61259
23 Porter Ridge .59626
24 Hickory Ridge .59389
25 Page .57149
26 Marvin Ridge .54423
27 AL Brown .54019
28 SW Guilford .52240
29 North Meck .52058
30 McDowell .51096
31 Providence .49341
32 West Forsyth .49103
33 Alexander Central .48927
34 South Iredell .47546
35 South Caldwell .46898
36 Northern Guilford .46616
37 South Meck .44874
38 Davie .42304
39 Myers Park .42127
40 Sun Valley .41434
41 Glenn .41169
42 Cuthbertson .37218
43 Harding .36875
44 East Meck .31807
45 RJ Reynolds .31673
46 Hopewell .30619
47 Ragsdale .30375
48 Rocky River .29775
49 Berry .28010
50 West Cabarrus .26795
51 Palisades .23459
52 Piedmont .22435
53 Western Guilford .22105
54 Garinger .18865
55 Parkland .16599
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50%WP/40%OWP/10%OOWP
1 Grimsley
2 East Forsyth
3 Watauga
4 Mooresville
5 AC Reynolds
6 Hough
7 Weddington
8 Mallard Creek
9 Chambers
10 Butler
11 Asheville
12 Olympic
13 Cox Mill
14 Independence
15 Mount Tabor
16 Reagan
17 Charlotte Catholic
18 NW Guilford
19 Ardrey Kell
20 Lake Norman
21 TC Roberson
22 Hickory Ridge
23 SE Guilford
24 Page
25 Porter Ridge
26 Marvin Ridge
27 AL Brown
28 SW Guilford
29 North Meck
30 Providence
31 West Forsyth
32 Alexander Central
33 McDowell
34 South Iredell
35 South Caldwell
36 Northern Guilford
37 South Meck
38 Davie
39 Myers Park
40 Sun Valley
41 Glenn
42 Cuthbertson
43 Harding
44 Hopewell
45 Ragsdale
46 Rocky River
47 East Meck
48 West Cabarrus
49 RJ Reynolds
50 Berry
51 Piedmont
52 Western Guilford
53 Palisades
54 Garinger
55 Parkland
 
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Since you’re a mathematician (good job), who gets in out of:
29. Alexander Central (Plays Freedom)
30. W. Forsyth (plays East Forsyth)
31. SW (Plays Northwest)
32. S. Iredell (Plays Cox Mill)

33. N. Meck (Plays W. Charlotte)
obviously just your opinion based on the math.
 
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I think Alexander Central, West Forsyth, North Meck and then I have no clue. SWG, South Iredell, McDowell and Northern Guilford all have games that they probably are going to lose. Don't think Davie jumps all of them with a win vs Glenn

As you said, just a guess...don't have the time to go do all the teams OWP and OOWP to give you a real accurate answer but just my guess
 
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Northern can’t jump SW
Davie wont jump
S. Iredell plays #10 Cox Mill and SW plays #16 Northwest. I think All of them may lose except for AC and NM. I think S. Iredell may be off team out.
 
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I’ve heard a lot of people not liking the OOWP being too much in the consideration, so who knows.

I know there is something going around wanting to expand the number of classifications to have 64 total teams in a class.
 
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loveithere said:
I thought there was roughly 400 public high schools.
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Welp, this goes to show you, that you shouldn't just trust what google says. I wrote that post hastily, and I should have known better.
Calpreps has 414 public high schools in NC. Divide that by 64, and its roughly 6 and 1/2 classifications.
 
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No they are being proactive in the growth of this state. It’s basically been 4 classes since 1985 and NC’s population has grown rapidly.

Right now there might be enough for 7 classes. But a lot of the smaller schools (prep and charters) don’t play all sports.

i think 5 classes would be adequate. The biggest margins are in 1A and 4A.
 
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prep schools, charter schools, parochial schools, and counties with open enrollment maybe just play in their own classification :oops:
 
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