Tebow seems to be getting hammered by all the "experts." Didnt hear

[clydefrazier]

Michael Irvin and Chris Carter blasting Jamarcus Russell this bad or Vince Young. Dude has played two games and is getting some vicious feedback.
Michael Irvin never says anything negative about a black player for one but I think Tebow's non-wavering stand on being a Christian invites some of this.
I am pulling for him because he doesnt cave to political correctness and anyone Keshaun (sp) Johnson and Irvin blast, I hope does well.

 

[clydefrazier]

Michael Irvin and Chris Carter blasting Jamarcus Russell this bad or Vince Young. Dude has played two games and is getting some vicious feedback.
Michael Irvin never says anything negative about a black player for one but I think Tebow's non-wavering stand on being a Christian invites some of this.
I am pulling for him because he doesnt cave to political correctness and anyone Keshaun (sp) Johnson and Irvin blast, I hope does well.

 

[tenureplan]

Go read any article about Christianity on cnn.com and then look at the comments.

lock it up

 

[FlabLoser]

Keyshawn Johnson...one time Mississippi State commit. Would have played with Eric Moulds I think.

 

[Hanmudog]

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20111031/Couch-NFL-Broncos-Tebow/

Probably pure crap but makes you think.

 

[EAVdog]

Fox is a retread. John Elway is now running the show from the shadows. Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Tebow might never really make it in the NFL or maybe he will if put in the right offense but I don't think anyone is going to be successful in Denver for quite a while.
The vitriol is over the top though. If the guy stinks it up then he stinks it up. He certainly won't be the first big name QB to bust. I think sports journalism in general has become way too issue oriented. I'mnot into hookers or coke so I really could care less what Keyshaun Johnson or Micheal Irvin's opinions are on anything other than just the x's and o's of football.

 

[Buford T. Justice]

I don't think Tebow is ready now and may never be ready. However, Fox is doing him no favors. I think Fox wants him to fail so that he will be traded and Fox can have "his guy" at QB. Tebow isn't, and never will be, Fox's guy. The coaching and play calling is not helping Tebow succeed. I can promise you that.

 

[FQDawg]

Not just commit. Johnson actually signed a LOI to come to State and, yes, was in the same class as Moulds. But I think he didn't make his grades (or something), ended up at a JUCO and then obviously went to Southern Cal.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

seriously people, if you are gonna attack everyone who points out the problems with tebow's game as unfairly attacking himbecausehe's an outspoken christian, then of course the bakclash is gonna be even greater. even among the christians who fairly point out tebow's shortcoming from a purely analytical reason.<div>
</div><div>"yeah tebow sucks, he has awful footwork, he can't read defenses, he stares down receivers, he has poor mechanics, and ultimately, his style doesn't translate to the NFL"
</div><div>
</div><div>"well, you didn't get on jamarcus russell like this! you hate him cause he loves jesus! rabble rabble rabble!"</div><div>
</div><div>of course there is gonna be backlash when your analytical integrity is questioned for a completely non-analytical reason.</div><div>
</div><div>face it, tebow is one of the most popular college players in history. he's going to attract a lot more attention than someone like jamarcus russell (who is still widely known and referred to as one of the biggest busts in NFL history, but don't let that cloud your reasoning) who while a #1 pick never had the popularity tebow brought with him to the NFL.</div><div>
</div><div>there are countless outspoken christian athletes who have succeeded and had their praises sung by the same guys bashing tebow. like kurt warner. </div>

 

[Coach34]

they are not very good on the OL, their best WR is a white guy nobody named Decker, and the Moreno-McGahee RB tandem stays hurt<div>
</div><div>They arent exactly giving him much to work with. Tom Brady would be getting his *** beat there too</div>

 

[patdog]

that everyone knew he wasn't going to quality but Jackie just kept bugging the hell out of him about signing, so he signed basically just to get Jackie off his back.

 

[boatsnhoes]

talking heads at ESPN getting on Tebows ***...this total douche Kevin Saulk. 17, he has started 5 games and he is 2-3. Every single QB in NFL history stumbles their whole first year. Peyton and Eli both sucked. He has to have a little time to learn while playing....game reps!!!!! Maybe he won't make it, maybe he doesn't have the tools but **** give him more than 2 games. Denvers offense does suck balls, they have no weapons, and the one they had they traded to St Louis.

I think they hate him because of his popularity, christianity, his likability. He is an easy target....he's not a damn drug head getting arrested wearing gold chains/teeth and earrings, riding down the road drunk, carrying a loaded weapon, with 8lbs of crack in the back seat + and 7 buck naked underaged girls while beating his wife in the front seat.

 

[Shmuley]

Like when pointing out that there's an unqualified community organizer disciple of Saul Alinsky occupying the white house. Calling him out as an unqualified dolt is racist.

face it, BO is one of the most popular flash in the pan politicians in history. he's going to attract a lot more attention than someone like John Edwards (who is still widely known and referred to as one of the biggest dirtbags in political history, but don't let that cloud your reasoning) who while a golden boy pick never had the popularity BO brought with him to the national political stage.

 

[GloryDawg]

It doesn't matter who their QB is until they get some good offensive lineman, wide recievers, and running backs. No QB will be good on this team as it stands right now.

 

[Notch Johnson dawg]

this past Sunday I did what I usually do at 3:15 and switch it from the RedZone channel to the Denver game. I watched the entire debacle. Between this week and last week's Tebow starts, I have noticed a trend,

1. Tebow is never going to be confused with a good NFL quarterback. He does some things okay, but he isn't the answer over a multi-year stretch. I think this point is universally agreed upon.

2. The offense he is asked to run is NOT set up for him to succeed. When you have someone with his skill-set, you need to conform the offense to those skills. What does John Fox do? Put him under center, take 7 step drop passes and run the ball continuously on first and second down always making third down a chore. Last year under McDaniel's at least he understood how to utilize Tebow and his stats showed it.
- no RB screens
- no WR bubble screens or quick hitters
- no designed QB runs out of the shotguns
- not rolling him out of the pocket to give him the run/pass option

I believe that Fox/Elway want the fans to be behind their decision to draft a QB with a top 5 pick next season. In order to do that, they need to make it abundantly clear that Tebow can not lead the team. Based upon the offensive gameplan I've seen the past two weeks, they are making sure he doesn't put up good stats or putting him a position to succeed. If he were to reel off win streak, they would look very bad.

I hope we draft a QB early because he isn't the answer, but it is embarrassing to watch him under center until the last 4 minutes of each half.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

what inspired your obama hating rant?

 

[Shmuley]

nothing about my post was (1) a rant; nor, (2) "hating"

It's a statement of fact. He's not qualified (just like Tebow is not qualified) and he is protected from criticism for his lack of qualifications by cries of racism (similar to Tebow supporters using the cloak of morality to protect Tebow from criticism).

Just making a simple, accurate comparison.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

also by inserting all the "communityorganizerdisciple of Saul Alinsky" part, you are bringing in worthless information showing your true bias. if you wanted to stay on message and actually try to persuade someone you'd stick with "unqualified" and then bring up points regarding inexperience.<div>
</div><div>instead what you did was akin to saying tebow is a "jesus loving ****** NFL QB". when if you want to attack tebow, you merely need to leave religious part at the door and look at the game film.</div><div>
</div><div>i don't get why pointing out the logical thought process inspired you to attack obama, like someone has to be some uber liberal if they defend a sportscaster's right to criticize tebow's play on the field and explain why tebow gets more attention than say jamarcus russell.</div>

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

it was a rant, and yes it was "hating". it's a dumbass comparison and you are just trying to be cute. leave the biased political ******** at the door and either agree or disagree without trying to stir a completely difference pot. <div>
</div><div>also the "if you disagree with obama you are racist" thing is brought up repeatedly by the republicans, but in reality outside of a handful of dembasses on the left who really don't know anything outside talking points, the racial thing has been pretty much non-existent outside of a few select issues (i.e. birther movement), but at no point as obama been shielded from criticism regarding policy due to race. </div>

 

[Shmuley]

It's a perfect comparison and you can't handle the truth.

So go ******* yourself.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

Orton is average, and he threw for almost 3700 yards w/ 20 td's to 9 picks with this team last year in 13 games.<div>
</div><div>An article on ESPN said after the 1st possession Sunday, they had 7 straight 3 and outs, I wonder if that's EVER happened before, it was the worst thing I've ever seen in an NFL game, it wasn't your average sucky performance.</div><div>
</div><div>For as much as people think his teammates "rally" around him, why do we hear constantly in the media that the players will lose respect for the coaches if they started Tebow? It means a lot when a guy like Decker states to the media "it's frustrating at times to play w/ Tim." Or Champ Bailey saying something to the effect of "if this were a different QB w/ a different name he wouldn't keep getting the chance to play." There's a reason why his teammates don't want him to play</div><div>
</div><div>I don't buy that the Broncos are setting him up to fail on purpose, they know their season is over, so they would rather take the time to see if he can run the offense they want to run long term instead of testing out an offense specifically designed for him. NFL guys are reluctant to commit to a spread, so they want to see if he can run what they consider a traditional NFL passing game.</div><div>
</div><div>Just saying "he's a winner" isn't enough to cut it.</div>

 

[drt7891]

nm

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

folks, i hope any sane person, republican, democrat, or other has the ability to recognize Shmuley is exhibit 1 why this country is going into the *******. there is a time and place to discuss politics, no need to shoe horn it into a discussion over tebow. furthermore, what happened to disagreeing but remaining civil about it? there are people on both sides who refuse to get to know someone from the other side of the aisle on a personal level. this is disturbing. it's really depressing looking around america today. it's like we've just forgotten how to discuss topics. learn to be reasonable, learn to disagreerespectfully, and learn to make your point without falling into cliche attacks intended to trigger an emotional response. you can still be friends with someone on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

 

[tenureplan]

You hate Jesus and Tebow and love Obama...

That makes sense

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

You hate Jesus and Tebow and love Obama...

That makes sense

really? i hope this is a sarcastic post. <div>
</div><div>i think analysts are negative on tebow for only football reasons. i think people should lay off the "you hate tebow cause he is a christian" angle because it just rubs folks the wrong way who only dislike tebow for football reasons. in fact, most analysts go out of their way to praise him as a person.</div><div>
</div><div>as for obama, i'm not a republican, but i'm not happy with obama either. i'd prefer to think i'm unbiased enough to take all the info in and make an informed decision rather than holler about whatever my side tells me to holler about. i just think it was unnecessary to even bring that in the thread. i also am a pretty huge proponent for quality arguing if you are gonna start arguing. </div>

 

[Shmuley]

You refer to my comparison as a hate-filled "rant," but now you demand civility?

Just what you should expect out of a f'n liberal piece of ****. Man up and argue, *****. Leave the politically correct *** **** at the house.

This is the future of the country we're talking about here, people. This is serious business. Ain't no sense in trying to reason with those MFers camped out in those parks. They want to end your way of life, people.

 

[tenureplan]

nm

 

[Shmuley]

I went back and re-read my post. Man, I went full Fox News there. I think I spit on something. And may have soiled my undergarment.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

You refer to my comparison as a hate-filled "rant," but now you demand civility?

Just what you should expect out of a f'n liberal piece of ****. Man up and argue, *****. Leave the politically correct *** **** at the house.

This is the future of the country we're talking about here, people. This is serious business. Ain't no sense in trying to reason with those MFers camped out in those parks. They want to end your way of life, people.

if saying you went on a "rant" is being uncivil, well then, by all means, i guess i'm uncivil.<div>
</div><div>and yeah, the occupy movement is full of some of the dumbasses without a clue what's going on. however, big businesses like boeing or apple or ford or chevron or whoever are not even in the same ballpark as the financial giants primarily under fire from the occupy stuff. those companies actually makeproductsand provide a useful service to society. financial giants are out for their own asses manipulating the markets and betting against the AAA mortgages they just got your retirement plan to invest in because they fund the rating agencies that rated the mortgages AAA. completely different animals. though some of the occupy folks are all for tearing all the big businesses down, which like i said, a lot of them are dumbasses without a grasp on reality.
</div>

 

[klerushund]

...thread getting locked in t-minus three posts but I think Shmuley makes a fair comparison.<div>
</div><div>Tebow is protected, by his supporters, from legitimate criticism via his faith. At the same time, the criticism often moves from legitimate (throwing motion) to over-the-top (ubiquitous coverage).</div><div>
</div><div>Obama is protected, by his supporters, from legitimate criticism via his race. At the same time, the criticism often moves from legitimate (lack of qualifications) to over-the-top (birthers).</div><div>
</div><div>
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[Hump4Hoops]

There really is a lot of room in my heart.

Really though, The teflon image that Tebow has is a little annoying, but that's not why he gets criticism. If a player's a 4, and everyone sees him as a 4, the critics aren't going to dwell on it. The problem is that Tebow's personal life has so many so mesmerized that they think he's an 8, and that's why the critics get ants in their pants about it.

For me, as a non religious outside observer, I think Tebow's a pretty good person and a young football player that may or may not get better. Good or bad, he's still a "star," so people just need to quit bitching about all the positive AND negative attention he gets, it's going to happen whether you like it or not. I root for him because it's nice to see good people succeed, the same reason I cheer for Raplesberger and Vick to break both legs every time they step on a field. I'm just not deluding myself that he's any good (yet).

 

[Coach34]

That's much more relevant...last year he ran a different offense

Also, Denver traded their best WR right before starting Tebow- your post- as usual- was terrible

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

How many times have the liberal talking heads claimed that "socialist" has become the new n-word?

Their position has ALWAYS been that if you criticize Obama you're a racist.