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Because he will most definitely be fired after next season's brutal schedule/result anyway.

Next season would be just as well for a new coach and staff for starting over - ground zero. It will be awful either way. It would be better for it to be new. SO MUCH better for it to be new.
 
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richbrookstomato

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WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY MARK STOOPS $15 MILLION TO WALK AWAY!!!!!!

I don't mean to be so loud, but for the 1,000,000th time, Stoops will be our coach for AT LEAST 2 more seasons!!

You can thank Mitch for Coach Stoops having UK Football under his thumb for the next 3 years!!
 
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catben said:
WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY MARK STOOPS $15 MILLION TO WALK AWAY!!!!!!

I don't mean to be so loud, but for the 1,000,000th time, Stoops will be our coach for AT LEAST 2 more seasons!!

You can thank Mitch for Coach Stoops having UK Football under his thumb for the next 3 years!!
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thank you for reminding me. I needed it spoken LOUD. Not the most up to speed person on Stoop's compensation package / terms. I guess I'll just have to be sick for the rest of the afternoon. Congrats. You really stuck it in my gut.
 
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I can think of about 18,000,000 reasons why that won't happen. [winking]

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I'm not convinced that is as much a factor as everyone else. That number doesn't come down significantly for 3 more years. If you are looking at it from a cost saving stand point you have to wait to 2018 to make a move. You will lose so much money in lost ticket sales and K Fund donations waiting for that number to come down that it might end up cheaper doing it now.
 
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TBCat said:
I'm not convinced that is as much a factor as everyone else. That number doesn't come down significantly for 3 more years. If you are looking at it from a cost saving stand point you have to wait to 2018 to make a move. You will lose so much money in lost ticket sales and K Fund donations waiting for that number to come down that it might end up cheaper doing it now.
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True, not only that, but the standard modus operandi is for ADs to give their HC a 4-5 yr evergreen contract to ensure recruits that the HC will be there for all four years. The only way to bring the buyout down is the passage of time, accompanied by not extending his contract. Not extending his contract sends the signal that the AD doesn't have faith in the HC, hence undercutting his HC in recruiting. So - you can begin to see the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" vicious cycle in all of this.
 
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KopiKat said:
Because he will most definitely be fired after next season's brutal schedule/result anyway.

Next season would be just as well for a new coach and staff for starting over - ground zero. It will be awful either way. It would be better for it to be new. SO MUCH better for it to be new.
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Almost 100% correct - doubtful of the 'most definitely be fired' part. There is really absolutely no reason to keep the guy, other than the ludicrous buyout. I predict 4-8 next season, we're all here at this time next year waiting for Mitch B to get rid of the guy and then make another terrible hire. Meanwhile, there's a coach now available who's won 74% of his games, is Mitch's kind of guy(nice fellow, upstanding citizen, no controversy; they can go to church together) - Mark Richt. Of course this will never happen because we are Kentucky football.
 
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ukalum1988 said:
If you believed Barnhart back in 2002/2003, we were "this close" to hiring Bill Parcells.
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This is actually true, as recounted in Parcells' autobiography 'Parcells'. He was going to take the job and was in the process of putting a staff together when Jerry Jones called.
 
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Mark Richt is available. Is there any doubt someone's going to hire him, perhaps another P5 team. I wouldn't be surprised to see CU fire yet another coach, and go after him. Hard to argue with his record. Thing is it can't happen here. Stoops is going to be here because of the buy-out, and because some believe he can still get it done. If we're 5-7 or worse this time next year then I think it will happen.
 
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catben said:
I don't mean to be so loud, but for the 1,000,000th time, Stoops will be our coach for AT LEAST 2 more seasons!!
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^ True.

Also, it's interesting that his brother is running the exact same D scheme as UK @ Oklahoma with only marginally better recruiting classes.

The biggest difference that I currently see between UK and Oklahoma? Experience in the system and physical maturity. Those 2 things can only be fixed with time. Like 2 more years to get close to OU's level in those 2 areas.

That said, UK possibly won't be quite up to Oklahoma's level on the field in 2 years because OU is recruiting slightly better than UK... but I suspect that UK could be a whole lot better than most of the fans currently expect.

Irregardless, everybody might as well back off all of the negativity for now (since Stoops job is very safe for now) so that the next coach will hopefully have better players to work with.
 
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KopiKat said:
thank you for reminding me. I needed it spoken LOUD. Not the most up to speed person on Stoop's compensation package / terms. I guess I'll just have to be sick for the rest of the afternoon. Congrats. You really stuck it in my gut.
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You're seriously wasting your time getting "sick" over UK Football. The SEC is the tougest conference and all the schools with tradition are NOT going to go backwards so we can be a powerhouse. It's just NOT going to happen, and you are foolish to get "sick" over it. SMH.
 
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1. UK owes Stoops $15M (not $18M...this year's salary is already off the books). I think UK waits 1 year and maybe two years.
2. UK should fire Mitch this year and get an established AD under them before Stoops is fired. THis is more important than Stoops staying/Stoops going.
3. After next year, UK can have an AD in place and have less buy out money to go after the next coach.

At most...I'd bring in some new assistants to sale some newness of the program (especially on offense)....while waiting to get a new AD. 5 straight losing seasons under Mitch's 2 football hires along with Gillespie fiasco si mkore than enough to fire him.
 
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Icecoldbrewdoggy said:
You're seriously wasting your time getting "sick" over UK Football. The SEC is the tougest conference and all the schools with tradition are NOT going to go backwards so we can be a powerhouse. It's just NOT going to happen, and you are foolish to get "sick" over it. SMH.
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Just do what most everyone will do. Stop going to the games.
 
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1. UK owes Stoops $15M (not $18M...this year's salary is already off the books). I think UK waits 1 year and maybe two years.
2. UK should fire Mitch this year and get an established AD under them before Stoops is fired. THis is more important than Stoops staying/Stoops going.
3. After next year, UK can have an AD in place and have less buy out money to go after the next coach.

At most...I'd bring in some new assistants to sale some newness of the program (especially on offense)....while waiting to get a new AD. 5 straight losing seasons under Mitch's 2 football hires along with Gillespie fiasco si mkore than enough to fire him.
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How much is Mitch's buyout ? Wouldn't it be cheaper to get rid of him, give Stoops another year for the new football first AD to assess him
 
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catsall said:
Just do what most everyone will do. Stop going to the games.
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I don't want us to be bad, but I feel dumb for how much time I've wasted on UK football over the years. I do think yesterday "broke" some of the diehards. They had to be embarrassed leaving the stadium after we got beat 38-3 from the time Josh through the ball into the stands. I don't live where I can go to the games, but I re-arrange every Saturday so I can watch them and sadly, I'll do it again next year.

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I keep hearing about the buyout and maybe that's the reason but I'm pretty sure UK is printing money.

I think the main reason is Mitch thinks Stoops is the guy. It's been proven over and over Barnhardt is one stubborn guy even when it's obvious he's wrong. The telling thing to me is the big money seats were pretty empty yesterday. Maybe they were in the suite but if the big money donors, (and they exist in football just like basketball) demand a change, a change will be made.
 
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Won't there be a $30+ million dollar check from SEC Network revenues coming in after the new year? There's your buyout money right there. Of course, then there'd be less money to spend on Mitch's(and some fan's) precious non-revenue sports...
 
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Was listening to a sports radio talk show a couple weeks ago and they had a very interesting discussion about how a Power 5 school should NEVER hire a offensive/defensive coordinator for a head coaching position.

Reviewed a couple of recent examples and pointed out how rarely those hires work out. I agree with them 100%. There is an immense difference between being a head coach and a coordinator, and not all good coordinators have the skills or personality to excel as the head man.

2-3 years from now, when and if Stoops is fired, all I know is that we need to hire a guy who has been successful as a head coach somewhere, even at a mid-major. Look how many great coaches have started out at schools like Murray State or WKU.
 
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Even if UK fired Stoops and hired a new coach, am I the only one that would have trouble being optimistic that it would work out?

It was just three years ago we did all of this before. The hype was so strong for Stoops. He was bringing in the recruits, getting the University to finally start investing in football infrastructure, marketing the program better, etc. Pretty much everything we wanted. Excitement for the program was off the charts.

I said a couple years ago that if Stoops can't do it then I don't know if anybody can at UK. If it comes to firing him, it's going to be extremely difficult for me to be as excited about the future of UK football as I was three years ago.
 
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zannmann

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We don't have money for a buyout. We have to use it to fund soccer, gymnastics, rifle team, tidly winks and other sports no one gives a toot about.
 
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^ True.

Also, it's interesting that his brother is running the exact same D scheme as UK @ Oklahoma with only marginally better recruiting classes.

The biggest difference that I currently see between UK and Oklahoma? Experience in the system and physical maturity. Those 2 things can only be fixed with time. Like 2 more years to get close to OU's level in those 2 areas.

That said, UK possibly won't be quite up to Oklahoma's level on the field in 2 years because OU is recruiting slightly better than UK... but I suspect that UK could be a whole lot better than most of the fans currently expect.
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WTF? "Close to OU's level" in 2 years? "...possibly won't be quite up to Oklahoma's level?" LOLOLOLOL

We're miles behind Louisville, which spotted us a 21-0 lead and then beat our brains in, not to mention their win streak over us. We struggled to beat a .500 FCS team at home and had to hang on for dear life against a directional school... and you're talking about "OU's level?"

Good Lord... :flush: [eyeroll]
 
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WTF? "Close to OU's level" in 2 years? "...possibly won't be quite up to Oklahoma's level?" LOLOLOLOL

We're miles behind Louisville, which spotted us a 21-0 lead and then beat our brains in, not to mention their win streak over us. We struggled to beat a .500 FCS team at home and had to hang on for dear life against a directional school... and you're talking about "OU's level?"

Good Lord... :flush: [eyeroll][/QUOTE
Playoffs? Playoffs? I just want to win a game...
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Won't there be a $30+ million dollar check from SEC Network revenues coming in after the new year? There's your buyout money right there. Of course, then there'd be less money to spend on Mitch's(and some fan's) precious non-revenue sports...
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That money is already budgeted. It is not like uk all of a sudden checks the bank account and $30M.
 
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OHIO COLONEL

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TJS4UK said:
^ True.

Also, it's interesting that his brother is running the exact same D scheme as UK @ Oklahoma with only marginally better recruiting classes.

The biggest difference that I currently see between UK and Oklahoma? Experience in the system and physical maturity. Those 2 things can only be fixed with time. Like 2 more years to get close to OU's level in those 2 areas.

That said, UK possibly won't be quite up to Oklahoma's level on the field in 2 years because OU is recruiting slightly better than UK... but I suspect that UK could be a whole lot better than most of the fans currently expect.

Irregardless, everybody might as well back off all of the negativity for now (since Stoops job is very safe for now) so that the next coach will hopefully have better players to work with.
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Pretty much agree. Only thing that makes a difference is that a slightly better recruiting class than UK puts OU pretty much at the top of the Big12. Our class, even tho' with Stoops they have been some of the best we've seen at UK and Top 30 nationwide, still puts us 10th, 12th in the SEC. Even though the recruiting is similar, it becomes a big difference IMO when you can rack up Ws in your conference and start gaining confidence versus losing games and losing confidence. Much like Iowa and UNC this year. Not great recruiting classes I think, but good enough to start winning against less than stellar competition to the point the players really buy in and get that swagger.
 
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I am definitely not happy with this years results. But the truth of the matter is that we still are lacking the depth and talent to be competitive in the SEC. With our injuries and lack of outside linebackers we were not competitive with UL. Unfortunately that is where our football program is at this time. We could be 2 years away.
 
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WKU coach makes 675k a year ,I bet he love to have this job,he beat Vandy an gave LSU a good game
 
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I'm not convinced that is as much a factor as everyone else. That number doesn't come down significantly for 3 more years. If you are looking at it from a cost saving stand point you have to wait to 2018 to make a move. You will lose so much money in lost ticket sales and K Fund donations waiting for that number to come down that it might end up cheaper doing it now.
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I'm sure UK will crunch the numbers. But if ticket sales do drop over several years they seldom rebound to high level in the first year of a new staff unless maybe it is a true home run hire. I misspoke about the ~$18M (that included this year's salary which is a done deal). If terminated immediately after...

2015 season (i.e., before 12/1/17), 100% of remaining compensation is $15.5M
2016 season (i.e., before 12/1/17), 100% of remaining compensation is $12.0M
2017 season (i.e., before 12/1/17), 80% of remaining compensation is $6.6M (EDIT)

Termination is certainly not going to happen this year because it is too expensive AND there are too many "higher tier" jobs than UK now open. IOW, virtually impossible to land a home run hire this year. After 2016 it is still a $12M giveaway and the UKAA will likely be underwriting debt service on the pledged academic infrastructure as well as CWS (i.e., ~$180M total). I simply would not expect a buy out until after the 2017 season. Barnhart really screwed up with that contract extension last year.

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