He is in fact a very bright guy. That said, calling offensive and defensive plays is a rare talent. I heard a former successful NFL coach get asked why so many retreads get hired as coordinators in the NFL. His answer was just that. Very few guys have that rare talent. I don’t think Butler has that kind of talent. He might be a great teacher.
The Butler Did It!
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The O line and Dylan’s injuries have been killers this year. Gottula was never healthy before he went down for good. Dana has frustrated me at times with his play calling but that’s likely going to be the case no matter who our OC is. Stuff isn’t always going to work.
I find this very hard to believe. He has an ego & FU money. He's not going to be forced to do anything.
Wonder if there's going to be any decommits on defense that liked Butler?
Perhaps MR wasn't enthused with those committed kids and doesn't care if they leave.
Odem is highly rated.
Perhaps MR wasn't enthused with those committed kids and doesn't care if they leave.
Odem is highly rated.
So good he got fired. He gave up HUGE offensive numbers in their national championship year with a defense loaded with NFL players. His value as a DC is vastly overrated.
The only reason to fire a DC after one season is a switch in scheme the DC won't know.
When a team loses its starting RT and QB all bets are off. Being forced to have a true freshman QB make his first starts with your 4th best OT on his right side isn’t a recipe for success.
Matt literally begged Dana to come here about 10 games into last season, if Dana didn't tell him what his requirements were for the job, that's on Dana and I think he can speak his mind when he's doing someone a professional favor.
And yet, the defense gets gouged for 40 points the last two games.
His best value would be as a NFL defensive position coach. Yeah he knows A LOT about defense and can teach. The problem is that he couldn’t translate it to many college athletes with limited practice and meeting time.
Should have fired Matt's crony Snow. He ran White off and gummed up Butler's plan.
Butler's plan?
Notice how the DB's were terrible when Butler was the position coach, then magically got better when he wasn't, but the defense as a whole got worse?
you will likely not be surprised to hear that Snow will be the interim DC for the bowl game.
You think the DBs got better? I feel like they were relatively just as bad.
This my new standard as well. Get somebody that is actually doing that job, this season. And with a track record of at least some moderate success. Preferably with the P4. Try stealing somebody else’s DC for a change. Don’t promote a position coach from here or anywhere.
They were certainly better. They only really started getting bad when we had to put everyone on the line to try and stop opponents run game. IMO.
I felt like they were sticking closer to WRs this year for sure. at least two games were lost in 2024 (notably Illinois and UCLA) because WRs were just running completely free on 3rd and long.
James Williams can not come back with him.
I'm not confident enough to say certainly better. I don't really have a stance on it, so I could definitely be convinced.
I feel like the DB room was very hot and cold this year, a lot of up and down. Both years we consistently had bad angles, missed tackles, and the secondary forced less turnovers this year. They definitely weren't the worst part of our defense though.
James Williams finished the year with just 1 fewer sack than our leader in that category.
FSU totaled 31 sacks this season. we only managed 19.
Williams cranked out 1.5 sacks for those who don't want to look.
I'm probably the last guy in on this thought, but I have a feeling we'll be starting Gramstad at QB for the bowl.
I think there's a 51% chance of you being right. DR shelved by an injury, and what if TJ has a lingering type hamstring issue?
Can you say HH?
I think Butler is kind of a scapegoat, I'm getting some vibes of Riley firing Banker. Did great with the secondary but he inherited a really small d-line, not sure anyone could have done much better. This is more on Rhule for letting his roster management get that bad and also on the S&C/Nutrition people for players that didn't look/play the part. Linebacker coaches, DL coaches, OL coaches need to be reevaluated.
It's so, so, so overdue.
But we're probably waiting on Dylan to make a decision first
I guess my gut feeling is that TJ will hit the road. Hopefully he plays the bowl game either way. I have nothing to base this off of, I just think Rhule is going to sell his soul (again) to keep DR and TJ will be looking for a starting gig.
Yep.
And his stint before that at YSU.
Really, any stint that didn't include Ndamukong Suh.
Dude would be a great NFL linebackers coach. But he can't run a defense.
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This is the right decision. I don't think he is a bad coach, just a bad fit for college football and in particular the Big 10. We couldn't stop the run at all using his system. I agree we need a big hire here to instill confidence in our defensive recruits.
I don't think we face enough passing teams to justify a 3-4. The Big 10 is a run-heavy conference and 4 down lineman works better.
Maybe, but can't see him getting a starting job somewhere worth it, unless he wants to go smaller.
Right now my guy says DR is looking for a starting spot somewhere else, I think that was his plan all along. Maybe I'm wrong.
If DR does leave, find some experience in the portal. Better spend some money in the trenches either way