The Cohen bashing got me to looking

paindonthurt

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Alex Golesh will be successful at Auburn.

Take away next year and I bet he averages 8 plus wins a year and has them sniffing a 12 team play off.
 

OG Goat Holder

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He may, he may not. But it's apparent to everyone that Florida should have hired him and Auburn hire Sumrall. It's amazing to me that these ADs continue to do this stupid shlt over and over and expecting different results.

I like Cohen, and I do think he did some good things for us. But it is becoming apparent that he's not as great of an AD. He's not awful, just not great. His calling was a baseball coach.
 

Dawgzilla2

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Wait, you think both coaches would be more successful if they swapped schools? And that this is somehow repetitive conduct?

Please, for once dont be so cryptic and expound on your position(s).
 
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paindonthurt

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Please, for once dont be so cryptic and expound on your position(s).
Hahaha you are asking a whole lot out of the mouth breather.

It’s why he claims to never be wrong. Hard to be wrong when you never say $h1t

but occasionally he slips up and makes an actual statement
#$2.9 million
#mikegundy
 
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Willow Grove Dawg

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He may, he may not. But it's apparent to everyone that Florida should have hired him and Auburn hire Sumrall. It's amazing to me that these ADs continue to do this stupid shlt over and over and expecting different results.

I like Cohen, and I do think he did some good things for us. But it is becoming apparent that he's not as great of an AD. He's not awful, just not great. His calling was a baseball coach.
I like Cohen as a baseball coach not as a AD. He has no business being an AD which is totally a Mark Keenum screw up.
 
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He may, he may not. But it's apparent to everyone that Florida should have hired him and Auburn hire Sumrall. It's amazing to me that these ADs continue to do this stupid shlt over and over and expecting different results.

I like Cohen, and I do think he did some good things for us. But it is becoming apparent that he's not as great of an AD. He's not awful, just not great. His calling was a baseball coach.
I do think those personalities do fit each school better.
 
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FlotownDawg

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I would love to hear why Golesh would be great at Florida and Sumrall great at Auburn and not the other way around. Please expand on that.
 

patdog

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He may average 8 wins. But it’s going to be hard for any coach at Auburn to get to the playoffs in the new SEC. They’re at best historically the 8th best in the conference and they really haven’t done much since 2013.
 

johnson86-1

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He is the 2nd worst AD we have ever had. The way he left our NIL situation should be criminal.
Yup. He probably would have been ok in an environment roughly like the one he coached in. He completely 17ed up on the most significant development in college sports under his watch. And it wasn't like it took a lot of foresight to see that NIL would completely upend college sports. We had somebody basically head up our NIL on a part time basis because it was so clear Cohen wasn't doing ****.
 

OG Goat Holder

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Yup. He probably would have been ok in an environment roughly like the one he coached in. He completely 17ed up on the most significant development in college sports under his watch. And it wasn't like it took a lot of foresight to see that NIL would completely upend college sports. We had somebody basically head up our NIL on a part time basis because it was so clear Cohen wasn't doing ****.
He is unfairly maligned about this by so many of you. I will grant you that he is not the best fundraiser in the world, but he did not "completely 17ed up" the situation. The situation was always going to be bad for MSU. It's just the typical MSU thing to do - find someone to blame when bad things happen. And NIL is probably the worst thing to happen to MSU sports (football at least) in 50 years. Think about it.....we had finally figured out the old system and were having marginal success and BAM, they drop unlimited pay for play which is the one area we've ALWAYS been behind in.

Even still, if Leach hadn't died, we were going to be fine and we'd all be thrilled with the football program. Well, except the RuNdAbAwLeRs.
 

mcdawg22

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I don’t think averaging 8 wins will be enough for the AU fanbase. They’ll lap it up in years 1 and 2, but if it’s 1 10 win season with a high playoff seed and exit surrounded by 8 and 7 win seasons they’ll grow tired of him just like they did with Gus. Of course the team across the state’s success is a factor.
 
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anon1768925248

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He is unfairly maligned about this by so many of you. I will grant you that he is not the best fundraiser in the world, but he did not "completely 17ed up" the situation. The situation was always going to be bad for MSU. It's just the typical MSU thing to do - find someone to blame when bad things happen. And NIL is probably the worst thing to happen to MSU sports (football at least) in 50 years. Think about it.....we had finally figured out the old system and were having marginal success and BAM, they drop unlimited pay for play which is the one area we've ALWAYS been behind in.

Even still, if Leach hadn't died, we were going to be fine and we'd all be thrilled with the football program. Well, except the RuNdAbAwLeRs.
We are blaming the guy who didn’t fundraise at all when fundraising was the main thing an AD should be doing. That is literally what anyone would do. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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He is unfairly maligned about this by so many of you. I will grant you that he is not the best fundraiser in the world, but he did not "completely 17ed up" the situation. The situation was always going to be bad for MSU. It's just the typical MSU thing to do - find someone to blame when bad things happen. And NIL is probably the worst thing to happen to MSU sports (football at least) in 50 years. Think about it.....we had finally figured out the old system and were having marginal success and BAM, they drop unlimited pay for play which is the one area we've ALWAYS been behind in.

Even still, if Leach hadn't died, we were going to be fine and we'd all be thrilled with the football program. Well, except the RuNdAbAwLeRs.
Fundraising is the primary function of an AD.
 

OG Goat Holder

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We are blaming the guy who didn’t fundraise at all when fundraising was the main thing an AD should be doing. That is literally what anyone would do. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
Fundraising is the primary function of an AD.
It's important. But if it was so primary, why does ours' and Florida's ADs suck at the moment?

I'd argue the correct coaching hires can take care of a lot of fundraising.
 

johnson86-1

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He is unfairly maligned about this by so many of you. I will grant you that he is not the best fundraiser in the world, but he did not "completely 17ed up" the situation. The situation was always going to be bad for MSU. It's just the typical MSU thing to do - find someone to blame when bad things happen. And NIL is probably the worst thing to happen to MSU sports (football at least) in 50 years. Think about it.....we had finally figured out the old system and were having marginal success and BAM, they drop unlimited pay for play which is the one area we've ALWAYS been behind in.

Even still, if Leach hadn't died, we were going to be fine and we'd all be thrilled with the football program. Well, except the RuNdAbAwLeRs.
The situation was going to be bad regardless, but that doesn't mean you just approach it without a strategy. How many P4 schools were relying on essentially volunteers to head up their NIL efforts as long as State did?
 
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Drebin

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He is unfairly maligned about this by so many of you. I will grant you that he is not the best fundraiser in the world, but he did not "completely 17ed up" the situation. The situation was always going to be bad for MSU. It's just the typical MSU thing to do - find someone to blame when bad things happen. And NIL is probably the worst thing to happen to MSU sports (football at least) in 50 years. Think about it.....we had finally figured out the old system and were having marginal success and BAM, they drop unlimited pay for play which is the one area we've ALWAYS been behind in.

Even still, if Leach hadn't died, we were going to be fine and we'd all be thrilled with the football program. Well, except the RuNdAbAwLeRs.
The football program was headed for the shlts anyway. Those years of shltty recruiting tend to catch up with a program. Plus, Leach had told some folks he was going to retire after the next season so we would've been in a similar situation anyway, just a year delayed.
 

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The situation was going to be bad regardless, but that doesn't mean you just approach it without a strategy. How many P4 schools were relying on essentially volunteers to head up their NIL efforts as long as State did?
Probably a lot.

And believe it or not, we did have a strategy, mostly retaining existing players. It was a start. And now the strategy is, "give money and trust Lebby". That only works for blue bloods with good culture (sort of like our baseball program) who can attract players based on name alone.
 

Seinfeld

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We are blaming the guy who didn’t fundraise at all when fundraising was the main thing an AD should be doing. That is literally what anyone would do. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
And THAT is the issue. It’s not a matter of Cohen struggling with it. It’s a matter of the 17er not even trying.

His supporters will continue to tell you that it wasn’t his fault because at the time, university athletic department weren’t supposed to have any involvement in NIL transactions. However, do any of you honestly believe that other SEC ADs were sitting on their thumbs and saying “oh well”?

Again, and I say this with all due respect… the Bulldog Initiative exists because we had a local lawyer and part time podcaster decide that we were going to slip farther into the abyss if he didn’t do something. Dip$hit Cohen didn’t lift a finger.
 

OG Goat Holder

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The football program was headed for the shlts anyway. Those years of shltty recruiting tend to catch up with a program. Plus, Leach had told some folks he was going to retire after the next season so we would've been in a similar situation anyway, just a year delayed.
I know those rumors were there and I also know why our fans love to bag on the "shltty recruiting" to make themselves feel better. But the facts are, Leach's classes were all in the mid-20s and he also hit well in the portal. So let's say he did retire after 2023, most likely going 8-4 or so.

Arnett probably still takes over the program, and he also would have made a lot of the same staff changes most likely. So 2-10 may still happen. But to me it's important to acknowledge that a lot of the "shltty recruiting" was NOT due to Leach, rather it was Arnett's and now Lebby's bad takes in the portal.

And if he had stayed (Leach), while everybody has down years, but I guarantee you he doesn't go 2-10 in 2024. Those players would have looked just fine under him.
 

anon1768925248

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It's important. But if it was so primary, why does ours' and Florida's ADs suck at the moment?

I'd argue the correct coaching hires can take care of a lot of fundraising.
The first things coaches ask when they interview for a job is what does your NIL situation look like. We were hiring a coach when ours was dog sh*t because Cohen left us in a hole it took years to get out of financially.
 

OG Goat Holder

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The first things coaches ask when they interview for a job is what does your NIL situation look like. We were hiring a coach when ours was dog sh*t because Cohen left us in a hole it took years to get out of financially.
Just more blame. We hired Lebby in 2023, Selmon had been there for a year.

You know, you don't have to be on one side or the other. You can see the failure and successes of everybody if you have sense. The reason the current regime, both AD and football coaching, and their minions are trying to blame everything on old staff from 3-4 years ago, is because things aren't going well. Duh.
 

anon1768925248

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Just more blame. We hired Lebby in 2023, Selmon had been there for a year.
It takes more than a year to get from having nearly zero NIL budget to being able to field a roster with 30 million dollars like we do now. Particularly at Mississippi State where fans did not want to embrace NIL to start with. But nuance obviously is not your thing. Leach was dog sh*t his first year here too. He had to get his players in and get rolling. It takes time for wholesale changes when an entire department has been run by a baseball coach.
 

johnson86-1

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It takes more than a year to get from having nearly zero NIL budget to being able to field a roster with 30 million dollars like we do now. Particularly at Mississippi State where fans did not want to embrace NIL to start with. But nuance obviously is not your thing. Leach was dog sh*t his first year here too. He had to get his players in and get rolling. It takes time for wholesale changes when an entire department has been run by a baseball coach.
I don't think we spend nearly that much. I doubt we get there across all our sports. My understanding is that the big boys are spending $20-$25M on football. I've never heard a reliable number for ours, but our reported expenses were $134M a year ago I think. It was 105M in 2022, before a lot of the inflation had really hit, so we haven't increased spending much on an inflation adjusted basis. Not sure how much if any NIL shows on our books, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if we have $25M to spend across all our sports. If NIL is hitting our books, for us to have $30M to spend would mean we basically cut everything else by 20% in real terms and dedicated the rest of it to NIL. If it's not hitting our books, we basically increased spending with inflation and found another 25% in new revenues to fund that much.
 

anon1768925248

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I don't think we spend nearly that much. I doubt we get there across all our sports. My understanding is that the big boys are spending $20-$25M on football. I've never heard a reliable number for ours, but our reported expenses were $134M a year ago I think. It was 105M in 2022, before a lot of the inflation had really hit, so we haven't increased spending much on an inflation adjusted basis. Not sure how much if any NIL shows on our books, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if we have $25M to spend across all our sports. If NIL is hitting our books, for us to have $30M to spend would mean we basically cut everything else by 20% in real terms and dedicated the rest of it to NIL. If it's not hitting our books, we basically increased spending with inflation and found another 25% in new revenues to fund that much.
We have 30 million dollars to spend on football this year.
 
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L4Dawg

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He may, he may not. But it's apparent to everyone that Florida should have hired him and Auburn hire Sumrall. It's amazing to me that these ADs continue to do this stupid shlt over and over and expecting different results.

I like Cohen, and I do think he did some good things for us. But it is becoming apparent that he's not as great of an AD. He's not awful, just not great. His calling was a baseball coach.
Becoming? He was terrible here and he is terrible there. He was/is in no way whatsoever qualified to be an AD.