The Corey Sanders Show

[Greene Rice FIG]

4389 was attendance game 1 2017-18
5521 was attendance game 1 2018-19

no doubt looking at those 2 numbers...now i don't know the weather or day of the year, but that does support building support for the team.....or maybe everyone wanted to see Peter Kiss.

 

[Randal7]

It was very meaningful to you and me and other Rutgers fans that were starved and some of which were hanging on a thread.

I remember thinking to myself at the time in MSG we belonged. It was awesome to have relevance.

To the rest of the basketball world? NO

I was also in DC the previous year and it was also great beating Indiana and getting to the next round.

You're just flat out wrong. And it's bizarre. Just read:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-ba...ment-2018-madison-square-garden-new-york-city

Rutgers, which has finished dead last in each of the four seasons since it joined the conference, finally got its spotlight moment. Roughly 30 miles away from its campus in New Brunswick, NJ, the Scarlet Knights rallied behind their fans to make a run to the quarterfinals – and nearly kept going.

Led by Corey Sanders, the tournament’s leading scorer, they took down Minnesota and Indiana before almost stunning Purdue, a legitimate Final Four contender. All three nights, Rutgers was playing in front of what felt like a home crowd. The atmosphere was goosebump-inducing. Every time Sanders would break down his man for a big bucket, he’d gesture to the stands, imploring them to get even louder.

Given their futility in both revenue sports, there has been understandable bashing of the Big Ten’s addition of Rutgers. At MSG, at least for a few days, it made sense. Having a team in the country’s biggest media market is good for the conference, especially if Rutgers can escape its laughingstock status. The display put on by a young team this week – Steve Pikiell has RU heading in the right direction – was a positive sign that it can.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...ament-madison-square-garden-worked/393723002/

Even Rutgers, part of the reason the Big Ten has shifted its gaze so far east, did its bit, winning twice and playing Purdue to the wire Friday night.

“I was surprised by how many Rutgers fans actually showed up,” said NBCSports.com’s Rob Dauster. “That was kind of cool. The whole point of having it here was the Big Ten footprint in New York, and then Rutgers fans showed up.”

https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/2018/03/rutgers_indiana_big_ten_tournament.html

Mike Williams, the Brooklyn native who was a ballboy on this MSG court for Knicks games when he was 5 years old, capped it with two free throws with five seconds to play and the Scarlet Knights celebrated their historic triumph at center court with hugs, high fives and emphatic gestures to the Rutgers fans scattered throughout the arena.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/2018/03/rutgers_purdue_big_ten_tournament.html

Playing the late game in the Big Ten tourney for the third night in a row, Rutgers ran out of gas in an 82-75 quarterfinals loss Friday before 14,530 mostly Scarlet-clad fans at Madison Square Garden.

In arguably the biggest game a Rutgers team has played over the last 20 years, the Scarlet Knights delivered a valiant effort.

 

[SirScarlet]

It was very meaningful to you and me and other Rutgers fans that were starved and some of which were hanging on a thread.

I remember thinking to myself at the time in MSG we belonged. It was awesome to have relevance.

To the rest of the basketball world? NO

I was also in DC the previous year and it was also great beating Indiana and getting to the next round.

again, you are wrong. You are completely ignoring the free publicity we got on BTN that entire weekend.

It helped fuel the narrative that Rutgers was coming.

 

[SirScarlet]

You're just flat out wrong. And it's bizarre. Just read:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-ba...ment-2018-madison-square-garden-new-york-city

Rutgers, which has finished dead last in each of the four seasons since it joined the conference, finally got its spotlight moment. Roughly 30 miles away from its campus in New Brunswick, NJ, the Scarlet Knights rallied behind their fans to make a run to the quarterfinals – and nearly kept going.

Led by Corey Sanders, the tournament’s leading scorer, they took down Minnesota and Indiana before almost stunning Purdue, a legitimate Final Four contender. All three nights, Rutgers was playing in front of what felt like a home crowd. The atmosphere was goosebump-inducing. Every time Sanders would break down his man for a big bucket, he’d gesture to the stands, imploring them to get even louder.

Given their futility in both revenue sports, there has been understandable bashing of the Big Ten’s addition of Rutgers. At MSG, at least for a few days, it made sense. Having a team in the country’s biggest media market is good for the conference, especially if Rutgers can escape its laughingstock status. The display put on by a young team this week – Steve Pikiell has RU heading in the right direction – was a positive sign that it can.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...ament-madison-square-garden-worked/393723002/

Even Rutgers, part of the reason the Big Ten has shifted its gaze so far east, did its bit, winning twice and playing Purdue to the wire Friday night.

“I was surprised by how many Rutgers fans actually showed up,” said NBCSports.com’s Rob Dauster. “That was kind of cool. The whole point of having it here was the Big Ten footprint in New York, and then Rutgers fans showed up.”

https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/2018/03/rutgers_indiana_big_ten_tournament.html

Mike Williams, the Brooklyn native who was a ballboy on this MSG court for Knicks games when he was 5 years old, capped it with two free throws with five seconds to play and the Scarlet Knights celebrated their historic triumph at center court with hugs, high fives and emphatic gestures to the Rutgers fans scattered throughout the arena.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/2018/03/rutgers_purdue_big_ten_tournament.html

Playing the late game in the Big Ten tourney for the third night in a row, Rutgers ran out of gas in an 82-75 quarterfinals loss Friday before 14,530 mostly Scarlet-clad fans at Madison Square Garden.

In arguably the biggest game a Rutgers team has played over the last 20 years, the Scarlet Knights delivered a valiant effort.

Randal7 grabs Greene, and....

 

[Russ Wood]

Yeesh.

Why on earth did those 2 guys close out on Sanders like that?

They must not have read the scouting report. Sanders made 22% of his threes that season. Should have dared him to shoot a three.

 

[MadRU]

Yeesh.

Why on earth did those 2 guys close out on Sanders like that?

They must not have read the scouting report. Sanders made 22% of his threes that season. Should have dared him to shoot a three.

The game was over at that point. Well under a minute left if I recall correctly. It’s either foul or run out the clock, Corey just decided to explode to the rim to put the icing in the cake. Points didn’t matter.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Randal7 grabs Greene, and....

Winning is what matters....I am sure we can find countless articles like the ones he quoted about our NIT run. Did it really move the needle? NO, winning does.

Think about the 2 events as a current day Rutgers fan.

NIT finals? who cares
losing in BIGt quarters? who cares

Steve Pikiell has turned the program around. Steve Pikiell turned Corey Sanders in to a very good defensive player. Our offense improved significantly after Corey left, our defense took a hit.

Can you win in college basketball most nights with a scoring 1st point guard, who can't shoot and can only beat his man to the right? You can when he is hot.

Freshman year we were 293rd in offensive efficiency (we really didnt have any offensive talent)
Sophomore year we were 224th (we had offensive talent)
Junior year we were 283rd (we had offensive talent)

Year after he leaves 150th
Year before he comes 178th (maybe not fair as we had Mack and Jack)

 

[Morrischiano2]

Sanders went to the G League and has then spent the last 4 years playing in Europe; currently in Poland.

 

[MADHAT1]

Sanders went to the G League and has then spent the last 4 years playing in Europe; currently in Poland.

Polish EBL Stats - RealGM
https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/21/Polish-EBL/stats

 

[RUsojo]

The program turned around AFTER Corey left. Corey was a great talent, but the inflection point of our program was when Corey decided not to come back.

Text I just got referencing this thread and starting out with a quote from board:

“"I don’t hate Corey. I just think we were better without him. You say my take is bad, but we won when he left. Our offense got a lot better when the basketball was shared."”

“This guy has had many bad takes all in that Corey thread but I'll highlight this one, first point he actually averaged more assists than geo for his career and was the more efficient player but who was Corey supposed to share the ball with? His junior year the starting lineup was Corey geo(freshman) thiam freeman and duke, mike Williams came off the bench as a "3 point specialist" and shot 22% that year.

I remember telling you I thought we'd make the tournament if Corey came back for his senior year (where was NIL when we needed it?) Went 14-17 that year (7-13) that team started geo kiss Eugene thiam and doorson with ron Mathis Caleb and Myles taking on bigger roles as the year went on.”

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The offensive talent Corey played with his last 2 years is not much different than what we have now.

Corey’s assist numbers were very low relative to the amount of time he had possession of the ball.

Do you think DeShawn Freeman would have been a much different offensive player if he had someone like Paul that was content looking for others.

The offensive numbers don’t lie. The perimeter shooting numbers don’t lie. Win losses are not lies.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I remember telling you I thought we'd make the tournament if Corey came back for his senior year (where was NIL when we needed it?) Went 14-17 that year (7-13) that team started geo kiss Eugene thiam and doorson with ron Mathis Caleb and Myles taking on bigger roles as the year went on.”

You basically are making my point. That team won more B1G games than Corey won in his entire career.

 

[RUsojo]

The offensive talent Corey played with his last 2 years is not much different than what we have now.

Corey’s assist numbers were very low relative to the amount of time he had possession of the ball.

Do you think DeShawn Freeman would have been a much different offensive player if he had someone like Paul that was content looking for others.

The offensive numbers don’t lie. The perimeter shooting numbers don’t lie. Win losses are not lies.

@kyk1827

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

The offensive talent Corey played with his last 2 years is not much different than what we have now.

Corey’s assist numbers were very low relative to the amount of time he had possession of the ball.

Do you think DeShawn Freeman would have been a much different offensive player if he had someone like Paul that was content looking for others.

The offensive numbers don’t lie. The perimeter shooting numbers don’t lie. Win losses are not lies.

Coreys offensive talent isnt much different than what we have now?

 

[fluoxetine]

Can you name any school that captured your imagination that lost in the quarterfinals their conference tournament?

Rutgers.

Coreys offensive talent isnt much different than what we have now?

Well, according to your previous posts he actually had better talent around him than we currently have.

 

[goru7]

If Cliff played with Corey , he would have 100 dunks and break the NCAA record.

Greene , what talent you speaking about Doorson or Duke , Issa ? Freeman was good but that’s it . No reliable three point threat and no big guy to run PNR for a roll or a lob.
Corey was the quick guard that PNR with a reliable big man would have been unstoppable.
He even improved as a defensive player under Pike so you should have no beef there.
Still flabbergasted you are trying to defend that take.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I have no beef with his defense. NONE in years 2 and 3.

Freeman Williams Issa Nigel CJ Laurent Geo Eugene all guys he played with over the 2 years were enough pieces to not be statistically the worst power conference offensive team if Corey was as good as you make him out to be.

We aren’t talking 125-150 ranked Rutgers 2022-23 bad on offense we are talking a level way way below. Something not possible I’d we had this superstar guard. The argument the supporting cast was bad just isn’t enough

 

[MadRU]

 

[Scarlet Shack]

That Purdue game was one of, if not , the best Rutgers loss ever

It took a top 10 Purdue okaying their A game to beat us that night …ahoootng in the 50s to escape with a win

 

[rubigtimenow]

We lost in the quarterfinals. No one cares about the 1st days of the tournament. We lost on Friday night.

It was a big deal for us fans. The NIT was a big deal for us fans. Losing on Friday of the B1G tournament is not lighting up MSG and not capturing the imagination of the B1G

Can you name any school that captured your imagination that lost in the quarterfinals their conference tournament?

You’re really off base on all of your posts (so far) on this thread.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Fans don’t agree, but the math is on my side at least.

 

[goru7]

I have no beef with his defense. NONE in years 2 and 3.

Freeman Williams Issa Nigel CJ Laurent Geo Eugene all guys he played with over the 2 years were enough pieces to not be statistically the worst power conference offensive team if Corey was as good as you make him out to be.

We aren’t talking 125-150 ranked Rutgers 2022-23 bad on offense we are talking a level way way below. Something not possible I’d we had this superstar guard. The argument the supporting cast was bad just isn’t enough

The supporting cast was terrible especially the 2 areas that Corey’s assists would have gone sky high , 3 point shooters , none , and big men to catch a roll or a lob , none. What don’t you see ? Really citing Eugene early , common man .

 

[goru7]

Yeesh.

Why on earth did those 2 guys close out on Sanders like that?

They must not have read the scouting report. Sanders made 22% of his threes that season. Should have dared him to shoot a three.

I know Corey hurt you or your family but your distaste for Corey because of how many high schools he went to and did not treat you well , shouldn’t prevent you from being objective. I will give you Corey was inconsistent especially from 3 point land but he was the best talent we have had in the last 15 years. He was the focus of every BIG 10 coach ‘s scouting report and received the best defender against him treatment. , the time he was here and never had a supporting cast that matched his talent. I guess you can say he didn’t elevate his talent , which is a constructive criticism , but you do not know how many games we lost because one of our favorite , toughest , well respected players , who came in as a 3 point specialist , didn’t hit a clutch 3. Mike Williams a good player for us but just not clutch enough especially from 3. If he shot 36-38% from 3 , we win 5 more games Corey’s second year ( maybe 3rd).
Why the hate and constant sarcastic posts ? Spill the backstory so I can understand where your posts are coming from !!!

 

[Russ Wood]

I know Corey hurt you or your family but your distaste for Corey because of how many high schools he went to and did not treat you well , shouldn’t prevent you from being objective. I will give you Corey was inconsistent especially from 3 point land but he was the best talent we have had in the last 15 years. He was the focus of every BIG 10 coach ‘s scouting report and received the best defender against him treatment. , the time he was here and never had a supporting cast that matched his talent. I guess you can say he didn’t elevate his talent , which is a constructive criticism , but you do not know how many games we lost because one of our favorite , toughest , well respected players , who came in as a 3 point specialist , didn’t hit a clutch 3. Mike Williams a good player for us but just not clutch enough especially from 3. If he shot 36-38% from 3 , we win 5 more games Corey’s second year ( maybe 3rd).
Why the hate and constant sarcastic posts ? Spill the backstory so I can understand where your posts are coming from !!!

My posts are coming from facts.

As talented a player as he was, Sanders only made 22% of his threes that season. No need to close out on him like that.

I'm sorry if my pointing out those facts bother you.

As someone else pointed out to me, that was at the end of the game and RU had it wrapped up.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Indiana = so soft.

not denying that Sanders made a spectacular play but what kind of ridiculous non-trap was that on Sanders! definition of matador defense. just really bad

But Sanders was so quick and decisive there.. explosive getting out of that trap before it was a trap. They should have fouled him rather than let him come through.. we see this year they don't call the rough stuff against us... as we shall witness again tomorrow.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The supporting cast was terrible especially the 2 areas that Corey’s assists would have gone sky high , 3 point shooters , none , and big men to catch a roll or a lob , none. What don’t you see ? Really citing Eugene early , common man .

Freeman could definitely finish.

Issa could make open 3s. Williams and Baker together are more 3 pointer threats than we have right now.

When Corey drove the lane he rarely had anything in his sights except the rim.

The Corey at the B1GT was great. That was not the Corey was saw 90% of the time. I am sorry, but numbers don’t lie.

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

loved that run, was a lot of fun

 

[toby83]

Gotta be a backstory here. Greene ran into Corey in 2018 at Stuff Yer Face, asked for Pic and auto, Corey said no, leave me and my Stromboli alone

Lol

 

[goru7]

My posts are coming from facts.

As talented a player as he was, Sanders only made 22% of his threes that season. No need to close out on him like that.

I'm sorry if my pointing out those facts bother you.

As someone else pointed out to me, that was at the end of the game and RU had it wrapped up.

Ok. Corey stopped shooting threes and became a decent mid range shooter and that week at MSG he was on fire and couldn’t be guarded.
Still what is it with your hate ?

 

[goru7]

Freeman could definitely finish.

Issa could make open 3s. Williams and Baker together are more 3 pointer threats than we have right now.

When Corey drove the lane he rarely had anything in his sights except the rim.

The Corey at the B1GT was great. That was not the Corey was saw 90% of the time. I am sorry, but numbers don’t lie.

You are delusional with Issa and freshman Geo before the BIg 10 tourney, where he was terrific. Maybe because they focused on Corey and never thought Geo was capable and made them pay. How many assists did Corey have the tourney directly to Geo ?
Freeman could finish when someone 6-6 to 6-8 hoarded him but hardly ever when they put size on him. I loved the Deshawn who hustled and rebounded and went back up strong , got some lobs from Corey , but he didn’t finish like you remember. Otherwise he would have averaged 20+ points a game.
You are conveniently forgetting at least 5 games that Mike was way off from 3 after being fed by Corey that would have been wins. I loved Mike Williams but he did not shoot like the 3 point specialist reputation he came in with to RU.

 

[FastMJ]

We should agree to disagree. We won more B1G games the year he left then the 3 years he was here combined.

People remember the good games he had and are forgetting what he was on the average day. He was an awful shooter and was not a passer when penetrating to the basket. Defenses knew exactly what was going to happen when Corey beat his man off the dribble.

Corey is one of my favorite Rutgers players ever and I’ve been a fan since 1983

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

We were 283rd in offensive efficiency his junior year. That is off the charts bad.

I don’t know how you can defend that

 

[Russ Wood]

Ok. Corey stopped shooting threes and became a decent mid range shooter and that week at MSG he was on fire and couldn’t be guarded.
Still what is it with your hate ?

Which is another reason why those defenders should not have closed out on him like that. Sanders exploited the bad close outs, like he should have, and got to the basket.

I do not have any hate for Corey Sanders. You just got in your feelings but that happens, I get it.

 

[goru7]

Which is another reason why those defenders should not have closed out on him like that. Sanders exploited the bad close outs, like he should have, and got to the basket.

I do not have any hate for Corey Sanders. You just got in your feelings but that happens, I get it.

What did he do to you as a reporter. ? 9/10 of your posts about Corey from 5 years ago to currently can be described by a neutral observer as negative. Must be a back story. You don’t just start posting negative stuff from DAY 1

 

[Russ Wood]

What did he do to you as a reporter. ? 9/10 of your posts about Corey from 5 years ago to currently can be described by a neutral observer as negative. Must be a back story. You don’t just start posting negative stuff from DAY 1

Nothing. Sanders never turned down an interview request from me.

Sanders was terrific in that 3OT game his freshman season. He had around 40 points and 12 assists. Might have played the whole game.

If I point out that he wasn't a good perimeter shooter (31.5% on 3FG in the 2015-16 season was his most accurate) or that he struggled going left (he did) that's not being negative that's simply the truth.

 

[goru7]

Nothing. Sanders never turned down an interview request from me.

Sanders was terrific in that 3OT game his freshman season. He had around 40 points and 12 assists. Might have played the whole game.

If I point out that he wasn't a good perimeter shooter (31.5% on 3FG in the 2015-16 season was his most accurate) or that he struggled going left (he did) that's not being negative that's simply the truth.

Okay Thanks for answering. But you never complimented his effort in the 3 OT game nor did you compliment his MSG Big 10 tourney run , only negative posts. Would be glad to be wrong and maybe missed your compliment to his good games but never saw them.

 

[Russ Wood]

Okay Thanks for answering. But you never complimented his effort in the 3 OT game nor did you compliment his MSG Big 10 tourney run , only negative posts. Would be glad to be wrong and maybe missed your compliment to his good games but never saw them.

I didn't see his his MSG Big 10 tourney run. I recall RU getting two upset wins but I didn't see a second of any of the games until I saw the Tweet in this thread.

I saw the second half of the 3OT game.