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Continues growing. Nearly 4% GDP growth in 2Q and Atlanta fed is forecasting 3.9% in 3q.

Job losses keep piling up. Payroll numbers came in much lower than expected and last months revised sharply lower as well.

Inflation above fed target and rising. Dollar having its worst year in over 50 years. Yet the govt has record interest payments on debt. Fed is in a tough spot.

Tricky situation where the economy is doing well yet people are starting to struggle. I wouldn’t be surprised if the midterms are all about job creation and cost of living.
 
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Continues growing. Nearly 4% GDP growth in 2Q and Atlanta fed is forecasting 3.9% in 3q.

Job losses keep piling up. Payroll numbers came in much lower than expected and last months revised sharply lower as well.

Inflation above fed target and rising. Dollar having its worst year in over 50 years. Yet the govt has record interest payments on debt. Fed is in a tough spot.

Tricky situation where the economy is doing well yet people are starting to struggle. I wouldn’t be surprised if the midterms are all about job creation and cost of living.
If people are struggling then the economy is not doing well. The companies may be, but the economy is not
 

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If people are struggling then the economy is not doing well. The companies may be, but the economy is not
not to be brusk, be some people will always struggle. From my perspective, the economy is kind of ac/dc. yes GDP is going up, unemployment number is "steady". prices seem to be holding, housing is really struggling, new college graduates are having a hard time finding jobs, payroll are increasing but having a hard time keeping up with inflation, stock market is going full bore, corporate profits are going strong, tariffs not having a major input.

So some good things and some bad. If you have a job, a house, and money in the stock market you're probably doing fine. If you're at the bottom of the economic food chain, likely not so well. Certainly not advancing and good possibility of falling behind.

The challenge we have always had, and likely will long into the future, is advancing those at the bottom from there to middle and upper middle class. We're falling behind in educating the youth and some of them will never get ahead.

But, economy is definitely slowing

But, seems as if it's been that same way for at least the last 50 years.
 
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not to be brusk, be some people will always struggle. From my perspective, the economy is kind of ac/dc. yes GDP is going up, unemployment number is "steady". prices seem to be holding, housing is really struggling, new college graduates are having a hard time finding jobs, payroll are increasing but having a hard time keeping up with inflation, stock market is going full bore, corporate profits are going strong, tariffs not having a major input.

So some good things and some bad. If you have a job, a house, and money in the stock market you're probably doing fine. If you're at the bottom of the economic food chain, likely not so well. Certainly not advancing and good possibility of falling behind.

The challenge we have always had, and likely will long into the future, is advancing those at the bottom from there to middle and upper middle class. We're falling behind in educating the youth and some of them will never get ahead.

But, economy is definitely slowing

But, seems as if it's been that same way for at least the last 50 years.
Well-said. I think the problem is that the current economy is very much a “if you’re in a good spot you’re fine. If not, you’re totally screwed” state right now
 

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Continues growing. Nearly 4% GDP growth in 2Q and Atlanta fed is forecasting 3.9% in 3q.

Job losses keep piling up. Payroll numbers came in much lower than expected and last months revised sharply lower as well.

Inflation above fed target and rising. Dollar having its worst year in over 50 years. Yet the govt has record interest payments on debt. Fed is in a tough spot.

Tricky situation where the economy is doing well yet people are starting to struggle. I wouldn’t be surprised if the midterms are all about job creation and cost of living.
Fair assessment!
 

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Tricky situation where the economy is doing well yet people are starting to struggle. I wouldn’t be surprised if the midterms are all about job creation and cost of living.
When is that not the case? But yeah, this tariffs and trade wars situation seems pretty ominous to me. Farmers are taking it in the shorts. How would you like to have a business that is heavily dependent on either importing or exporting right now? Yikes.
 
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AI is going to lead to strong business performance but lower job numbers. This seems quite obvious.
Potentially yes right now. However, companies spending billions on launching AI projects doesn't mean those projects will be successful. What then?
People out of jobs, then AI bubble bursts. Could be trouble.
 

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not to be brusk, be some people will always struggle. From my perspective, the economy is kind of ac/dc. yes GDP is going up, unemployment number is "steady". prices seem to be holding, housing is really struggling, new college graduates are having a hard time finding jobs, payroll are increasing but having a hard time keeping up with inflation, stock market is going full bore, corporate profits are going strong, tariffs not having a major input.

So some good things and some bad. If you have a job, a house, and money in the stock market you're probably doing fine. If you're at the bottom of the economic food chain, likely not so well. Certainly not advancing and good possibility of falling behind.

The challenge we have always had, and likely will long into the future, is advancing those at the bottom from there to middle and upper middle class. We're falling behind in educating the youth and some of them will never get ahead.

But, economy is definitely slowing

But, seems as if it's been that same way for at least the last 50 years.
I agree, Ned. It's a bit of a mixed bag right now. I'm not an economist so I have no particular expertise in analyzing this tariffs situation, but I wonder how much of an impact the tariffs are having or will have, and when we might expect that to happen. Lots of posters have noted that many businesses laid in a lot of imported goods prior to the tariffs hitting, or that many tariffs were announced but never imposed, or imposed and later rescinded, so it would seem difficult to assess in any general and definitive fashion. If Trump keeps these tariffs in force for awhile and the courts allow him to do so, we may ultimately be able to detect their effect.
 

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When is that not the case? But yeah, this tariffs and trade wars situation seems pretty ominous to me. Farmers are taking it in the shorts. How would you like to have a business that is heavily dependent on either importing or exporting right now? Yikes.
Add in a cheap USD increases the value of exports and decreases the value of imports

Stock market likes a cheap USD

The spinoff is inflation
 

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I agree, Ned. It's a bit of a mixed bag right now. I'm not an economist so I have no particular expertise in analyzing this tariffs situation, but I wonder how much of an impact the tariffs are having or will have, and when we might expect that to happen. Lots of posters have noted that many businesses laid in a lot of imported goods prior to the tariffs hitting, or that many tariffs were announced but never imposed, or imposed and later rescinded, so it would seem difficult to assess in any general and definitive fashion. If Trump keeps these tariffs in force for awhile and the courts allow him to do so, we may ultimately be able to detect their effect.
I'm not an expert on tariffs either, but so far there have been a few of the FED members, including Powell, who have recently made statements such as "tariffs will have a once off effect on inflation", or "tariffs have had a minimum effect on inflation".
Now these guys have access to a lot more data than I do, and they wouldn't lie to us would they?

But the common sense that we're supposed to exercise tells me that higher costs in an inflationary environment can't be a positive thing for inflation. I find it hard to believe that some part of that cost increase isn't coming the consumer's way. But, Trump seems to believe that the money being generated through the tariffs "Trump's" the increase in costs to consumers.

Just an aside, the FEDs "locked in concrete" 2% target for inflation was just created in 2012. The average inflation over the years (can't remember which ones, but before 2012) was 3.2%, according to other economists. And, given the shift of emphasis from inflation to employment, the FED now seems willing to accept a higher than 2% number, which makes you wonder why they waited this long to cut rates given employment has been dropping for months.

Anyway, we're making good money now in the stock market, interest rates on savings and bonds should be going up, and hopefully mortgage rates can come down (so I can sell a condo in the DC area which is hemorrhaging jobs).

One thing I'm confident of...the economy goes up, the economy goes down: there are winners economically and there are losers: its better to be at the top of the economic food chain than at the bottom.
 

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Potentially yes right now. However, companies spending billions on launching AI projects doesn't mean those projects will be successful. What then?
People out of jobs, then AI bubble bursts. Could be trouble.

I’m not just talking about that. Employees can be more efficient than ever with AI tooling. You can grow a business rapidly with modest increases in headcount. Our CEO told the leadership team that he expects us to leverage AI to keep headcount growth low as we rapidly scale. Every company is going to look to AI to gain efficiency, improve quality and reduce or slow expansion of headcount. Good for business, bad for job numbers.

And that’s just now. Wait until entire job categories are replaced by AI. It’s coming.
 

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I’m not just talking about that. Employees can be more efficient than ever with AI tooling. You can grow a business rapidly with modest increases in headcount. Our CEO told the leadership team that he expects us to leverage AI to keep headcount growth low as we rapidly scale. Every company is going to look to AI to gain efficiency, improve quality and reduce or slow expansion of headcount. Good for business, bad for job numbers.

And that’s just now. Wait until entire job categories are replaced by AI. It’s coming.
Yeah, im on the forefront of the same thing with the same directives from our CIO. Im not questioning literally any of that. I'm specifically talking about the studied failure rate of these projects. 95% of them fail per MIT study. https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf
This is a good read. Not because 95% fail, but because why they fail. C suite's, I believe are way waaay overestimating the returns and the work needed to integrate AI correctly. It's moving very quickly and lots of money is being invested and spent. Thats why GDP is going up, thats why the stock market is going up. But, collectively, what's the plan for Americans going forward into this? What if AI plateus and this AGI hype is, well not as great as they say? Theres a lot riding on this bet.
Scenario 1) Total or partial success; workers are out of work. Profits are sky high. The wealth inequality skyrockets ever further, which is crazy.
Scenario 2) Total or partial failure; AGI is exposed. Can't actually learn and apply skills well to new scenarios. Investments tank. Margin calls are made, stock market tanks. People lose their jobs.

If I'm your average college student, or average plumber getting ready to retire, these things effect me dramatically. Its just a concerning situation with a ton on the line.
 
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The way the stock market is going up, a large segment of investors will be myopic
 

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Yeah, im on the forefront of the same thing with the same directives from our CIO. Im not questioning literally any of that. I'm specifically talking about the studied failure rate of these projects. 95% of them fail per MIT study. https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf
This is a good read. Not because 95% fail, but because why they fail. C suite's, I believe are way waaay overestimating the returns and the work needed to integrate AI correctly. It's moving very quickly and lots of money is being invested and spent. Thats why GDP is going up, thats why the stock market is going up. But, collectively, what's the plan for Americans going forward into this? What if AI plateus and this AGI hype is, well not as great as they say? Theres a lot riding on this bet.
Scenario 1) Total or partial success; workers are out of work. Profits are sky high. The wealth inequality skyrockets ever further, which is crazy.
Scenario 2) Total or partial failure; AGI is exposed. Can't actually learn and apply skills well to new scenarios. Investments tank. Margin calls are made, stock market tanks. People lose their jobs.

If I'm your average college student, or average plumber getting ready to retire, these things effect me dramatically. Its just a concerning situation with a ton on the line.
if you're getting ready to retire you'd better consider defensive or income producing investmensts. At least if you want to sleep at night, or are filthy rich
 
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if you're getting ready to retire you'd better consider defensive or income producing investmensts. At least if you want to sleep at night, or are filthy rich
Sure and of course, that is good advice. Im talking about the macroeconomics of it all. I probably should have led with that.
 

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AI is going to lead to strong business performance but lower job numbers. This seems quite obvious.
Eh, not yet but I think we will see it in 18-24 mos. AI hasn’t meaningfully contributed to top/bottom line as very few have agents in production. And those that do are still early in deployment with humans still in the loop.

A bigger part is the capex. I listened to a talk that over the next 5 years there will be between $2.8T and $4T invested in infrastructure to support AI. No doubt that investment is having a positive impact.
 

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not to be brusk, be some people will always struggle. From my perspective, the economy is kind of ac/dc. yes GDP is going up, unemployment number is "steady". prices seem to be holding, housing is really struggling, new college graduates are having a hard time finding jobs, payroll are increasing but having a hard time keeping up with inflation, stock market is going full bore, corporate profits are going strong, tariffs not having a major input.

So some good things and some bad. If you have a job, a house, and money in the stock market you're probably doing fine. If you're at the bottom of the economic food chain, likely not so well. Certainly not advancing and good possibility of falling behind.

The challenge we have always had, and likely will long into the future, is advancing those at the bottom from there to middle and upper middle class. We're falling behind in educating the youth and some of them will never get ahead.

But, economy is definitely slowing

But, seems as if it's been that same way for at least the last 50 years.
The data does not support the economy is slowing. In fact, it is growing at a very good clip.
 
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Well-said. I think the problem is that the current economy is very much a “if you’re in a good spot you’re fine. If not, you’re totally screwed” state right now
This. I know some really talented people who have been out of work for 12+ mos. The economic gains are very concentrated.
 

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When is that not the case? But yeah, this tariffs and trade wars situation seems pretty ominous to me. Farmers are taking it in the shorts. How would you like to have a business that is heavily dependent on either importing or exporting right now? Yikes.
One just needs to look at the performance of gold. Rising inflation, lower rates. Dollar going to ****, which means not only are we paying more for imports due to tariffs, but the weakness of the dollar also makes those imports more expensive.

Consumer spending is down, which has limited the ability to raise prices. The bottom 90% of consumers are cutting spending big time.
 

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I’m not just talking about that. Employees can be more efficient than ever with AI tooling. You can grow a business rapidly with modest increases in headcount. Our CEO told the leadership team that he expects us to leverage AI to keep headcount growth low as we rapidly scale. Every company is going to look to AI to gain efficiency, improve quality and reduce or slow expansion of headcount. Good for business, bad for job numbers.

And that’s just now. Wait until entire job categories are replaced by AI. It’s coming.
Yes. The opportunity for AI in labor replacement is over $7T. McKinsey thinks 30% of labor could be replaced by 2030. I suspect their business will see more than 30% replaced by AI.
 

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Yeah, im on the forefront of the same thing with the same directives from our CIO. Im not questioning literally any of that. I'm specifically talking about the studied failure rate of these projects. 95% of them fail per MIT study. https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf
This is a good read. Not because 95% fail, but because why they fail. C suite's, I believe are way waaay overestimating the returns and the work needed to integrate AI correctly. It's moving very quickly and lots of money is being invested and spent. Thats why GDP is going up, thats why the stock market is going up. But, collectively, what's the plan for Americans going forward into this? What if AI plateus and this AGI hype is, well not as great as they say? Theres a lot riding on this bet.
Scenario 1) Total or partial success; workers are out of work. Profits are sky high. The wealth inequality skyrockets ever further, which is crazy.
Scenario 2) Total or partial failure; AGI is exposed. Can't actually learn and apply skills well to new scenarios. Investments tank. Margin calls are made, stock market tanks. People lose their jobs.

If I'm your average college student, or average plumber getting ready to retire, these things effect me dramatically. Its just a concerning situation with a ton on the line.
That MIT report was very misleading. These things take time. It’s actually incredible that 5% have generated an ROI in such a short time. PoCs aren’t supposed to realize millions in savings.

But yes, we will have a massive reskilling issue in this country in the next decade. If we achieve AGI we will have a massive problem.
 
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The data does not support the economy is slowing. In fact, it is growing at a very good clip.
yea, if you're basing it on GDP you're absolutely correct. I should have been clearer on that, But, employment is slowing and housing is also slowing. Sorry I wasn't more specific
 

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Yup. You don’t want to be holding cash right now.

Theres at least $7 Trillion if not closer to $10 Trillion at this moment sitting on the sidelines

Wonder will happen if interest rates drop and people hunt higher returns in the stock markets

NUCLEAR BLOWUP

Which in my opinion will create a very unhealthy bubble
 
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"Dalio warns of a “great deleveraging” where AI accelerates productivity but displaces workers faster than new roles emerge, potentially within two decades. Larry Fink, the CEO of Black Rock, speaking at the Economic Club of New York this month, cautioned that AI’s impact is already visible in sectors like finance and legal services, predicting a “restructuring” of white-collar work by 2035. Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase, estimates in his shareholder letter that AI will dominate repetitive tasks within 15 years."

 

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"Dalio warns of a “great deleveraging” where AI accelerates productivity but displaces workers faster than new roles emerge, potentially within two decades. Larry Fink, the CEO of Black Rock, speaking at the Economic Club of New York this month, cautioned that AI’s impact is already visible in sectors like finance and legal services, predicting a “restructuring” of white-collar work by 2035. Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase, estimates in his shareholder letter that AI will dominate repetitive tasks within 15 years."


Yep. The quote below from Ackman highlights my point - that it may move even more quickly as company leadership looks to AI to improve margins.

Bill Ackman, who runs Pershing Square, argues that corporate adoption of AI is accelerating due to cost pressures, potentially shrinking timelines.
 

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"Dalio warns of a “great deleveraging” where AI accelerates productivity but displaces workers faster than new roles emerge, potentially within two decades. Larry Fink, the CEO of Black Rock, speaking at the Economic Club of New York this month, cautioned that AI’s impact is already visible in sectors like finance and legal services, predicting a “restructuring” of white-collar work by 2035. Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase, estimates in his shareholder letter that AI will dominate repetitive tasks within 15 years."

That was a good read. Bessent has a really good grasp on the situation. Cybersecurity always a safe bet for folks looking to AI-proof their careers.

More and more coming out of robotics which is exciting on honestly timed well with tariffs and bringing back manufacturing. I thought the tariffs were a disastrous proposal but am starting to change my mind. Bringing manufacturing back to the US and built with a robotics-first design will put the US at a massive competitive advantage to the rest of the world.

But we need to move fast on data centers and power gen (the biggest bottleneck).
 
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That was a good read. Bessent has a really good grasp on the situation. Cybersecurity always a safe bet for folks looking to AI-proof their careers.

More and more coming out of robotics which is exciting on honestly timed well with tariffs and bringing back manufacturing. I thought the tariffs were a disastrous proposal but am starting to change my mind. Bringing manufacturing back to the US and built with a robotics-first design will put the US at a massive competitive advantage to the rest of the world.

But we need to move fast on data centers and power gen (the biggest bottleneck).
one thing is pretty certain, we're not going to get the energy we need from wind or solar
 
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Good commentary



This means that everyone who is waiting for a pullback is implicitly betting on 1 or 2 to happen.
By all classical measures the market is currently highly or very highly valued but nowhere near moderate levels. It has also been a rather long bull run. This naturally creates elevated risks and makes a pullback more likely but not a certainty.
However, the AI theme is unlike any other investment theme I have ever seen in my nearly 30 years in markets and prior cycles I studied.
What makes the AI investment theme so different from other groundbreaking technologies of the past is that it can change every aspect of life.
While other groundbreaking technologies like computers, the internet or smartphones before were limited to certain areas of professional and personal life AI has the potential to touch every aspect of life both in professional and personal life. In other words: it will touch nearly every product and service everyone is consuming and add many new products and services nobody has thought of yet.
On top: AI will penetrate the economy much faster than other technologies, even faster than computers, the internet, or smartphones.
This unprecedented investment theme coincides with the rise of retail investors. Retail investors have never played a bigger role in the most important equity market globally, nothing else is even close: the U.S. equity market.
Retail investors often are driven by a belief in a certain leader, brand, or theme and pay little attention to classical financial considerations. Many did quite well with this approach.
Although the outcome of investing in meme stocks, NFTS, crypto currencies, and ultra-high P/E stocks are mixed there is an increasing number of outliers, outliers which are beyond classical investment analysis.
In essence for something to have value all that is needed is the belief of enough buyers. This is not new. Centuries ago the first fiat currencies may have been the first of such belief-based assets (hence the name fiat or ‘trust’). Meme stocks, NFTS, crypto currencies, and ultra-high P/E stocks may represent an evolutionary step of ‘fiat’ assets or belied-based assets. Just like many fiat currencies, many such new assets will fail but some will prevail.
In addition, there may be a formation of large enough belief-based investor circles which creates a self-reinforcing cycle not too dissimilar from a Ponzi scheme. Although some may find the comparison with a Ponzi scheme offensive, the stock market overall is very similar to a perpetual looking Ponzi scheme. Classical finance theory defines the value of a company, as expressed in share prices, as the net present value of future cash flows.
What’s typically omitted is the fact that the same theory postulates return of these cash flows to shareholders. In fact, the entire financial markets theory is based on the assumption that the investment is returned to the investor.
This is where financial market theory and reality differ in immeasurable ways: there is not a single company which ever returned the cash flow equivalent to the investment. Also, modern executive compensation schemes have made it even more elusive since paying dividends makes little sense from management’s perspective when a share buyback can boost earnings per share (a key metric in nearly all executive compensation schemes).
Also, most companies experience the following ark: they rise, get added to the S&P 500, stay there for some time, drop out, and never recover. The average age of an S&P 500 company has dropped below 20 years. The promised cash flow never flowed back to the investor: that is the stock market Ponzi scheme.
At this point you may wonder what this all has to do with the central question of this post at the beginning? The answer is everything.
The AI theme is so different and powerful, and Tesla viewed by such a large number of investors both inside and outside the U.S. as a likely winner that this enormous momentum is unlikely to be captured by classical analysis tools, just as they failed to capture similar belief-based assets.
And let’s be clear: a Tesla investment is mostly an investment in Elon. He galvanizes millions of young and old investors. That’s why many compare the Tesla investment community to a cult. I think it is an accurate comparison but unfortunately the term “cult” is universally negatively connotated even though there can be “cults” that are mostly positive where they help people.
“Get to the point AJ” many will be thinking at this point.
The gist of it all is that I won’t pretend to know what will happen since I believe we move into a new era in financial markets and AI systems likely have closed short-term alpha opportunities already. Hence, obsessing over relatively short-term price movements appears increasingly a futile exercise. “Keeping eyes on the ball” and not be distracted by noise (like temporary demand weakness in the U.S.) may be more important than ever before.
 

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That was a good read. Bessent has a really good grasp on the situation. Cybersecurity always a safe bet for folks looking to AI-proof their careers.

More and more coming out of robotics which is exciting on honestly timed well with tariffs and bringing back manufacturing. I thought the tariffs were a disastrous proposal but am starting to change my mind. Bringing manufacturing back to the US and built with a robotics-first design will put the US at a massive competitive advantage to the rest of the world.

But we need to move fast on data centers and power gen (the biggest bottleneck).
Power gen is a major concern.

Voters are going to get pissed when their power bills start rising quickly.
 
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Continues growing. Nearly 4% GDP growth in 2Q and Atlanta fed is forecasting 3.9% in 3q.

Job losses keep piling up. Payroll numbers came in much lower than expected and last months revised sharply lower as well.

Inflation above fed target and rising. Dollar having its worst year in over 50 years. Yet the govt has record interest payments on debt. Fed is in a tough spot.

Tricky situation where the economy is doing well yet people are starting to struggle. I wouldn’t be surprised if the midterms are all about job creation and cost of living.
Continues growing. Nearly 4% GDP growth in 2Q and Atlanta fed is forecasting 3.9% in 3q.
I'll have to see it to believe it. The Atlanta Fed is forecasting 3.9% but everybody else is forecasting half that.
Job losses keep piling up. Payroll numbers came in much lower than expected and last months revised sharply lower as well.
I don't know how fast job losses are piling up but newly created jobs have slowed to a crawl. Total payroll employment is near all time record highs.
Inflation above fed target and rising. Dollar having its worst year in over 50 years. Yet the govt has record interest payments on debt. Fed is in a tough spot.
It's difficult to get a handle on that. Assume average tariffs are 15%. I'd expect at least 5% to show up as higher prices but it wouldn't keep going up after that. In that example a lot of things would go up 5% but not keep going after that. Aside from tariffs a lot comes down to consumer spending which has remained strong so far. Then there's the way inflation is calculated. The government uses exports - imports which is peculiar. They also use a peculiar rent number instead of housing prices.
Tricky situation where the economy is doing well yet people are starting to struggle. I wouldn’t be surprised if the midterms are all about job creation and cost of living.
Elections are always about jobs and cost of living. People vote with their wallets. I have to laugh at democrats who are claiming that Trump hasn't brought down costs. Didn't inflation take off under Biden? IMO the major driver of non tariff related inflation is all the wage increases that went into effect a couple of years ago. Port workers, Teamsters, UAW, UPS drivers, Nurses, Teachers, etc. got big new contracts which is great for them but consumers have to pay for it. Fast food places near me went from $12/hr to $19.50/hr to start. It's not a coincidence that the dollar menu is now the 3 dollar menu.
 

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If people are struggling then the economy is not doing well. The companies may be, but the economy is not
Maybe true but what's the solution? For decades there have been fewer jobs that require manual low skill labor and more jobs that require working with your head. IMO we've done a poor job getting less educated people up to speed. Add the fact IMO work ethic has suffered. Younger people don't want to work in a factory. They'd rather drive a delivery truck.

I saw the CEO of Ford talking about people waiting 2+ weeks to get their cars repaired because they can't find mechanics. I did a quick look on Indeed and average pay for mechanics at car dealers is $75k - $125k which isn't bad but they can't get people.
 

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Power gen is a major concern.

Voters are going to get pissed when their power bills start rising quickly.
Absolutely. People are going to quickly hate AI and electric cars when their monthly power bill goes from $250 to $500.

Hopefully that drives more public acceptance of nuclear, though that is a solution that will take at least a decade.
 
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Absolutely. People are going to quickly hate AI and electric cars when their monthly power bill goes from $250 to $500.

Hopefully that drives more public acceptance of nuclear, though that is a solution that will take at least a decade.
I have been buying urg, ceg, ccj, nukz, xlu and gld
 

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Good commentary



This means that everyone who is waiting for a pullback is implicitly betting on 1 or 2 to happen.
By all classical measures the market is currently highly or very highly valued but nowhere near moderate levels. It has also been a rather long bull run. This naturally creates elevated risks and makes a pullback more likely but not a certainty.
However, the AI theme is unlike any other investment theme I have ever seen in my nearly 30 years in markets and prior cycles I studied.
What makes the AI investment theme so different from other groundbreaking technologies of the past is that it can change every aspect of life.
While other groundbreaking technologies like computers, the internet or smartphones before were limited to certain areas of professional and personal life AI has the potential to touch every aspect of life both in professional and personal life. In other words: it will touch nearly every product and service everyone is consuming and add many new products and services nobody has thought of yet.
On top: AI will penetrate the economy much faster than other technologies, even faster than computers, the internet, or smartphones.
This unprecedented investment theme coincides with the rise of retail investors. Retail investors have never played a bigger role in the most important equity market globally, nothing else is even close: the U.S. equity market.
Retail investors often are driven by a belief in a certain leader, brand, or theme and pay little attention to classical financial considerations. Many did quite well with this approach.
Although the outcome of investing in meme stocks, NFTS, crypto currencies, and ultra-high P/E stocks are mixed there is an increasing number of outliers, outliers which are beyond classical investment analysis.
In essence for something to have value all that is needed is the belief of enough buyers. This is not new. Centuries ago the first fiat currencies may have been the first of such belief-based assets (hence the name fiat or ‘trust’). Meme stocks, NFTS, crypto currencies, and ultra-high P/E stocks may represent an evolutionary step of ‘fiat’ assets or belied-based assets. Just like many fiat currencies, many such new assets will fail but some will prevail.
In addition, there may be a formation of large enough belief-based investor circles which creates a self-reinforcing cycle not too dissimilar from a Ponzi scheme. Although some may find the comparison with a Ponzi scheme offensive, the stock market overall is very similar to a perpetual looking Ponzi scheme. Classical finance theory defines the value of a company, as expressed in share prices, as the net present value of future cash flows.
What’s typically omitted is the fact that the same theory postulates return of these cash flows to shareholders. In fact, the entire financial markets theory is based on the assumption that the investment is returned to the investor.
This is where financial market theory and reality differ in immeasurable ways: there is not a single company which ever returned the cash flow equivalent to the investment. Also, modern executive compensation schemes have made it even more elusive since paying dividends makes little sense from management’s perspective when a share buyback can boost earnings per share (a key metric in nearly all executive compensation schemes).
Also, most companies experience the following ark: they rise, get added to the S&P 500, stay there for some time, drop out, and never recover. The average age of an S&P 500 company has dropped below 20 years. The promised cash flow never flowed back to the investor: that is the stock market Ponzi scheme.
At this point you may wonder what this all has to do with the central question of this post at the beginning? The answer is everything.
The AI theme is so different and powerful, and Tesla viewed by such a large number of investors both inside and outside the U.S. as a likely winner that this enormous momentum is unlikely to be captured by classical analysis tools, just as they failed to capture similar belief-based assets.
And let’s be clear: a Tesla investment is mostly an investment in Elon. He galvanizes millions of young and old investors. That’s why many compare the Tesla investment community to a cult. I think it is an accurate comparison but unfortunately the term “cult” is universally negatively connotated even though there can be “cults” that are mostly positive where they help people.
“Get to the point AJ” many will be thinking at this point.
The gist of it all is that I won’t pretend to know what will happen since I believe we move into a new era in financial markets and AI systems likely have closed short-term alpha opportunities already. Hence, obsessing over relatively short-term price movements appears increasingly a futile exercise. “Keeping eyes on the ball” and not be distracted by noise (like temporary demand weakness in the U.S.) may be more important than ever before.
Yeah, I’m not sure I buy Tesla winning this race. They sell cars and while the software is impressive it still underperforms Waymo. We need to have some serious advances in edge computing and networking in order for their autonomous strategy to work at scale.

The humanoid project is 20 years away IMO. Robotics requires a ridiculous amount of compute, which is why most of the current tech is focused on singular use cases.

It’s the ultimate meme/ponzi stock and he is one of the greatest salesmen this world has ever seen - brilliant and incredibly driven too. He makes it easy for influencer fan boys to pump up the stock but at some point the party ends.
 

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I have been buying urg, ceg, ccj, nukz, xlu and gld
Don’t consider myself a trader by any means, but did rotate a significant portion of my liquid holdings into IAUM.

Energy stocks look expensive already.

The top 10% already account for half of consumer spending and it’s rapidly getting worse.

Think we are going to have a lot of pissed off voters in a year.
 

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Don’t consider myself a trader by any means, but did rotate a significant portion of my liquid holdings into IAUM.

Energy stocks look expensive already.

The top 10% already account for half of consumer spending and it’s rapidly getting worse.

Think we are going to have a lot of pissed off voters in a year.
If I put any stock on a relatively large percentage of this board, there are already a lot of people pissed off.

But there is a lesson for all of us, become part of the 10%
 
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