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baltimorened

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You know she was awful.
she was, but likely not the most incompetent...Biden was pretty bad as well, and there are quite a few, some on here actually who think Democrats screwed Bernie out of the nomination. Now that would have definitely negated your belief that Kamala was the most incompetent
 
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baltimorened

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Don't bother. I know it's not a "fact". But she was undoubtedly, the worst candidate in US policical history.

Every time her name comes up now, democrats run for the hills. She has 0% chance of any meaningful political future in the US.
well again, there have been plenty more pi-- poor candidates in both parties. It's really not possible to quantify worst..now one of worst would be less debatable.
 
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If the election was based on competence, the people certainly selected the right candidate. Kamala Harris was probably the most unqualified, incompetent candidate in US political history. That's not meant to inflame, that is just a straight up fact.

The unqualified part is especially absurd. She was a Vice President, US Senator, and California Attorney General. That doesn't necessarily make her competent but the guy she was running against (when he ran the first time) was....a pretty good TV personality? A guy who bankrupted multiple casinos? A person whose first foray into public life was being sued for housing discrimination? Like other than him being good at licensing his own name and having a TV show (which are in no way relevant experience to being POTUS) I have no clue what you'd even say his qualifications are.
 

fatpiggy

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she was, but likely not the most incompetent...Biden was pretty bad as well, and there are quite a few, some on here actually who think Democrats screwed Bernie out of the nomination. Now that would have definitely negated your belief that Kamala was the most incompetent
Biden may have been worse but he actually won. So, if you are a winner you can't be in the worst categoty.

She had the election handed to her on a silver platter. She didn't even have to win a primary, which she would not have won nor finished in the top 3 if it were an open primary.

She continually had no substance in her answers despite softball questions. She made strategic mistake after strategic mistake and had a grating personality to go on top of her mistakes. She did not have any endearing qualities.

If she was such a great candidate and I misread her, then we can all agree that we hope we see her next cycle. But even democrats know that will result in JD Vance moooooooonwalking into the White House.
 
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fatpiggy

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The unqualified part is especially absurd. She was a Vice President, US Senator, and California Attorney General. That doesn't necessarily make her competent but the guy she was running against (when he ran the first time) was....a pretty good TV personality? A guy who bankrupted multiple casinos? A person whose first foray into public life was being sued for housing discrimination? Like other than him being good at licensing his own name and having a TV show (which are in no way relevant experience to being POTUS) I have no clue what you'd even say his qualifications are.
Yeah, the guy who trounced her. That guy.
 
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FLaw47

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Yeah, the guy who trounced her. That guy.

Remember, we're talking about qualifications here. What had Donald Trump done to qualify him to be President? I honestly cannot think of a less qualified President ever but I'm not going to claim that as fact.

Edit: Adding a definition since you're clearly confused:
"a quality or accomplishment that makes someone suitable for a particular job or activity."
 
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fatpiggy

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Remember, we're talking about qualifications here. What had Donald Trump done to qualify him to be President? I honestly cannot think of a less qualified President ever but I'm not going to claim that as fact.

Edit: Adding a definition since you're clearly confused:
"a quality or accomplishment that makes someone suitable for a particular job or activity."
Donald Trump won an acutal primary defeating 15+ other candidates on ideas.

Kamala never had to present any ideas. If there was an open primary, Kamala would not have finished top 3. Another #Fact
 

baltimorened

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The unqualified part is especially absurd. She was a Vice President, US Senator, and California Attorney General. That doesn't necessarily make her competent but the guy she was running against (when he ran the first time) was....a pretty good TV personality? A guy who bankrupted multiple casinos? A person whose first foray into public life was being sued for housing discrimination? Like other than him being good at licensing his own name and having a TV show (which are in no way relevant experience to being POTUS) I have no clue what you'd even say his qualifications are.
here's another point for your consideration...the president is the executive. The duties, and skill sets, of that office are significantly different. Ever heard of the "Peter principal". You can be a great senator, where you can vote for a law, but be totally ineffective in executing that law.

We could debate the issue forever, but in my opinion, we'll never find out if Kamala has executive level skills.
 
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FLaw47

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here's another point for your consideration...the president is the executive. The duties, and skill sets, of that office are significantly different. Ever heard of the "Peter principal". You can be a great senator, where you can vote for a law, but be totally ineffective in executing that law.

We could debate the issue forever, but in my opinion, we'll never find out if Kamala has executive level skills.

I'm not disputing that at all. Only saying that Trump didn't have any qualifications.
 

FLaw47

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Donald Trump won an acutal primary defeating 15+ other candidates on ideas.

Kamala never had to present any ideas. If there was an open primary, Kamala would not have finished top 3. Another #Fact

You're talking about a totally different thing.
 

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The value of the U.S. dollar has recently declined, reaching its weakest level since early 2022, largely influenced by comments from President Trump expressing a lack of concern about the drop. As of January 28, 2026, the U.S. Dollar Index is around 96.28, reflecting a significant decrease over the past year.
 

Dadar

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Inflation has leveled out just under 3% not crushed, and if the fed keeps cutting this is the bottom.

If only a couple presidents hadn't dumped money we didn't have on the economy..... If only a certain president didn't oversee the shutdown of the US/world economy creating easily foreseeable disruptions in the supply chain....

If only we weren't still dumping money on stimulus projects to stimulate and save an economy from COVID, 4 years after the event.....

If only politicians didn't pander and then lie....

If only citizens voted for competence rather than binary party labels.
Nixon eliminating any peg to gold to fund the Viet Nam war swung the hen house door off the hinges. Following years inflation jumped until Volcker facilitated high interest rates I remember my Dad had CDs paying close to 20%.
 
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Nixon eliminating any peg to gold to fund the Viet Nam war swung the hen house door off the hinges. Following years inflation jumped until Volcker facilitated high interest rates I remember my Dad had CDs paying close to 20%.
I don't know, but hasn't Trump always favored a weak dollar?
 
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fatpiggy

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The value of the U.S. dollar has recently declined, reaching its weakest level since early 2022, largely influenced by comments from President Trump expressing a lack of concern about the drop. As of January 28, 2026, the U.S. Dollar Index is around 96.28, reflecting a significant decrease over the past year.
Yeah, that makes your groceries cheaper. You aren't complaining are you? 🤣🤣
 
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all you have to do is go to the grocery store to see that prices are still high. But as someone has pointed out, we would need deflation to get all prices down to pre Biden levels..

that's why I have posted that Trump is going in the wrong directions by telling voters that prices are going down..some are, some aren't. But when the total at checkout is higher the average consumer see that number.

Are things better under Trump? To Me depends on your financial status. It's been a good trump year for me, but I know other people who have not seen better circumstances.
 
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Dadar

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Donald Trump won an acutal primary defeating 15+ other candidates on ideas.

Kamala never had to present any ideas. If there was an open primary, Kamala would not have finished top 3. Another #Fact
Politics aside, how is this volatility playing in what you follow?
 

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all you have to do is go to the grocery store to see that prices are still high. But as someone has pointed out, we would need deflation to get all prices down to pre Biden levels..

that's why I have posted that Trump is going in the wrong directions by telling voters that prices are going down..some are, some aren't. But when the total at checkout is higher the average consumer see that number.

Are things better under Trump? To Me depends on your financial status. It's been a good trump year for me, but I know other people who have not seen better circumstances.
Ned, is it not less about today than how things are affecting the future
 

baltimorened

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Politics aside, how is this volatility playing in what you follow?
not aimed at me but...This volatility is overwhelming. I don't know how anyone manages all the balls that are in the air. If you just focused on the economy - inflation, housing, jobs, interest rates, trade, tariffs - that's a full time job. But now we've got full court press on immigration, Iran, NATO, Canada, drugs, pharmaceutical, Medicare advantage, housing affordability, palisade permitting., whew...and there's more, elections, Congress, Cuba, the dollar, crypto, gold ...who can keep up.

I have to admit I'm absolutely amazed in a really good way that the stock market is doing so well.

We've gone from a president who took naps (which is one of god's greatest inventions IMO) to one that never sleeps.
 
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not aimed at me but...This volatility is overwhelming. I don't know how anyone manages all the balls that are in the air. If you just focused on the economy - inflation, housing, jobs, interest rates, trade, tariffs - that's a full time job. But now we've got full court press on immigration, Iran, NATO, Canada, drugs, pharmaceutical, Medicare advantage, housing affordability, palisade permitting., whew...and there's more, elections, Congress, Cuba, the dollar, crypto, gold ...who can keep up.

I have to admit I'm absolutely amazed in a really good way that the stock market is doing so well.

We've gone from a president who took naps (which is one of god's greatest inventions IMO) to one that never sleeps.
To a large degree the stock market in todays time is socialized with government interventions and deficit spending.

Best to separate morality from any view of the market.

A quote from Bernard Baruch stuck with me a long time ago.

"Trade what you see, not what you think"
 

baltimorened

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Ned, is it not less about today than how things are affecting the future
I don't follow all this stuff as closely as you apparently do....but, one of the reasons my wife and I save so much is because we are really concerned about our grandchildren and their futures. Both of us have fewer days in front of us then behind, but it's the opposite for them.

I'm a person concerned about the debt and the lack of concern our leaders apparently have about the debt..

I've told them, the grandchildren, that they need to understand that what they see today will not be what they see tomorrow. In my lifetime we've gone from rabbit ears on the TV that were discussed in another thread to wireless streaming. phones featured in Dick Tracy comic books to reality, computers, color tv HD. cars that have 10 year warranties, and the list goes on and on. I still remember watching in awe as we landed people on the moon....

We have an education system that doesn't educate, leaders that don't lead, laws we don't follow, and the problems go on. In the financial world, God only knows what lies ahead for us, yet we seem totally concerned over quarterly financial reports.

I'm sure I touched just a modicum of what you have in your mind.

The thing I have in my mind....when I was a young boy, my family was just that, family, I had 6 uncles that had various levels of employment - all working class milkmen, paper route owner, Busdriver and the like - and every year at the holidays everyone gathered at Grandma's....My uncles all sat around the kitchen table talking about the problems of the world. And you know the topics of complaints- high taxes, the rich, cost of living, saving for retirement. Yep, most of the same things we complain about today, just in higher financial denominations.
 

baltimorened

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To a large degree the stock market in todays time is socialized with government interventions and deficit spending.

Best to separate morality from any view of the market.

A quote from Bernard Baruch stuck with me a long time ago.

"Trade what you see, not what you think"
all excellent points
 

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Yeah, that makes your groceries cheaper. You aren't complaining are you? 🤣🤣
Especially if you are eating those $3 meals so readily created/identified by the administration.

Weak dollar also makes a lot of stuff more expensive- anything imported-- add that to the tariffs as they phase in on anything electronic, most clothes, etc. (assuming Taco Don doesn't pivot and cower again), any international travel or business purchases, basically everything in the rest of the world. That is the way of the third world- local goods are relatively affordable anything imported is prohibitive. That is the weak dollar world Don wants us to live in--- more people working lower paid jobs with the real money accumulating at the top. If you are near the top, congrats you are doing well. The lady that worked the register when I bought breakfast this morning was lamenting how cold it was when she got off her first job at 4 am, hoped it would warm up so she could afford to heat the house-- that's the world a lot of folks are facing- multiple low paying jobs and worried about basic utilities...
 
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TigerGrowls

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People are bailing on America. Dollar is tanking. And Trump seems to be ok with it.

the sad reality is the folks who own assets will be fine, but those who live paycheck to paycheck are going to get crushed.
18+ trillion dollars of investment in the US and counting says your opinion sucks.
 

TigerGrowls

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Especially if you are eating those $3 meals so readily created/identified by the administration.

Weak dollar also makes a lot of stuff more expensive- anything imported-- add that to the tariffs as they phase in on anything electronic, most clothes, etc. (assuming Taco Don doesn't pivot and cower again), any international travel or business purchases, basically everything in the rest of the world. That is the way of the third world- local goods are relatively affordable anything imported is prohibitive. That is the weak dollar world Don wants us to live in--- more people working lower paid jobs with the real money accumulating at the top. If you are near the top, congrats you are doing well. The lady that worked the register when I bought breakfast this morning was lamenting how cold it was when she got off her first job at 4 am, hoped it would warm up so she could afford to heat the house-- that's the world a lot of folks are facing- multiple low paying jobs and worried about basic utilities...
This is like when you geniuses predicted tariffs would wreck the economy and cause inflation to soar. All were wrong. Let's see what happens. I will stick with Trump who is right most of the time.
 

TigerGrowls

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Im from Spartanburg, it will cause power to be more expensive. It will create maybe 100 jobs. If it ends up costing the locals 10 dollars more per month on power bills, its a net negative.
Revenue to the county should soar. The local leaders are apparently happy about it.
 

fatpiggy

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Politics aside, how is this volatility playing in what you follow?
I’ve been having good success trading the 0DTE’s.

Took a while to adjust to Trumps style, but getting better at structuring my trades. Been on a good run after a long slump so it feels good.

How about for you?
 
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