The Force Awakens

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I was surprised to find that Grunberg played Temmin Wexley, one of the main characters in the Aftermath novel. He's now an X-Wing pilot.
 

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I was surprised to find that Grunberg played Temmin Wexley, one of the main characters in the Aftermath novel. He's now an X-Wing pilot.

Yeah, I remember this being announced back at Celebration. The theater for my first showing actually had small applause when he first showed up, which surprised me. I liked him on Alias.
 
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Star Wars dropped to 27$ million on Thursday but its still the highest 2nd week Thursday for a movie ever. I'm taking my Handicapped friend and his girl friend to see it tonight or tomorrow morning depending on when I get into Kentucky. So they'll get another 75$ from me soon
 
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5 yr old just asked if Vader is dead how come his body didn't evaporate like everyone that uses the force.

Good question even though Anakin did appear as an everlasting spirit with yoda and obi-wan.
 

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I saw it for the 2nd time at the Kentucky Theater this afternoon. Wasn't full but it was as big of a crowd as I've seen there in awhile. And the lobby was very full for the next showing when I left.
 

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5 yr old just asked if Vader is dead how come his body didn't evaporate like everyone that uses the force.

Good question even though Anakin did appear as an everlasting spirit with yoda and obi-wan.
He wasn't struck down (of course neither was Yoda) and he was half machine anyway. Plus all the Jedi that got killed in that arena in AOTC didn't disappear either. I assume you have to reach a certain level of Jedi-ocity to do that.
 
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Not sure how Anakin became a force ghost. When Obi Wan disappeared he was very surprised. I took it as being one with the force was a rare thing.
 

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Qui-Gon discovers the one with the force thing (although he doesn't disappear) and teaches this to Yoda who then passes it on to Obi-Wan. This is discussed at the end of Episode III and further covered in the Clone Wars cartoon (with Qui-Gon actually voiced by Neeson). As for why Anakin ultimately becomes a ghost without disappearing I suppose is open to interpretation.
 

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You guys just reminded me of a question I had even as far back as the preview. How did Kylo Ren end up with the melted Vader mask from the funeral pyre Luke lit on Endor?
 
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Possibly took it from artifacts Luke had while training him at the Jedi Academy before he killed all of the students is my guess.
 

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Well if that isn't the most paddock thing ever. Hey you got a book to get all the answers to a 20 page thread full of questions. What dork! But since your a dork please tell me if I should be a dork too, but don't tell anyone I'm a dork.

I've considered buying the book myself because there is simply too much stuff not making sense. I hate reading but I almost have enough motivation to do it, not sure yet though.
 

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Well if that isn't the most paddock thing ever. Hey you got a book to get all the answers to a 20 page thread full of questions. What dork! But since your a dork please tell me if I should be a dork too, but don't tell anyone I'm a dork.

I've considered buying the book myself because there is simply too much stuff not making sense. I hate reading but I almost have enough motivation to do it, not sure yet though.
Yea, I'm making fun of myself too. You sure do miss a lot of obvious stuff.
 

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My wife used her audible credit to get me the book. I didn't want it but I'll take it.
 

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Yea, I'm making fun of myself too. You sure do miss a lot of obvious stuff.

I just assume when discussing for 20 pages like Star Wars where so many are nerds when it comes to this stuff that there is no reason to even call someone a dork about anything.

Follow that up with making fun of yourself by asking for a book report, and well I'd guess maybe there is no need for the dork comments at all and maybe just a "hey let me know if it's worth it" would have been better.

And that wasn't me making fun of myself, I really hate to read honestly. Never been good at it and zone out usually within minutes or go to sleep.
 
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I just assume when discussing for 20 pages like Star Wars where so many are nerds when it comes to this stuff that there is no reason to even call someone a dork about anything.

Follow that up with making fun of yourself by asking for a book report, and well I'd guess maybe there is no need for the dork comments at all and maybe just a "hey let me know if it's worth it" would have been better.

And that wasn't me making fun of myself, I really hate to read honestly. Never been good at it and zone out usually within minutes or go to sleep.
You really are that dumb, aren't you? [laughing]
 
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Smart enormous this to know LEK likes to come out of the D, and mess with people when he gets a chance. Not to worried about badgering him or vice verse.

But why you crawl out of the political thread and attempt to be normal is something to behold.
 
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I ran krazycats post through google translate and it said "error, sober up and try again later"
 
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just got back from my third and final viewing of TFA in theaters (found a showing that still had tickets, amazingly enough)

I'm now back to thinking Rey isn't a Solo. If anything, she's Luke's, but I'm not even sold on that.

a couple things that made me flip:
(1) Han never recognized her, but Leia did immediately
(2) Maz told Rey "Whoever left you there [on Jakku] is never coming back".
(3) Rey's vision included three scenes: the Bespin hallway, the forest on Starkiller, and a rainy landscape where the Knights of Ren were gathered. The first two make sense, but what significance does the third have for Rey/the lightsaber?

Regarding (1): Theoretically Leia could've found out she was pregnant right after Ben went psycho and Han left (explaining why neither of them know her), but this seems like a stretch to me. Leia had no reason to hide this from Han for two decades, plus Kylo Ren probably would've sniffed it out (albeit Vader didn't understand Luke until Palpatine told him)
Regarding (2): To me, this means she was either hidden there by somebody who subsequently died OR marooned there by someone who's permanently turned to the Dark Side
Regarding (3): The Bespin hallway revealed Luke's parentage, the forest of Starkiller saw Rey's "first step" in mastery of the Force, but why the Knights of Ren scene? Kylo Ren is shown murdering a lightsaber-wielding person (Jedi?), and the camera shows that person from the perspective of a smaller person, possibly a child.

My conclusion: Rey was hidden on Jakku by the person seen murdered by Kylo Ren.
Educated guess: Kylo Ren murdered Rey's mother (or father, I suppose)

I'm still unsure about Luke being Rey's father. That would be a repeat of the mistake made by Anakin (falling in love with Padme), and it's possible that the authors are trying to bring an entirely new family into the Star Wars saga. Evidence against that, though, would be the fact that she's stronger in the Force than anybody not named "Skywalker", the vision of the Bespin hallway, the calling of the Skywalker lightsaber, and that Leia recognized her.
 
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just got back from my third and final viewing of TFA in theaters (found a showing that still had tickets, amazingly enough)

I'm now back to thinking Rey isn't a Solo. If anything, she's Luke's, but I'm not even sold on that.

a couple things that made me flip:
(1) Han never recognized her, but Leia did immediately
(2) Maz told Rey "Whoever left you there [on Jakku] is never coming back".
(3) Rey's vision included three scenes: the Bespin hallway, the forest on Starkiller, and a rainy landscape where the Knights of Ren were gathered. The first two make sense, but what significance does the third have for Rey/the lightsaber?

Regarding (1): Theoretically Leia could've found out she was pregnant right after Ben went psycho and Han left (explaining why neither of them know her), but this seems like a stretch to me. Leia had no reason to hide this from Han for two decades, plus Kylo Ren probably would've sniffed it out (albeit Vader didn't understand Luke until Palpatine told him)
Regarding (2): To me, this means she was either hidden there by somebody who subsequently died OR marooned there by someone who's permanently turned to the Dark Side
Regarding (3): The Bespin hallway revealed Luke's parentage, the forest of Starkiller saw Rey's "first step" in mastery of the Force, but why the Knights of Ren scene? Kylo Ren is shown murdering a lightsaber-wielding person (Jedi?), and the camera shows that person from the perspective of a smaller person, possibly a child.

My conclusion: Rey was hidden on Jakku by the person seen murdered by Kylo Ren.
Educated guess: Kylo Ren murdered Rey's mother (or father, I suppose)

I'm still unsure about Luke being Rey's father. That would be a repeat of the mistake made by Anakin (falling in love with Padme), and it's possible that the authors are trying to bring an entirely new family into the Star Wars saga. Evidence against that, though, would be the fact that she's stronger in the Force than anybody not named "Skywalker", the vision of the Bespin hallway, the calling of the Skywalker lightsaber, and that Leia recognized her.
I'm of the mind set she was trained as a kid. Why she "learns" Jedi stuff. Good theory.
 

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I'm sure the vision of Kylo Ren was the past when he slaughtered the jedi.

Also don't forget that Maz said after the one Rey is looking for isnt coming back.... She then says but there is one... and Rey says Luke. She was looking for her family ... so its another clue she is probably Luke's kid and also a clue that her mother is possibly who dropped her off.
 
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I'm sure the vision of Kylo Ren was the past when he slaughtered the jedi.

Also don't forget that Maz said after the one Rey is looking for isnt coming back.... She then says but there is one... and Rey says Luke. She was looking for her family ... so its another clue she is probably Luke's kid and also a clue that her mother is possibly who dropped her off.
Agreed
 

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The person murdered by Kylo Ren in the flashback looks like one of his own Knights of Ren. Same type of armor. The guy is facing AWAY from Kylo Ren and Ren's saber goes into his back and out through his chest. To me, it almost looks like Kylo Ren was PROTECTING a young Rey from one of his own who was about to kill her.
 
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The person murdered by Kylo Ren in the flashback looks like one of his own Knights of Ren. Same type of armor. The guy is facing AWAY from Kylo Ren and Ren's saber goes into his back and out through his chest. To me, it almost looks like Kylo Ren was PROTECTING a young Rey from one of his own who was about to kill her.
Ooooooooooo I like that theory

I still think Kylo Ren marooning his kid sister on Jakku and lying to Snoke about it is the best storyline, but we'll see
 

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Rey knows who left her on Jakku , you'd have to think she'd recognize Ben / Ren once he takes off the mask

But then again its a movie..... they don't always make sense so who knows
 

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Some interesting theories out there. Since Unka is a trader you would think she was part of a deal, and don't think the Millenium Falcon being on Jakku is just a coincidence. Han Solo said it was "stolen"from him, and what if he meant that he did a trade that was so lopsided that it was figuratively stolen from him in a deal to protect Rey? Might explain him leaving on a different ship since the one he traded (Falcon) was no longer an option for travel.
 

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Han Solo said it was "stolen"from him, and what if he meant that he did a trade that was so lopsided that it was figuratively stolen from him in a deal to protect Rey? Might explain him leaving on a different ship since the one he traded (Falcon) was no longer an option for travel.

Rey mentioned that the ship had changed hands a couple times since the person who had got it from Han (which would have made it hard to make sure it was on Jakku). Also, Han mentions to Chewie that they should have double checked the area where Jakku is for the Falcon, so it seems like they were actively looking for it (didn't know where it was).
 

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I got a kick out of this theory...

We hate to state this theory as much as Ewok fans hate to hear it, but the evidence is hard to dismiss. On closer inspection, the images of the Knights of Ren show virtually dozens of dead surrounding them, and few of them appear to be adult-sized beings. Sure, it could be Luke’s young Jedi (and a few older Jedi or innocents caught in the crossfire), but that conclusion is based almost entirely on new assumptions.

On the other hand, we know that Darth Vader’s helmet had to be retrieved at some point, we know that it was laid to rest on Endor’s moon, we know that the Ewoks reside on that moon, and are vicious to outsiders. We also know that the dead didn’t need to be taken down by lightsabers, since only Kylo Ren is shown to be using one – the other Knights of Ren are all carrying blasters, staffs, or other standard weapons that would have an advantage over a primitive race.

The fact that the moon’s dense forests clearly have an active rain cycle, along with the many rocks and melee weapons visible scattered between the bodies – not sporting any discernible clothing – make the more logical conclusion the saddest one. It’s also the simplest: Kylo Ren sought out Vader’s helmet, went to Endor with back-up, and killed anyone who got in their way.

If you ask us, that’s definitely the kind of cruel and unjust slaughter that would disturb the Force enough for Rey to sense it.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-knights-kylo-ren-explained-ewoks/2/
 

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Ooooooooooo I like that theory

I still think Kylo Ren marooning his kid sister on Jakku and lying to Snoke about it is the best storyline, but we'll see
Why would he go out and seek to kill her At end? He tells her it's not over.

Maybe Ren saved her at one point, but think she was dropped off by solo
 

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If Snoke knew that the Millenium Falcon was flying again, he'd probably know if Kylo Ren was hiding something from him.

Did anyone see Jar Jar in the movie anywhere?
 

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What is the Millenium Falcon known for? Smuggling. Probably a good chance Rey was smuggled out on it and taken to Jakku by whoever took her there.

Also, she seems to know a lot about a lot of things for someone loving on a remote planet - the MF making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs, Luke Skywalker, telling Kylo about Vader when she had never seen nor heard of him...