In this weeks edition, Jared is roasting the receivers. He said he over heard Badet saying he wasn't gonna catch balls over the middle. Must listen.
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Jared on 2014 class: "Biggest bunch of friggin' pansies." "Screw Dorian Baker. He can leave." "I can't stand Badet."
Jared is just mad his precious Patrick is leaving. On the radio today he was giving the most "coach speak" ever on the problems with the team and coaching staff. Matt was even calling him out on it. He has to realize this isn't your grandads fan base anymore. People aren't going to sit around and buy tickets if no changes are made in the offseason.
Exactly. Jared will say anything to deflect blame from Towles. Just like on this forum; you know exactly which posters are Highlands guys based on their take on Towles. I'll give it to them though, they stick together, even when the play on the field is tough to defend.
you don't have to be a Highlands guy or even a fan of Towles to know the effort and play of our wide receivers was a BIG contributor to our 5-7 season. back in August many smart analyst thought that was UK's most talented, deepest, and dependable positions.
WRs underperformed and underproduced...but Lorenzen does try to protect Towles at every chance he can since he was his QB coach at Highlands.
He maybe protecting Patrick but theres no denying the lack of effort from out receivers this year and they certainly didn't mind dropping Drew Barker passes either, especially at key times. Sure they all made an occasional big play but the only receiver I'd even call reliable this year was Juice. They deserve to be roasted as much as the offensive line and the QB.
It is really mind boggling the lack of play making we had this year...on both sides of the ball really...but specifically offense...
not one WR stepped up...
I'm not sure what it is...the whole lot of them under performed...
the worst teams in the country have 1 guy that can get some kind of production and make a play or two here and there...
an uncanny amount of dropped passes this year and lack of effort plays where maybe the ball didn't quite hit them square in their chest but they could have easily made something happen with some desire and will...didn't have a lot of YAC play making either...
not one WR stepped up...
I'm not sure what it is...the whole lot of them under performed...
the worst teams in the country have 1 guy that can get some kind of production and make a play or two here and there...
an uncanny amount of dropped passes this year and lack of effort plays where maybe the ball didn't quite hit them square in their chest but they could have easily made something happen with some desire and will...didn't have a lot of YAC play making either...
obviously the position coach responsible for their individual instruction as well as the snap rotation for them is a big big issue for Stoops to address this offseason
Our coaches get confused on who the best players are that need to play. This is not limited to any one position, but several, as evident by our results this past season.
If your QB is the team's chief weakness and the WR's are the offense's best group, why wouldn't the receivers try harder to compensate for the poor passing? Instead, they checked out in some ways. What does that say about the team's overall commitment and desire to win? Knowing that the win over Louisville means a bowl bid, did the offensive players bear down in order to keep the pressure on the opponent? I wonder just how dedicated some players are to improving the program. Is it youthfulness that allows players to lose grasp of how important it is to compete and play hard in order to win in the SEC?
There's obviously something very wrong inside the program. Past team's with less talent did not quit during less successful seasons. The Kevin McClellans, Jeff Snedegars and Derek Abney's didn't let up despite losing opportunities to go bowling. Avery Wiiliamson, Chris Chenault, Oliver Barnett, and Melvin Johnson continued to bring it every Saturday while playing on losing teams. Where is the player ownership in the program regardless of record and opponent?
Am I way off base? I know Boom and Jojo are fierce competitors. There are others, of course, but overall, the fan complaints are about degrees of selfishness that really never existed on former UK teams. It is especially hard to digest when the level of individual talent is far ahead of previous teams. Past teams never quit or put forth half- hearted efforts. That is the primary reason the fan base has supported the program through all of these futile seasons.
What is Stoops NOT doing to unify HIS and OUR team? Is it really his inexperience? If he is not disciplining the players, why did he come to the table lacking that principle? Hell, he's coached in some big programs. The state of affairs in UK football is souring more and more. All sense of optimism and every bit of momentum has been squandered in a lot of people's minds. Its shameful.
There's obviously something very wrong inside the program. Past team's with less talent did not quit during less successful seasons. The Kevin McClellans, Jeff Snedegars and Derek Abney's didn't let up despite losing opportunities to go bowling. Avery Wiiliamson, Chris Chenault, Oliver Barnett, and Melvin Johnson continued to bring it every Saturday while playing on losing teams. Where is the player ownership in the program regardless of record and opponent?
Am I way off base? I know Boom and Jojo are fierce competitors. There are others, of course, but overall, the fan complaints are about degrees of selfishness that really never existed on former UK teams. It is especially hard to digest when the level of individual talent is far ahead of previous teams. Past teams never quit or put forth half- hearted efforts. That is the primary reason the fan base has supported the program through all of these futile seasons.
What is Stoops NOT doing to unify HIS and OUR team? Is it really his inexperience? If he is not disciplining the players, why did he come to the table lacking that principle? Hell, he's coached in some big programs. The state of affairs in UK football is souring more and more. All sense of optimism and every bit of momentum has been squandered in a lot of people's minds. Its shameful.
Well, If ever there was an expert on lack of effort and letting your team down, Jared is the man.
Garrett Johnson gave everything he had on every play and played hurt most of the season.. He also made MANY highlight catches, on passes that were underthrown, overthrown, thrown behind him, thrown in the dirt, well, you get the picture . I truly believe this team quit on the coaches because of the qb issue. That was the only reason the qb change was made imo.
Towles got Juice blown up a ton this year. If anyone could make excuses, it's him. I don't think Juice ever let up though.
I don't think you can include Garrett Johnson as not giving his all .
I don't think any of us know anything other than the play on the field sucked and the in game coaching was suspect...
Just a team with seriously bad bad Juju... Maybe it gets better ... But scary to think what happens if it don't.............
Just a team with seriously bad bad Juju... Maybe it gets better ... But scary to think what happens if it don't.............
Both can be (and in my opinion are) true: Jared is protective of Patrick and our WRs severely regressed.
Look at the effort they played w the first couple of weeks. Not only catches, but route running and blocking.
Not sure of the reason why, but we had a lot of going through the motions from that group the 2nd half of the year.
Btw, betting Stoops was wishing he hadn't redshirted the 2 highly touted WRs now. Thinking they get the in the rotation fast next year.
Look at the effort they played w the first couple of weeks. Not only catches, but route running and blocking.
Not sure of the reason why, but we had a lot of going through the motions from that group the 2nd half of the year.
Btw, betting Stoops was wishing he hadn't redshirted the 2 highly touted WRs now. Thinking they get the in the rotation fast next year.
I didn't listen to it. Was Timmons mentioned? I thought of him as a good team player, even if he hasn't met expectations.
They mentioned Timmons, but the main ire was reserved for Baker and Badet.
Oddly enough, I still think we have a talented WR core. They just vastly under performed this year. Esp the second half of the year.
(and yes, the QB play sucked and the OTs were awful - it all goes together)
Oddly enough, I still think we have a talented WR core. They just vastly under performed this year. Esp the second half of the year.
(and yes, the QB play sucked and the OTs were awful - it all goes together)
It's the second year in a row that this particular class (2014) declined in the second half a season. Last year, in the second half, Blue and Robinson were really carrying the load, when the freshmen were making an impact earlier. I don't know if these just hit the wall for two years in a row or what, but there was a decline in both years. No doubt that it also has to do with better competition in the second half, and increasingly worser play at QB.
A guy that lost his job in the pros because he couldn't stop eating calling out guys for not giving their all is quite funny to me. I don't disagree with him though, but considering how off Towles was throwing up the middle I wouldn't want to go there either and get blown up.
I never meant to imply that the entire team quit performing. There are several players whose efforts I meant to question, but there are other players, Garrett Johnson included, who played to win every down.
Not making excuses for any players whatsoever (I think our coaches make enough excuses as is) but I don't think you can look at one group without accounting for deficiencies across the field. Perhaps our WRs wouldn't have been so fearful of crossing routes if we actually used our TE in the middle of the field. Maybe WRs knew that our main QB locked on to one guy and therefore put easy crosshairs on chosen WR when the ball was in the air. The list can go on and on....
Do I think that the WRs as a whole underperformed and at times looked very selfish? Absolutely! But with this team's disfunction after the Missouri game, it's easy to see how several things could snowball.
Do I think that the WRs as a whole underperformed and at times looked very selfish? Absolutely! But with this team's disfunction after the Missouri game, it's easy to see how several things could snowball.
First, Towles honks like Lorenzen wanted others to believe that the WRs were intentionally underperforming in order to make Towles look bad. However, the UofL game made it pretty clear that the WRs just aren't that great no matter who is throwing them the ball and that they were NOT intentionally hurting the team in order to set up their boy Barker.
Secondly, this sounds far too personal for my tastes. Lorenzen needs to shut up and act semi-professional if he intends to play the role of a media member.
Lastly, it is pretty ridiculous for Lorenzen to rant like this about some guys on the roster at UK and especially when you consider how much he was the target of fans AND STAFF doubting his commitment to becoming a good football player at UK because he refused to be in shape.
I don't like being critical of Jared because I really liked watching him play and I like him, but he needs to tone it down.
Secondly, this sounds far too personal for my tastes. Lorenzen needs to shut up and act semi-professional if he intends to play the role of a media member.
Lastly, it is pretty ridiculous for Lorenzen to rant like this about some guys on the roster at UK and especially when you consider how much he was the target of fans AND STAFF doubting his commitment to becoming a good football player at UK because he refused to be in shape.
I don't like being critical of Jared because I really liked watching him play and I like him, but he needs to tone it down.
We had one of the most talented WR group in the SEC. The second half of the season, they quit; along with many other players on the team.
Was it because they got used to being missed when they were open? Because errant throws nearly got some of them killed? General laziness? Or was losing really that much of a mental impact on the group?
On second thought, I dont know the group quit. But their effort definitely wasnt consistent. Early in the year they were all wide open on every play. Later on, most of the time, they were perfectly OK with being covered.
Was it because they got used to being missed when they were open? Because errant throws nearly got some of them killed? General laziness? Or was losing really that much of a mental impact on the group?
On second thought, I dont know the group quit. But their effort definitely wasnt consistent. Early in the year they were all wide open on every play. Later on, most of the time, they were perfectly OK with being covered.
Yeah, actually you can IMO. He didnt go fearlessly over the middle or catch as many balls the last 6 games of the season as he did the beginning.
oh c'mon, he isnt pretending to be nor should anyone try and treat JLoad like he is some great impartial member of the journalistic profession. He's a former player, fanboy, giving hot takes on the team. Every team in the country has them around doing the same things, most of the time they see no evil/hear no evil/speak no evil unless things are going bad, and then they take a flamethrower to coaches or players.
Gosh, people make going over the middle sound like you're in the middle of Afghanistan. The truth be known there has never really been a better time to go over the middle with the recent rule changes.
If you aren't man enough to go over the middle then find another position, get bigger, or cheerlead.
It's like baseball players complaining about the sun in their eyes. The sun has been there for billions of years, get over it.
Guys have been going over the middle and getting drilled for years. Get over it.
The bottom line is that Drew will have to paint the ball on these receivers for the passing game to be successful.
If you aren't man enough to go over the middle then find another position, get bigger, or cheerlead.
It's like baseball players complaining about the sun in their eyes. The sun has been there for billions of years, get over it.
Guys have been going over the middle and getting drilled for years. Get over it.
The bottom line is that Drew will have to paint the ball on these receivers for the passing game to be successful.
[golf clap]
I really enjoyed the podcast all year, despite its monumental need of an editor, and very glad they did it. That said, as the season went south it became increasingly driven by obvious relationships members of the panel had with certain certain players and certain members of the staff. Which basically made it a bash-fest of certain kids on the team, to the point it was downright unprofessional (and not even really accurate) at times.
I think the larger point remains that this year's lack of performance was an all systems failure that bled into every position on our team.Forget about throwing over the middle, Patrick was inconsistent in enough areas enough times to never get any rhythm established, and that could very well be attributed to the line.
I'm not assessing blame on any one group when I say that. Just what seems the most reasonable. Good thing we apparently have some good linemen coming in. I'd start building quality depth there.
Although I think a good coach would've done a lot more with this group than our staff.
I sure hope they get better.
Journalistic integrity be damned, it felt good to hear Jared say what he said.
I'm not assessing blame on any one group when I say that. Just what seems the most reasonable. Good thing we apparently have some good linemen coming in. I'd start building quality depth there.
Although I think a good coach would've done a lot more with this group than our staff.
I sure hope they get better.
Journalistic integrity be damned, it felt good to hear Jared say what he said.
I'll take Jared over Badet - Pro with actual knowledge over someone who doesn't give 100%-
Exactly...
"I heard Badet say he wouldn't catch a ball over the middle vs UT...He can get the hell out" -JL
"Pat has been planning on transferring for quite awhile" some have mentioned he may have started to look around the AUB/MSU games..."Pat is a class act and ultimate teammate...loves this university and UK football more than anything" - JL
Maybe it's not my place but I am just curious after reading some of this. If these receivers were so bad and quitting on the team, why didn't you guys play other guys? I know you guys had more receivers than just Badet and Baker. If those two were as bad as Jared Lorenzen is saying, why didn't they play someone else?
Why exactly? Because it makes you feel better to have someone(s) on the team to demonize after that disaster of a season?
Lorenzen sounds like an angry parent pissed about how their 12 yr old has been mishandled by the middle school football coach. Clearly, he is hearing this stuff second hand since he is no longer on the team, so it seems to be a low rent move to take what the Towles camp version of events are and air it as if it's 100% truth.
If these WRs are such horrible characters capable of the things he describes, what does it say about the staff and their continued use of them during games?
I'd have more respect for what Lorenzen says if he would acknowledge the reality that Towles was pure garbage as a starter.