To make improvements a large part of Horhn's efforts will need to be attracting LEGITIMATE private investors. Jackson's sales tax base has gone (literally) and he has to find a way to get people to spend their money there again.
The Lumumba era is coming to a close
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That part ain't rocket science. Work with the state and the CCID to make it safe, then the investment will happen. Jackson's downtown is ripe for it.
I'm just skeptical that even Bennie and his gang want TOO much investment. Because if too many people move in, their political power may be diminished.
It's "DAT dope" not THAT dope.
There's really not much to move, maybe 1 in 10 enclosures has any kind of animal in it, other than the possums, coons, and wild dogs that wander the place
Thank the good Lord that's over with. Too bad he ran off a MASSIVE chunk of the tax base in the process only never to return. I don't know why anyone who left would go back at this point, it's just chaos around there. Hope they can get things ironed out sooner rather than later because the rest of the states benefit when Jackson is in a good spot.
I will never understand why Jackson doesn't shut down their zoo. It's in a literal war zone that no one is going to. There must be some funding that's getting embezzled from the state or feds that's supposed to go to the zoo
That is 90 percent of Jackson's "issues."
This the architectural drawing of the $500,000 "amphitheater" Chockwe is building at the zoo. I'm sure it'll come in at twice that.
Oh, ok then, I need to update my notes so I remember that federal involvement at the local and state level is now liked and its even encouraged.
My notes still showed that federal involvement is bad, local power is best, small government is ideal, etc etc.
Jackson had local control and they couldn’t keep first world amenities like running water. I don’t think people who are self interested (which is basically anybody in Mississippi at this point) preferring state and federal involvement to having a state capital city without running water is the own you think it is.
Even for people who aren’t self interested, it’s not exactly hypocrisy to think that you should have local control and also, when that results in third world conditions, it’s better for state or federal entities to take control than it is to leave those people to suffer.
You forgot to throw in how everybody wants 'regulation' in college sports too, all of the sudden. So weird.
As someone that spends most of their time in the metro area, this election is a good thing. Lumumba was a huge piece of ****, as others have stated in their own ways. Jackson can come back. It will not be easy, but nothing worth having ever is, right? And I know I will get the joke of the Devil living in Jackson from the folks that hate the city. And for those that have bad experiences in Jackson, there is nothing to say. For those, like me, that want to see the city come back. The first step is to make it safe. Once this happens, you can get real investment. And no, it will not be easy, but just giving up is not the answer
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It isnt an attempt at an 'own'. And state involvement wasnt what I commented on. I commented only on wanting federal involvement.
It was me very casually noting that federal involvement was being hoped for, because maybe that will stick with some here moving forward and there will be fewer comments about 'Im from the federal government and am here to help' or that the federal government is just default corrupt/inept/dadebil.
I mean i don't love a lot of federal dollars, but if everyone else is taking it?
Also, the reason jackson is in this mess is b/c its been so poorly ran, and i'm sure i don't have to remind you which "group" did that.
Do you always speak out of both sides of your mouth? Or is it only when you type?
you can tell that lie on another website. You always crawfish when called out on your stupid comments.It isnt an attempt at an 'own'. And state involvement wasnt what I commented on. I commented only on wanting federal involvement.
It was me very casually noting that federal involvement was being hoped for, because maybe that will stick with some here moving forward and there will be fewer comments about 'Im from the federal government and am here to help' or that the federal government is just default corrupt/inept/dadebil.
Pat he's not building any amphitheater out there. Now that he's been given his release papers he will be grabbing every cent from every account available, that theater was just a last minute desperation plea for support so it may look like he was doing something to grab some votes. Now he may very well try to start something quickly there but it will only be to open the bank accounts for raiding. How long have they been talking about building a hotel at the convention center? Same ploy, hire somebody to do another "study" get money approved then skim off the top. Farish St, another ploy but they did pour some sidewalks and plant some trees and shrubs that got stolen before they had a chance to die.
To be fair, there's still a final vote. Kenny Gee won the Republican vote for mayor with 99 total votes. June 3 is the final vote.
Aren't you always talking about cutting waste?
And let's face it, when the state comes in, they are protecting their own interests. They aren't worried about the average citizens of Jackson, and neither are you.
Federal grants are already available, for a number of things. They aren't the city savior either. They aren't going to come in and 'run' the city, it's for specific things, which come with strings attached. Which are good....but they still don't run the place.
There's no question this thing is just a front for him to embezzle more money and get more kickbacks. What I think is funny is that even the architectural drawing looks cheap, and I'm sure if anything ever is built, it'll look a lot worse than that does. More likely, as you say, he bleeds all he can out of it and the project never actually gets built.
They are going to have to get rid of a lot of people in Jackson before the ones that are tax paying law abiding citizens will return. Trying to get the ones that don't contribute and cause the issues is next to impossible because they don't have the will or means to leave. I did over 20 years in the metro and watched it predictably get worse and worse each passing year, hell I did those 20 years in the suburbs and watched them even go down because of Jackson, no way I'm going back to start over with Jackson but I do sincerely hope it does come back.
If Republicans convinced 100% of their constituents to come out and vote, and the Democrats added zero from the primaries, it would still be a landslide. With that level of control, I'd hope Bennie and Horhn would be willing to cross the aisle, sit down with TateR, and figure out how they could make Jackson a better place for all.
You forgot. It's only wasteful federal spending when it's done in the interest of others.It isnt an attempt at an 'own'. And state involvement wasnt what I commented on. I commented only on wanting federal involvement.
It was me very casually noting that federal involvement was being hoped for, because maybe that will stick with some here moving forward and there will be fewer comments about 'Im from the federal government and am here to help' or that the federal government is just default corrupt/inept/dadebil.
He's a career politician, so let me be clear that I'm using the 'political scale' when I rate him. But on that scale, yeah, I'd say he's a good guy. Very friendly toward people on both sides and willing to listen to good ideas from either side. But he can also be firm in decisions and make a tough call if he has to. He and I don't agree on everything politically, obviously (because he's wrong on several things**) but I like him personally.
And what's more important than liking him is that he (a) has good intentions for the city, which I believe/hope he does; and (b) is smart or politically savvy enough to listen to those good ideas and implement them, even if some loudmouth constituents in parts of the city don't like it. Hopefully he will ignore some of the people who have been poison to the city in the past. (And don't just bring in a new crop of poisoners *cough cough* Bennie).
I don't know if it is, but if the best thing for the city is to move the zoo - move it.
If the best thing for the city is to hire more cops - hire them.
If the best thing for the city is to accept help from the state - let them help.
If the best thing on a city construction project would be to hire a licensed and bonded non-minority-owned contractor because they can do the best job and they can do it for less than some bloated local contractor who is paying your cousin a kickback just to get them in the door - F*CKING DO IT.
Don't let your own business interests get in the way of making good decisions for the city.
It's not that complicated. Just get back to business and keep us out of the political toilet.
You okay man? I'm beginning to wonder if horshack stole your login.
Are you worried about the average citizen in Jackson? 17 no.
I don't know if I'm always talking about cutting waste, but certainly I support cutting waste. I don't think the state or feds controlling the water system is going to be super efficient or anything by normal standards, but compared to the city spending money and not having a functioning water/sewer system, I do think the state or feds can clear that bar easily and be a big improvement.
That's why I said self-interested and not charitable. I mean, I certainly do want residents of jackson to have clean running water just like I want anybody to have running water, but also certainly, if it wasn't the state capital and important for Mississippi to generally retain first world status, my appetite for spending federal and state money on it would be less. ETA: I also certainly would understand people from other states taking the position that Jackson voted itself into this mess and now they are getting what they voted for, good and hard and if somebody is going to bail them out it needs to be other Mississippians and not the feds.
The specific things and strings attached are the savior with respect to attaining and keeping first world status. Running a water and sewer system is not rocket science. There are communities with relatively little human capital that manage to do it. Same with having paved roads and being reasonably safe within the CID. Jackson is presumably going to continue to be a 17ing basketcase of a city in general, but if there is enough state and federal control to have running water and sewer, paved streets, reasonably functioning law enforcement and justice system within the CID, there is enough there from state and federal offices plus being a population center in general that it can, if not become a thriving city, at least become the type of place that people don't want an explanation as to why you live there.
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Again, I just don't know what that's going to be relevant to. Welcoming fed involvment is a combination of the very low standards that need to be met here (appoint a conservator so that clean running water is available in a city in the USA; something even the most skeptical libertarian I expect believes is within the capabilities of the feds) and self interest - every dollar the feds put in is probably $0.80-.90 the state doesn't have to put in.It isnt an attempt at an 'own'. And state involvement wasnt what I commented on. I commented only on wanting federal involvement.
It was me very casually noting that federal involvement was being hoped for, because maybe that will stick with some here moving forward and there will be fewer comments about 'Im from the federal government and am here to help' or that the federal government is just default corrupt/inept/dadebil.
Nah I'm just not buying the far-right's bullshlt just like I don't buy the far-left.
I understand what you mean, but you have to admit it's inconsistent. State and feds can't just prop up a city forever anyway. Maybe we get some help, but it's ultimately the goal of government to create an environment where private investment can safely do its thing. If the local government can't ultimately get their heads out of their assses, the people who are left will simply continue to move away.
And lets be honest, the only area of Jackson that has a prayer is the CCID, which is lucky to be state-run due to its situation with all the state-owned land. But the mayor still has to meet them in the middle. Things like moving any decent attraction (like the zoo) to the CCID, are no-brainers. And any outside investments really need to be pointed to that area, unless the investor chooses otherwise. There should be no political barriers to downtown development.
I agree, its a good idea potentially involve them in whatever capacity will be beneficial.
They are wanted when it is viewed as beneficial, makes sense. Hopefully this will lead to fewer people engaging in the dramatics and theatrics that are on such frequent display when they are not wanted.
People launching generalized claims of how the federal government is all corrupt, incompetent, etc and then supporting using them when it is beneficial, is a tough circle to square.
To be clear, my subsequent comments are not directed at onewoof specifically.
The bulk of people who aren't delusional, and the ones that pay taxes overwhelmingly agree that the zoo should close.
It SHOULD have been moved to Lefleur's Bluff, but that was too racist we were told. It would have flourished at Lefleur's Bluff.
Yet not one thing I said is incorrect
Hard to prove you wrong, for sure. Not only do you have to convince the existing Jacksonians to get on board, you also have to convince all the scared suburbanites and small towners that you can safely walk 3 feet inside the city limits and not be simultaneously stabbed and shot from 5 different directions. While I'm overembellishing the danger I am certainly not embellishing what Bubba from Pelahatchie and Christy Joe from Madison thinks. And the fear just magnifies the farther and farther away you get. I mean you have people like L4 who truly think it's Afghanistan.
Local government is not going to get their heads out of their asses anytime soon because that's not what voters want, or at least not what they vote for.
You are correct that the only area with a prayer for the foreseeable future is the CCID, but I suspect the best you can hope for is that the city government doesn't actively try to impede it. It is a depressingly common objection to investment in depressed areas that essentially there is no kickback to people in the area. It's not enough that private investors are going to come in and put money in and make the area nicer. There will be opposition that essentially complains that they will not make any money directly off a project involving land they don't own, work they are not doing, and money they are not investing. They essentially feel cheated because they don't get anything out of it but the area near where they live becoming nicer, just because they have zero involvement in the project.
If Jackson starts seeing significant development in the CID, and the CID starts to actually be nicer, I feel like there is little doubt that you'd start to hear people in Jackson complain that all the investment is going into the CID and that they aren't benefitting from it. And their politicians will probably listen and try to impede more development, and if Horhn won't do it, he will probably be at risk of getting beat for re-election by somebody that will.
Well, now we know why the city is a literal hell-hole.