The new agent rule

[mbc82584]

Does anyone else find it interesting that almost every player who has utilized the new rule where they can hire an agent, but still return to school, have all decided on staying in the draft EVEN BEFORE THE COMBINE HAS HAPPENED?

It seems like this rule, while well intentioned, has put kids in a position to be “sold” on staying in the draft even before they have complete information.

I don’t see a scenario where Keldon or Tyler can know 100% they are top 20 before the combine, but if the agent swears it while also dangling the keys of a Maserati in front of their face, it seems like that influence will almost certainly lead to some bad decisions.

 

[anon1763419335]

i have no doubt that this has played a huge part of what is going on this year across all of basketball.

and it just shows you how much kids dont want to go to college. once the OAD rule is gone, you will see the same thing happen there. it wont be just 5 to 10 guys going to the NBA. it will be 30+ once it gets rolling.

 

[CatEye2010]

i have no doubt that this has played a huge part of what is going on this year across all of basketball.

and it just shows you how much kids dont want to go to college. once the OAD rule is gone, you will see the same thing happen there. it wont be just 5 to 10 guys going to the NBA. it will be 30+ once it gets rolling.

It's a fine line the NCAA is trying to walk: keep the "amateurism" and student-athlete model in place, keep the quality of CBB up, and also realize that these"kids" are over-18 adults who can and will do what's best for them.

Meanwhile we fans are frustrated, sitting by and watching helplessly as the game - and team- we love struggle to stay competitive.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

Anyone that hires an agent to guide them through the draft process is 99.9% going to the NBA. Does anyone think that an agent is going to tell a kid to go back to school and hopefully the kid signs with him next offseason? No the agent makes money when the players do and thats their bottomline. They also don't want to compete for the player with other agents next year if the player's draft stock happens to rise. I'm sure most of these players that sign with an agent that are projected 1st round get a hefty advance, hence why you see PJ KJ TH all rocking their sports cars on their social media.

 

[KYcrazy]

Does anyone else find it interesting that almost every player who has utilized the new rule where they can hire an agent, but still return to school, have all decided on staying in the draft EVEN BEFORE THE COMBINE HAS HAPPENED?

It seems like this rule, while well intentioned, has put kids in a position to be “sold” on staying in the draft even before they have complete information.

I don’t see a scenario where Keldon or Tyler can know 100% they are top 20 before the combine, but if the agent swears it while also dangling the keys of a Maserati in front of their face, it seems like that influence will almost certainly lead to some bad decisions.

This is what has been irking me the past couple days with Herro's and KJ's announcements to stay in the draft. Both of them say they heard the feedback they wanted to hear, but how is it possible to receive meaningful feedback without going through the measurements, workouts, drills, etc. in team workouts and the combine? Who is giving the feedback? How are they giving it? Just off of game film?

This tells me that both never had any intention of coming back unless they were told they would not get drafted first round. All they, or any player nowadays, needs to hear is someone, anyone tell them they are projected first round regardless of how accurate it may be. And how can it be accurate at this point? Again, they haven't even gone through the process yet.

And like Rupp'sRunt mentioned, these agents, while temporary until a player decides to keep their name in the draft, are going to have a biased opinion. The agent wants to make money, and they only do that if the player stays in the draft. An agent has no motivation whatsoever to tell a player to stay in school.

Last thing: I don't like speaking on players' personal lives. But they are buying these cars most likely with loaned money from their agencies that they will have to pay back. Maybe pay back with interest. Spending money you don't even have yet? Seems like these guys are not getting the best advice, both with their projected draft position as well as financially. Shame the adults in the situation (agents, scouts, NBA executives, college coaches, etc.) are putting teenagers in these positions. If you dangle a few mill and a Maserati in front of my face at 18 I'd jump on it too.

 

[Lempface]

Yeah, I think this rule is awful. Agents want a piece of the pie, and they only get that if the kids go to the NBA. Borderline kids will be pushed just on the off-chance they get drafted so the agent can get their percentage. If kids don't have a good support system, it will be easy to be persuaded by the glitz the agents assuredly promise.

 

[mbc82584]

To add to this, I especially think Herro could fall significantly from current projections once he does the combine. If he has a rough shooting performance, which we know is possible, and lackluster measurables (he’s not a huge guard), I could easily see him falling to late 1st/ early 2nd post combine.

 

[mbc82584]

And one more thing, these kids don’t even know who else will be in /stay in the draft yet. How can they know where they’ll be drafted if they don’t even know draft order and who they’re up against?

 

[CatEye2010]

In TH's defense, the 'rati he pictured was used, over 11k miles, and could very well be a rental or loaner. Don't jump to conclusions.

 

[mbc82584]

In TH's defense, the 'rati he pictured was used, over 11k miles, and could very well be a rental or loaner. Don't jump to conclusions.

That’s fair but the timing of these decisions indicates an influence that pushed them to staying in without full info. That influence is most likely the agent, who we know gives loans and signing bonuses and immediate cash.

I think it’s a fair conclusion to say this rule is bad for the college game.

 

[Trinity45]

Does anyone else find it interesting that almost every player who has utilized the new rule where they can hire an agent, but still return to school, have all decided on staying in the draft EVEN BEFORE THE COMBINE HAS HAPPENED?

It seems like this rule, while well intentioned, has put kids in a position to be “sold” on staying in the draft even before they have complete information.

I don’t see a scenario where Keldon or Tyler can know 100% they are top 20 before the combine, but if the agent swears it while also dangling the keys of a Maserati in front of their face, it seems like that influence will almost certainly lead to some bad decisions.

Question what do you think the agent is telling that kid, your not ready go back to school. Because if you did go back to school you don't have to resign with the same agent. Once an agent gets his hooks into a kid they are done for.

 

[mbc82584]

Question what do you think the agent is telling that kid, your not ready go back to school. Because if you did go back to school you don't have to resign with the same agent. Once an agent gets his hooks into a kid they are done for.

Totally agree

 

[KYcrazy]

To add to this, I especially think Herro could fall significantly from current projections once he does the combine. If he has a rough shooting performance, which we know is possible, and lackluster measurables (he’s not a huge guard), I could easily see him falling to late 1st/ early 2nd post combine.

Exactly on both your points. All players need to go through the process before making a final decision. Now, unfortunately, if they've accepted money from these agents which it appears they have then if their draft projection falls they are out of luck as far as changing their minds and coming back to school.

Why any player wouldn't go through the entire process, get valuable and informed feedback, and then make a final decision is beyond me. I can understand it from a Zion or a PJ, but fringe guys like Herro and others should wait until the final pull out date of May whatever it is. Again, it seems these guys are getting bad advice all the way around.

And if we listen to what they said on KSR, they were both told they would most likely be drafted between 10-25 first round. I don't know about anyone else, but that seems like a pretty wide range to me. I would want something more specific such as 10-15 or 15-20.

 

[mbc82584]

Sign a 19 year old kid who is borderline staying or going.

Take them to nice dinners as “business meetings”. Pick them up in your nice car and say “this can be yours while your finishing up the school year.

Guarantee them youve heard they are 10 spots higher in the draft then they really are.

And it’s done. No 19 year old is turning it down at that point.

 

[pauled#1]

Agents are mostly scum bags, if they let the players around them it’s over, they will show the players bags of Benjamin’s and convince them the NBA is the right thing. agents don’t get paid keeping guys in school!

 

[TFCat11]

Horrible rule! Before this, no way a Herro/KJ type player would give up their eligibility before the Combine. So many variables left to consider, not to mention foreign entrants that have yet to declare. This could get a little ugly on Draft Night for one or even both. Yikes! Good luck guys, I’ll definitely be rooting for you regardless.

 

[Looksbetterinblue]

I agree on almost all of these. Cal may also be telling them if they are confident they are golng to likely remain in the draft go ahead and announce so we can be more clear with potential recruits.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

I agree on almost all of these. Cal may also be telling them if they are confident they are golng to likely remain in the draft go ahead and announce so we can be more clear with potential recruits.

Yeah the silver lining of everyone announcing early is it allows us to show recruits that we have spots and minutes available for them.