losing an election is not even remotely on the same playing field of being unhappy and fed up for hundreds of years of racial injustice, bigotry, suppression, violence.....you know the whole story
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losing an election is not even remotely on the same playing field of being unhappy and fed up for hundreds of years of racial injustice, bigotry, suppression, violence.....you know the whole story
it much more than just voting republican as a black person to get the sellout tag....
the looting imo was opportunistic, but some of that destruction were def provocateurs taking advantage of the moment to blight the well intentions of the protests...
No. Armed Trump supporters are showing up outside places where the vote counting is still going . Maricopa County had to close because there was concern for the safety of the counters.
You guys keep telling yourself all this garbage. The media is nothing but a bunch of liars. Spin it to fit their narrative. I still believe someone pulls their strings. I’d not like Trump if I didn’t watch Fox, and they aren’t what they used to be either.
Trump says he’s going to prove this election was stolen. If he’s wrong, I hope he will concede. But, he’s smart, and has proven for almost 4 years how crooked the left and media are, and been right when it comes to all the accusations that have been thrown at him. You guys will rebuke this, you can’t help it. You watch garbage news.
Trump is saying there’s a lot of suspicious things some cities have been doing, like votes by the loads coming in at 3-4 am, after closing at 10pm, with him in big leads, and almost all to Biden, and suddenly Biden has the lead.
If he proves severe fraud has happened, will you guys and gals admit it too?
Trump says he’s going to prove this election was stolen. If he’s wrong, I hope he will concede. But, he’s smart, and has proven for almost 4 years how crooked the left and media are, and been right when it comes to all the accusations that have been thrown at him. You guys will rebuke this, you can’t help it. You watch garbage news.
Trump is saying there’s a lot of suspicious things some cities have been doing, like votes by the loads coming in at 3-4 am, after closing at 10pm, with him in big leads, and almost all to Biden, and suddenly Biden has the lead.
If he proves severe fraud has happened, will you guys and gals admit it too?
Hypothetically speaking of course, if there is voter fraud then I'll certainly admit it but, so far there has been exactly zero evidence. Unless of course you count Trump's incessant screeching, which I suppose works for you.
The part that raises my eyebrows is that for almost 4 years, they've thrown every accusation at him. He's denied and called them liars. And, he's been right. He's saying the same thing about this election. Time will tell.
I find it amazing that the party that has never accepted him being the president, is now asking for America to unify, now that Biden appears to be the next President.
Hypocrisy at its highest.
I find it amazing that the party that has never accepted him being the president, is now asking for America to unify, now that Biden appears to be the next President.
Hypocrisy at its highest.
This stuff is all garbage on his end to delegitimize the vote. Whenever they have been able to get into a court, the court has kicked his claims as unproven. The fact that people are buying into it and that Republican leadership is keeping quiet is really troubling. When you talk about the left being brainwashed, this is an example of how much the Trump supporters have suspended their sense of independent thinking and really makes me worry about the fate of our country.
Time will tell lady. We will see. All I know is he's using the same tone now as he has in saying he's right. What if he does prove major fraud has happened? I'll accept it if he is proven wrong, and concedes. Will you accept the results if Trump is proven right, again?
Of course. But there is no "again." None of Trump's absolutely ridiculous claims about voter fraud (remember 3 million undocumented immigrants voting for Hillary) has ever come close to being accurate, aside from his claim in 2016 that he was going to win. But, even a broken clock is right twice a day. So I am not worried about a second term for Heil Trump. I am more worried about how he is poisoning the well. I look forward to your apology and acceptance of Biden as our 46th president when Trump is proven wrong once again.
Like I said, we will see. By the slim chance Trump does win, we know there will probably be riots and looting. We also know which side won’t riot if it stays as Biden the winner.
Good luck explaining that. For a brief moment the other night I thought about really addressing this, but at the time I didn't have it in me.
why riots and looting...we dont know, when has a presidential election spawned riots and looting?....the short moment of recent protests/rioting/looting had nothing to do trump.....projecting so much fear and angst
You think businesses boarded up, and celebrities getting security were planning on a Biden win?
Aside from proving voter fraud, which he tried and failed to prove in the past with his own hand-picked commission, is Trump's goal simply to wreak havoc on the nation and have his fragile ego massaged?
I ask because surely he doesn't really believe he has grounds to give him back the election. I keep reading and hearing the opinions of Trump fans that it is simply impossible for him to lose by the amount of votes he's losing by and that is not based in reality.
Trump's won in 2016, over a historically bad candidate who forgot to campaign in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, by winning those three states by a combined 77,000 votes. As it currently stands, he stands to lose Michigan alone by nearly twice that much.
The last three states that seemingly have held some hesitation to project for Biden are Georgia, Nevada and Arizona. Biden leads those three states by roughly 64,000 combined votes.
My point for bringing up all this is to show how far Trump would have to reach to actually prove there was a level of fraud high enough to turn this election for him.
Trump lost. Period. He won in 2016, and contrary to what I'm sure you're going to tell me, I don't believe it was because of Russian interference. It was because the Democrats thought it was Hillary's turn, not realizing how disliked she was and not accepting the reality that a good portion of the country wanted a white male back in office after 8 years of Barack Obama.
Joe Biden won in 2020 because he ran against his opponent's character and record at the time the campaign kicked into high gear.
Donald Trump lost in 2020 because he displayed his character and ran against his opponent's son.
I get what you’re saying, to a small degree. Trump won in 16 because the establishment underestimated middle America. She was to be the next anointed one, but “white america” had other plans. The establishment/media were stunned. You’re right that she was the worst pick ever. But now Joe says hello.
Their disdain for him never let up, and they’ve been planning and trying to get him out of office since he came into office. Nothing worked until COVID came along. The establishment piggybacked it, by scaring more people into voting via mail in, opening the door for their girl to get in. I don’t think she would have won had she been the nominee.
If what we’re going through now would have been here in 16, and the establishment been able to convince mail in voting to happen, Clinton would have won then. Mail in (fraudulent?) is why Biden has won, not a disdain for Trump. He has more votes than he got in 16.
Let's hope the Trump supporters show the type of restraint you are currently ascribing to them. However, having seen the motorcades of Trumpites surrounding busses with Biden supporters on them, showing up at the Governor's Office in Michigan with assault rifles to protest the governnor's lock down decision, their appearance at the Maricopa polling station while votes were being counted and their conduct at Charlottesville, I would think it would not be such a good idea to take that bet.
Yes, but he gained a large amount through mail in. The question is, is it going to be legit? More did mail in than ever, and it’s opened the door for shady activity.
just because it was planned for a possibility...one that hasnt ever happened due to election results....cant just make that assertion to fact that that was what was going to happen
i was on read only mode until reading the "when has a presidential election spawned riots" part...i literally googled 2016 election riots and found that there were quite alot. Just one below
a mail in vote is still a voters vote whether they mailed in...early voted, or voted on election day, that is still a citizen that wanted to vote for Joe Biden....you seem to making it some other form of voting that has only one option.....yeah he got more votes in 2020 than in 2016 because more people voted....and both times he lost the popular vote and once the electoral college....so in terms of his 4 chances of WINNING something, he went 1 for 4
You serious? You know why they boarded up. It’s ok to admit it.
far enough on that, but it did start as a peaceful protest, well within rights....how it morphed and what instigated and the like, thats the question, i guess
Exactly. And mail in voting isn't new. I believe I pointed out before that is the only way to vote in Oregon. That is how the military voted and how Trump voted. And, the reason more Biden votes were mailed in is 1) Trump told people that mail in votes wouldn't be safe and his followers, hanging on every word, did not utilize that method and 2) a lot of people affected by the pandemic are in big cities, which tend to vote blue. How about we all be good and patriotic Americans and agree to stop this bickering and work together for the good of the USA.
How about we all be good and patriotic Americans and agree to stop this bickering and work together for the good of the USA.
Where was this sentiment 4 years ago?
Where was this sentiment 4 years ago?
You can't be the worst candidate ever if you win. Hillary was a horrible candidate for a multitude of reasons. Part of why Trump won is because a lot of liberal voters chose to stay home rather than vote for her. I would imagine if they really thought Donald Trump would win those voters would have been more motivated and come out.
You keep bringing up for the disdain that never let up. Trump never allowed for it to let up. He literally started his term by lying about things he didn't need to lie about and insulting the intelligence of basically anyone who wasn't willing to lap up the **** he served.
You seem really confused as to how the promotion of mail-in voting would lead to increased turnout. Are you really concerned that a society who no longer has the patience or attention span to listen to full-length albums would not be more inclined to vote if they were given the option not to make a special trip to stand in line all day?
Next, are you really surprised that the candidate who promoted the safety and legitimacy of mail-in voting would have a better mail-in turnout than the candidate who told his supporters not to worry about Covid and that their mail-in votes would be thrown out?
Finally, do you just consider the votes for Biden to be fraudulent or do you think all the ones for Republican senators and representatives are, too?
Sounds like the media. You get close to admission, but your pride won't let you say what you should. Saying something started as peaceful when it wound up being anything but is a cop out. Both sides have idiots. One's side though, has a much smaller portion that starts trouble, and the core of the base condones it. The other is full of misfits, thugs, spoiled kids... and doesn't get called out like they should. We all know which side is which.
I stand by what I've claimed, that the establishment (left) wants chaos. The major cities are proof.
where was it the previous 8 before that?....obama on election night was vowed to be made a 1 term president right out the gate w/ nary a past like trump brought in....people remembered how obama was treated for no real good reason, well maybe we all know....but trump made it so much easier with his continued lies, antics, spotlight and adoration needing, smugness....and on and on and on....he did that, he had every chance to ingratiate himself, yet spewed hate and divisiveness...and lied and lied and lied and lied and lied and lied and lied about any and everything...CHARACTER MATTERS imo
I truly want a return to politics where I know the people passing laws in this country break bread together after arguing all day.
That said, have you ever seen a president enter office in the manner Trump did?
A commonly stated opinion of his is that opposition to the President (just him, apparently because of that whole Birther thing) was tantamount to treason. Another recurring theme was that the other party hates America. These are just a couple tendencies of his that reared their ugly heads as soon as he took office.
As it stands now, I believe he's the only President to call for the arrest and prosecution of not just one, but two of his political opponents. To say Trump would be a hard person to collaborate with and support is an understatement.
You start out trying to be levelheaded. But, your venom starts to come out, leaving intelligence behind. This isn't rocket science. I'm very skeptical that all these mail ins are legit. Sorry, not sorry. Clinton was a horrible choice. But Sleepy Joe is just as bad, for different reasons though. He's got more votes due to this mail in scheme.
To stop counting at 10 pm at night, then hearing reports of mass mail ins coming in at 3-4 am sounds past suspicious. They were way down too. It's as if they saw how far they were behind, and knew what needed to be done. Now proving it is going to be an uphill battle. I do believe Biden will be the one sworn in, but I don't think it's been fair. It is more than fair if you watch cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs.... but, they've proven to be nothing short of pathetic and corrupt.
EXACTLY....if the fix was in McConnell and Graham would have gotten the boot as well, and a few less House seats would have been lost as well....c'mon
reports from where?....i can def see the counting stopping and mail still being delivered late into the night to be at the places for the start the next day.....all these sites/polling stations have both party representation as actually workers and watching...where are they with their stories of all the nefarious things going on???
Completely shattered by a president who made clear he would only cater to his base. Schumer actually said the Dems would work with him to get things done that were good for America. But then Trump showed his true stripes. I am in a blue state and pay state and local taxes. I am also in a donor state so I get less coming back from my taxes than people in a lot of those red states. Well thanks to his professed hatred of the blue states, the state and local tax deduction has been so scaled back that I get killed each tax day. If you are going to ask why the country could not come together, you have to take a really hard look at the Republican party and its kowtowing to someone who acted out his personal vendettas.
I try to bring Obama up as little as possible when it comes to this because I never had high expectations for how the other side would treat him.
The fear-mongering, hateful rhetoric being passed from conservative media to voters about Obama prior to election was like Al Smith/JFK in steroids. McConnell's one-term president statement was disturbing but also not unexpected. He knew what a lot of the voters in his party were thinking and he wanted to throw a bone to them.
and then there was this https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...ives-forget-history-with-trump-effigy-outrage
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What venom? You say this all the time, but I have to ask what do you consider venom?
Everything statement I made was one of fact.
To clarify so you don't think it was venomous, Trump did insult people's intelligence immediately upon entering office.
He said his inauguration was the biggest turnout ever. It wasn't.
Pictures were shown. He denied them. His press secretary invented the term alternative facts as a retort.
He said his 2016 electoral win was the biggest blowout ever. Everyone knew it wasn't. When presented with facts, he retreated to, "that's what I was told."
Comments like that from the President ot the United States are stupid and, yes, insulting.
We're having a dialogue about why people wanted the President out of office as soon as he got there. I'm not sure where the venom is in my pointing out things the President did and said that immediately after getting there that would lead people to feel that way.
The personal vendetta piece is something we haven't talked a lot about here, but that will be something history will remember.
At times it seems like his whole presidency existed to undo the accomplishments of Barack Obama and to use his bully pulpit to bring Jeff Bezos down a notch or two.