thats the totality of the ramifications of how the virus had been handled since the beginning...20 days in has no bearing on the past year
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Since the likelihood that the people who died had contradicted the virus under the Trump administration, I don't actually know how you can criticize us for holding the guy who let the pandemic rage without doing f**k all responsible. Also, given how difficult it was for Biden to get access to what he needed to during the transition, this "months to figure out" is more nonsense. What has Biden done? Well, he trying to get a covid-relief bill passed and has activated the Defense Act so he could get more vaccine made and could use the military to deliver it.
If Biden is a puppet, who are you claiming is pulling the strings?
If Biden is a puppet, who are you claiming is pulling the strings?
Day 18.5: The median time it takes from the first symptoms of COVID-19 to death is 18.5 days.
Trump literally ignored the virus as long as he could, and downplayed it the rest of his term. He was also the one who dismantled our pandemic response team back in 2018, a team that could've saved thousands of lives.
Trump also licked the darkest part of Putin's lily white *** when it was revealed they meddled in the 2016 and 2020 elections.
You like to click those heels in and dig deeper. To the point it’s past comical, to sad. Biden is nothing more than a puppet. If I had to guess, Obama is one of many behind the scenes. Biden isn’t smart enough, nor does he have the energy to do what needs to be done. His brain is mush.
I also think it should be adjusted by region. It’s a lot cheaper to live in rural West Virginia than NYC.
There was an article in the NY Times today about how this country could save democracy from the conspiracy theorists, who refuse to accept reality. I know you will toss it off as MSM indoctrination, but since you keep telling me how my ideas are dangerous to this country, I am going to say that back. Your refusal to engage in critical thinking and to put blinders on poses dangers to our democracy,
You have shown NO willingness to quit playing politics. None. As a matter of fact, you just dig in deeper, reporting what a quack of a paper types, citing it as fact.
Like I said, your views are not comical, they’re sad.
It is a ******** lie that Trump did nothing. He was being praised by every leader, republican and democrat for his actions until it became political season. No one can say what Trump should have done that would have reduced the deaths. I can however say what some governors could have done, a lot of them democrats.
Great point. This shows how entrenched the left is. Had NY been led by a Republican, he would have been run out of that state. Other states as well, but NY is the most known, and that hack got an Emmy.
Then you have the worthless Ol hag, Pelosi, earlier in the pandemic telling people to go out and have fun. Plus, going into that salon with no mask. Again, if she was a Republican, she would have been toast.
Facts.
Literally no one praised his response. Republicans defended it sure but that's about it. He should've taken it seriously from the start for one thing. There are literally people who flat refuse to take precautions because of him. He should've actually instituted lockdowns and once again should have not dismantled our pandemic response team. He was supposed to be our leader and instead turned it into a political tool himself.
I will say, he gets a lot of flack for shutting down travel to and from China which is undeserved. That was the one thing he should've done which he actually did. But he still did nothing to slow the spread once it was actually here and in fact accelerated it.
One 600.00 per week is 31200 .00 per year.Two minimum wage is starter level pay and Mr Sam who has worked there forever would have had numerous raises so your analysis is totally wrong.No one is going to stay at a minimum wage job forever
Don’t know how to link but Newsome in California said the same thing .Shatter has completely drank the liberal kool aid of orange man bad or he is an out and out liar
Maybe in the radical right, but Fauci made clear that he was not praising Trump and desperately wanted him to act differently. Maybe there were some Republicans dumb enough to think this buffoon had stepped up, but they were probably the presidents of their college student board.
I believe you are mistaken that Eric Trump, who from the start said that the coronavirus was a hoax thought up by the Democrats to keep his father out of office, was a Democratic. He is actually a Republican.
some people unfortunately do...thats the best they can do....and 600 a week is 2400 a month....times 12 months is 28,800...thus my 28k....sure some raises...but more than likely not making 15hr still
Why did Cuomo and Newsome say that Trump gave them everything they needed to fight the virus
There are 52 weeks in a year.Like most liberals you do not understand that a business sets wages commensurate to the money that they generate for said business.To start someone out at double the pay means a raise in prices which reduces demand. and sales.This is why the CBO said it would eliminate 1.4 million jobs.What Will you do you do about these people?
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You quoted the same post twice with two different responses. I don't know which one is more useless.
fair enough, as i know a couple of months you get and extra week...and I never said it should go to 15hr...especially for a teenager, but someone which there are many work those jobs as their source of income families and doing the best they can should approach that...also never said start someone out at 15hr for a traditional 7-8hr job
That’s because she gets so mad, and just starts pounding keys.
It’s our fault she drinks.
A novel idea might be to let business owners decide the wages they pay.
Our government isn’t smart enough, nor do they care about the repercussions. I pay my guys based on knowledge and experience, and I know if the day comes where minimum wage goes to somewhere close to $15/hour, I’ll have to adjust everyone, and adjust my labor per hour.
We know who will be paying more for the work my place does: the customer.
There you go again using logic and your business experience regarding an emotional decision.Nothing should stand in the way of making people who have no skin in the game on the feel better
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Then who will determine who gets a larger minimum salary and who gets the 8.00 for an eight dollar job
Really, most liberals don't understand this basic premise? You think we are all mental midgets? Or maybe you believe that no liberals are small business owners. I am the child of a small business owner as are many of my liberal friends, many of whom, in turn are small business owners. I wonder if you can make a legitimate point without insulting everyone. Novel idea I know, but just do it once and see how it works.
There is some gaffe with my MAC so that I don't see how the posts are going to look until it is too late. And, Mac, I don't drink so why don't you shut the f***k up about things of which you have no knowledge.
Don’t think you are a mental midget.That gives you too much credit
Well I was wrong. However Cuomo and apparently Newsome? Are from everyone, as Ghost said.
I have not lied once in this thread and if believing facts is drinking liberal Kool-Aid then yeah sure, I down about a gallon a day.
Well. It was a general statement about leaders. Not everyone. If I cared enough I could find just about every governor giving Trump credit for his response to the pandemic. Including Michigan's, New Jersey's, California's and NY's governors, who are not Trump fans. Then, with a flip of a switch, they changed their tunes once campaigning got into full swing.
I have no issues with people being critical of Trump and his response, or lack thereof. As long as it is reasonable criticism and not sensationalism. To say he did nothing is flat out ignorant. To refuse to give him credit for the things he did right is also ignorant. But that's where we are. People continue to blame him for a virus that we all knew would not be stopped until an effective vaccine was produced and distributed even though they don't have any logical answer to what they would have done differently. And the only reason why is because they don't like him.
As said before, the criticism of him shutting down travel to and from China was overblown. However that does not erase the fact that he downplayed it, turned it into a political tool and encouraged his supporters to not take necessary precautions. If he hadn't, and in fact acknowledged it seriousness in public (like in he did in a private conversation shortly after learning about it) then we would be having a different conversation. But he didn't and he didn't take any serious action until it was already a pandemic.
Just to help illustrate my point, India, which is about 3 times smaller than the US, with almost 4 times the population has had about 10 million infected with 150,000 dead, the US? 27 million with 450,000 dead. I'm sorry but that my friend is unacceptable. I know you guys say that actions count a lot more than words, and to an extent that's true but, Trump's words have caused an absolutely pathetic loss of life in the States.
Trump was intentionally put in a no win situation. The virus, as we all know, was created in a lab, to cause chaos, loss of lives, and to then hurt the economy. He could have done a few minor things possibly different, but those that say he downplayed it are haters only, and no matter what he’d have done, it wouldn’t have been good enough.
The biggest thing accomplished by Covid is the left used it to expand the fraudulent mail in voting, just to get him out of office. An honest election was a landslide victory for Trump.
Worse part of all of it is they cheated so bad right in front of America, laughed about it in the process, and in doing so, completely destroyed our election process.
The biggest thing accomplished by Covid is the left used it to expand the fraudulent mail in voting, just to get him out of office. An honest election was a landslide victory for Trump.
Worse part of all of it is they cheated so bad right in front of America, laughed about it in the process, and in doing so, completely destroyed our election process.
I disagree that it was Trump that turned it into a political tool. But that's whatever. India's statistics don't really illustrate your point. There are a lot of different possibilities for the differences in cases/deaths in different areas of the world. Natural immunities, health and lifestyles and what they consider covid deaths vs what we consider covid deaths all impact the statistics. That's everywhere, not just us vs India. It also doesn't mean that it is Trump's fault. Which is what we're debating here. I am not going to say that Trump did a perfect job dealing with the pandemic or that he wasn't irresponsible for encouraging large crowds at his rallies. But how the media and Trump haters view his overall response is so disingenuous.
We are a federation that has individual governed states and territories. Each state is responsible for their citizens and in the event that they cannot protect or provide for their citizens, they request help from the federal government. But you and many other people want to skip over holding governors and local governments accountable for what you believe is wrong and want to blame Trump for everything wrong and not give him any credit for what he did right. It's ridiculous. No one does everything right just like no one does everything wrong.
A basic understanding of civics and how our country works would greatly improve the accuracy of a lot of these posts. Its not that they are wrong that is the issue, its the fervent belief that they are right that is hard to comprehend
Toxic woke culture. The people of France have a point.
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@durhamgolfer, nothing on your governor Cuomo, and these revelations against him?
They were accurate to give him an Emmy. Because he’s done one hell of an acting job.
They were accurate to give him an Emmy. Because he’s done one hell of an acting job.