The new playoff system completely screws an undefeated MSU

[AHSDawg]

If we are undefeated, all the new playoff system does is force us to play another difficult game before the NC game. Basically, the way I see it, the new system just rewards a team like Alabama or Auburn or TSUN (or Oregon, MiState, ND, etc) and gives them another chance at winning it all. If Auburn wins out, it would basically assure that we would have to have a rematch against at some point.

At this point, the most MSU thing that would happen to us is that we go undefeated and then lose to Auburn in the 1st round of the playoffs and Auburn then goes to the NC game. (sorry, just had to get some of my old MSU self out)

 

[aTotal360]

Should we get a special bye? What do you propose?

 

[BiscuitEater]

Well ...

If we are undefeated, all the new playoff system does is force us to play another difficult game before the NC game. Basically, the way I see it, the new system just rewards a team like Alabama or Auburn or TSUN (or Oregon, MiState, ND, etc) and gives them another chance at winning it all. If Auburn wins out, it would basically assure that we would have to have a rematch against at some point.

At this point, the most MSU thing that would happen to us is that we go undefeated and then lose to Auburn in the 1st round of the playoffs and Auburn then goes to the NC game. (sorry, just had to get some of my old MSU self out)

#1 We still have 5 games to play, 2 against 1 loss teams. "IF" we are undefeated through 12 games, it means we have more than likely defeated FIVE top 10 Teams. NO ONE will want a piece of this team ... period.

#2 This new system could help us get to the NC game. And, if we do make it, it's the price every team will have to pay to win the NC from this year going forward. It's well worth it to be able to say ... "Mississippi State - the first TRUE CFB National Champion"

 

[kendrickjohnson]

Getting rid of the SEC championship game would help.

 

[AHSDawg]

Just simply pointing out that last yr's system would have been easier for us. That's all. Not saying that we cannot do it or won't do it. Just saying.

 

[bulldogbaja]

The first 15-win team in the history of college football

 

[coackjek]

if thats the case...

Getting rid of the SEC championship game would help.

why shouldn't we can the divisions as well?

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Some years, like 2004 for instance, the playoff is perfect. Sometimes, two teams separate themselves and we really only need one game. Still, there are other years where we don't even need that game because one team is so much better than the rest. Every option has its drawbacks.

Let's just win the SEC. Everything else is out of our control.

 

[civildawg88]

No, what really is going to screw us is if we win every game except Alabama and not get in because the committee doesnt want the SEC bias. I fully expect that to happen too

 

[crazy88]

The first 15-win team in the history of college football

I really haven't thought about it like that. Just think of how few NFL teams can win that many in a row and they're paid professionals.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

how about we just beat arkansas first?

 

[SwampDawg]

Yes, right back where we started from.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Um, this is true in every sport at every level of competition. In any sport that has a playoff, you typcially have 1 team who had the best regular season record. You might have two teams who tied for the best record, but rarely more than just two. By holding a playoff, you automatically give teams who did not win the regular season a second chance to try to come back and win the trophy. It is the nature of competition.

If MSU goes undefeated, then we will probably play in the Sugar Bowl instead of the Rose Bowl, and we will play the #4 seed. That would be our prize for an undefeated season, playing closer to home and playing the last seed in the playoffs.

In 1992 when we first had the SECCG, everone said the system screws Alabama. Alabama was undefeated and ranked #2, but they had to go ahead and play Florida before they faced Miami for the National Championship. In the end, though, the Championship Game has turned into one of the things that makes the SEC so great. It is good for everyone, even though it is occasionally an obstacle for a would be National Champion.

 

[bulldognation]

So if I read you right, you're angry that they're taking the top 4 teams for a playoff?

If the season were to end TODAY, then I can see your argument. But it doesn't. There's a lot of football left to be played. And if you look at one potential outcome, then you have to consider the other.

What if we lose a game or two and end up as #3 or #4? Under the BCS system, we wouldn't have a shot at all. You'd rather we be shut out of a potential National Championship?

 

[Philly Dawg]

And we can lose a game and still have a shot. That was never going to be the case for MSU in the past.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

If we are undefeated, all the new playoff system does is force us to play another difficult game before the NC game. Basically, the way I see it, the new system just rewards a team like Alabama or Auburn or TSUN (or Oregon, MiState, ND, etc) and gives them another chance at winning it all. If Auburn wins out, it would basically assure that we would have to have a rematch against at some point.

At this point, the most MSU thing that would happen to us is that we go undefeated and then lose to Auburn in the 1st round of the playoffs and Auburn then goes to the NC game. (sorry, just had to get some of my old MSU self out)

Yeah but that same system might give a 1 loss MSU team a chance to play for a National Championship.

 

[AHSDawg]

Got news for you. Rarely will an MSU team with A loss get a chance at the championship. If we ever lose 2, we have no shot. And like others have stated, if we do not win the SEC, we won't get a shot this year. There is way too many factors out of our control. The only thing we can control in this is to win them all. That is the only way I see us getting a true shot. And if we win them all, again, I say that this causes us to have to play an extra game.

 

[maroonmania]

If we are undefeated, all the new playoff system does is force us to play another difficult game before the NC game. Basically, the way I see it, the new system just rewards a team like Alabama or Auburn or TSUN (or Oregon, MiState, ND, etc) and gives them another chance at winning it all. If Auburn wins out, it would basically assure that we would have to have a rematch against at some point.

At this point, the most MSU thing that would happen to us is that we go undefeated and then lose to Auburn in the 1st round of the playoffs and Auburn then goes to the NC game. (sorry, just had to get some of my old MSU self out)

Let's worry about how we get screwed being undefeated AFTER we go undefeated. We still have our 2 toughest road games left against current Top 10 foes plus a game we better be ready for this weekend at home. THAT is what I'm worrying about, not how we will get screwed if we win all of our regular season games AND the SEC title game.

 

[fishwater99]

Getting rid of the SEC championship game would help.

I think we will see this happen in the future.
The Big 12 doesn't have a championship game and that gives them an advantage over the SEC.
Notre Dame is not in a conference either.

 

[patdog]

I don't see the SEC giving up $15M+ in revenue that the SECCG generates.

 

[johnson86-1]

And we can lose a game and still have a shot. That was never going to be the case for MSU in the past.

We're probably in the same boat we would have been for the past 5 years. Win the SEC championship with 0 or 1 loss, and we get a shot at the natty because of the strength of the SEC. Don't win the SEC CG, and we'll probably get screwed whereas a team with Bama, LSU, or Auburn type name recognition still has a shot to be a second SEC team in teh playoffs.

 

[Cherokee]

Here's a plan

The new playoff while better than the BCS is short-sighted and actually creates more problems. This year you've had a couple of teams rise to prominence (at least at this stage of the season) (I'm talking MSU and TSUN) which makes choosing even more difficult. Scrap the current 4 team playoff and expand it to 10 teams with a single elimination format. Take the two SEC, Big 10, Pac 12, ACC division winners, the Big 12 winner, and 1 "at-large". The For all but the two winners of the "play-in" games, this would require no more games than now. Likely the two "play-in" winners wouldn't make it to the championship so most years there are no more games to play than now with the conference championships and the semi-finals.

Now, put the play in and first round games on campus and you have a recipe for $$$$$$ and unbridled enthusiasm.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

The problem with the playoff is that with 4 teams you still have a great amount of subjectivity on who gets in. It's easy to put undefeated power 5 teams in, but let's say you have only 2 spots for 1-loss teams and about 5 worthy 1-loss teams. You really have no good objective way of determining the winner (even a method based purely on numbers has a bit of subjectivity because at some point a person decided which numbers were meaningful and that the results from the numbers are meaningful). Imagine if wildcard spots in NFL or MLB were determined based on things besides wins and losses, such as how well their division played against other divisions.

The 16 team superconferences are coming. It's only a matter of time. With 5 superconference and an 8 team playoff, you'd grant auto-bids to the conference champions. At-large bids will follow some sort of mathematical formula purely based on wins and losses, like ranking the conferences based on how they did overall against each other and awarding the at-large bids based on that.

 

[ckDOG]

Playoffs inherently screw any undefeated team.

Nature of the beast. My biggest worry now would be the conference championship game question. SEC is not getting rid of it voluntarily. There is too much money at stake. The question is should all confs be required to have a champ game or should all be required to bypass.

 

[GloryDawg]

The highest seed will travel to the closes bowl to their school and the committee will do everything possible to keep a lower seed from being a home team and they are going to try and keep from having any rematches in the frist round. So to pull it off there is going to have to be only one SEC school.

This is my understanding how the match ups are going to work.