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They got a new camera and that schedule! 😆
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Bill Walton be like, “as long as the BIGTen allows pot inside the arenas I’ll be good” as he hums the Michigan fight song through a mouthful of brownie.
Maybe they’ll stream their games on Facebook Live!
 
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Just might be an opening for Cal and Stanford in the Vitamin Conference so the Big 12 has a West Coact presence and grabs the Bay Area TV market
 
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mikebal9

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I think Cal and Stanford will find a home (although Stanford may just go independent). I think Oregon State and Washington State are gonna have to get friendly with Uconn, BC, and Syracuse and form a misfits club.
 
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mikebal9 said:
I think Cal and Stanford will find a home (although Stanford may just go independent). I think Oregon State and Washington State are gonna have to get friendly with Uconn, BC, and Syracuse and form a misfits club.
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I wonder why many feel Stanford would go independent in football.
I don't think they'd be better off doing the Notre Dame thing placing their other sports in a conference than playing football as an independent.
They just don't have the type of following that would make being independent in football a good move
Joining the Mountain West, with OSU & WSU is probably is what they'll do
 
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mdk02

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MADHAT1 said:
I wonder why many feel Stanford would go independent in football.
I don't think they'd be better off doing the Notre Dame thing placing their other sports in a conference than playing football as an independent.
They just don't have the type of following that would make being independent in football a good move
Joining the Mountain West, with OSU & WSU is probably is what they'll do
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Stanford would get what, 30% of the money ND gets for broadcast rights? Probably less.
 
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Washington State vs Stanford you say?

 
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mdk01 said:
Stanford would get what, 30% of the money ND gets for broadcast rights? Probably less.
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I'm surprised you think it could be as much as 30%. Stanford certainly has a better sports franchise than Cal, but compared to Notre Dame the Tree is just not on the map, even leaving outside that they're in the Pacific time zone. But I do think that Stanford has a better chance of landing on its feet than Cal. That's what happens when you mismanage your program for over a half century. (Cal last reached the Rose Bowl in 1959).
 
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Bill must be real sad.
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You kidding? His team will now be the all-time best in the Big Ten. Yeah, Walton will be sad.. but he'll get over it... if BTN hires him.

Have to say, that PAC-4 thing is just sad. Nothing funny about it. It's piling on.. for no good reason. It is not like PAC fans have been bastards to everyone.
 
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Worst-case scenario is the Pac-12 remaining schools take on the best of the Mountain West and the AAC. Since the CFB playoff has the top six conference champions so the revised Pac-12 should be okay. Under the new reality, Wazzou has a much easier path to the CFB Playoff than U Dub.
 
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Great story on demise of PAC12 and the PAC12 Network(s) in the paywalled The Athletic:


From that point forward, the presidents, led by Scott’s principal champion, Arizona State’s Michael Crow, gave him anything he wanted — and what he wanted most was to launch a media company that he would run for a princely salary (eventually $5.3 million).

Scott’s ill-advised strategy to launch the Pac-12 Networks without a proven media partner like ESPN has been well-documented. The bizarre seven-channel model struggled to gain distribution and never came close to delivering its projected revenue figures. It became an albatross from which league members could never escape.

But it wasn’t just Scott who screwed this up. As The Athletic recounted last year, the league in 2015 had a deal in hand to finally get the network on DirecTV — and the presidents, led by Crow, rejected it. Were this the SEC, they would not have been allowed back at work the next day. But that’s not how they do things out west.

 
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Great story on demise of PAC12 and the PAC12 Network(s) in the paywalled The Athletic:


From that point forward, the presidents, led by Scott’s principal champion, Arizona State’s Michael Crow, gave him anything he wanted — and what he wanted most was to launch a media company that he would run for a princely salary (eventually $5.3 million).

Scott’s ill-advised strategy to launch the Pac-12 Networks without a proven media partner like ESPN has been well-documented. The bizarre seven-channel model struggled to gain distribution and never came close to delivering its projected revenue figures. It became an albatross from which league members could never escape.

But it wasn’t just Scott who screwed this up. As The Athletic recounted last year, the league in 2015 had a deal in hand to finally get the network on DirecTV — and the presidents, led by Crow, rejected it. Were this the SEC, they would not have been allowed back at work the next day. But that’s not how they do things out west.

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Seven channels for the PAC12? I guess they were running shows like “Housewives of the PAC12 Coaches” and “Bill Walton: High and Unabridged.”
 
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retired711 said:
To quote an old song, "There but for fortune/ Go you and I." Yes, Cal has run its athletic program terribly for sixty years, but we're not in a position to laugh at them.
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I’m laughing at the website - not the schools.

Honestly, I feel for the students, alums and fans of these schools. Before that fateful Saturday in 2012…I was convinced irrelevance was going to be our fate, after WVU, Cuse and Pitt bolted.
 
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Joey Bags

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This is, for all intents and purposes, the death knell of college football. This is not a sustainable model going forward, period. Two super conferences will kill the rest of the sport, making the sport as a whole unsustainable.

Have to wonder what the NFL thinks, if things really blow out over the next 5-10 years they will have to do something to shore up junior interest in the sport to preserve enough pro level talent to fill out rosters.
 
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Knight Shift said:
Great story on demise of PAC12 and the PAC12 Network(s) in the paywalled The Athletic:


From that point forward, the presidents, led by Scott’s principal champion, Arizona State’s Michael Crow, gave him anything he wanted — and what he wanted most was to launch a media company that he would run for a princely salary (eventually $5.3 million).

Scott’s ill-advised strategy to launch the Pac-12 Networks without a proven media partner like ESPN has been well-documented. The bizarre seven-channel model struggled to gain distribution and never came close to delivering its projected revenue figures. It became an albatross from which league members could never escape.

But it wasn’t just Scott who screwed this up. As The Athletic recounted last year, the league in 2015 had a deal in hand to finally get the network on DirecTV — and the presidents, led by Crow, rejected it. Were this the SEC, they would not have been allowed back at work the next day. But that’s not how they do things out west.

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A number of posters on the Cal board are flapping their lips about how Cal and other schools should bring an anti-trust suit. I realize that anti-trust is not your specialty, not is it mine. It seems to me that at a minimum it would have to be shown that ESPN and Fox were in cahoots. Your thoughts?
 
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mdk02

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retired711 said:
A number of posters on the Cal board are flapping their lips about how Cal and other schools should bring an anti-trust suit. I realize that anti-trust is not your specialty, not is it mine. It seems to me that at a minimum it would have to be shown that ESPN and Fox were in cahoots. Your thoughts?
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With Lina Khan running the FTC I certainly wouldn't rule it out, even if she loses in the end.
 
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retired711 said:
A number of posters on the Cal board are flapping their lips about how Cal and other schools should bring an anti-trust suit. I realize that anti-trust is not your specialty, not is it mine. It seems to me that at a minimum it would have to be shown that ESPN and Fox were in cahoots. Your thoughts?
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Not sure, but seems like a specious claim. Weekend brain engaged.
 
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Joey Bags said:
This is, for all intents and purposes, the death knell of college football. This is not a sustainable model going forward, period. Two super conferences will kill the rest of the sport, making the sport as a whole unsustainable.

Have to wonder what the NFL thinks, if things really blow out over the next 5-10 years they will have to do something to shore up junior interest in the sport to preserve enough pro level talent to fill out rosters.
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I don’t why it would be a death knell . People would need to stop watching for that to happen .
 
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Plum Street said:
I don’t why it would be a death knell . People would need to stop watching for that to happen .
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Well if the G5 schools largely disband (no idea what becomes of the 75+ G5 schools but they clearly aren’t part of the FBS’ future) you’re going to lose a lot of cumulative viewership. You’re also going to have a lot fewer kids opting or able to play college football.
 
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I doubt that. Plenty of cities without NFL teams watch NFL, not to mention countries.

And most states will have teams in the big boy leagues
 
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retired711 said:
To quote an old song, "There but for fortune/ Go you and I." Yes, Cal has run its athletic program terribly for sixty years, but we're not in a position to laugh at them.
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Agreed. And anyone that thinks the deck chairs won't be realigned again in early 2030s when the Big Ten, SEC, Big 12 and ACC contracts are all within close to completing is fooling themselves. This is a money game now. Period. Traditions, history, and academic alignment values have no place in that game. If a media company or small set of media companies wants a Saturday mini-NFL all to themselves they may pony up big for the best 32 college teams in terms of media and fan bases that fill stadiums Coast to Coast. They would keep the bulk of the media cash with the rest getting scraps. You can pretty much predict who is guaranteed and who is likely to be left out of that party.
 
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Joey Bags said:
Well if the G5 schools largely disband (no idea what becomes of the 75+ G5 schools but they clearly aren’t part of the FBS’ future) you’re going to lose a lot of cumulative viewership. You’re also going to have a lot fewer kids opting or able to play college football.
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Why would G-5 schools disband? They already make no money, nothing has changed for them.
 
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