The Save Act
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JUST IN: We filed an Amendment to the SAVE America Act to move the voter ID requirements up to cover elections on or after November 1st, 2026.
We strongly support the SAVE America Act, but voter ID cannot wait until 2027, we need to restore election integrity before the midterms. These elections will be vital. Control of Congress is on the line. Every vote must be legitimate, every ballot must be legal, and ONLY American citizens should get to decide America's future.
Even the poorest of poor have ID. The Homless man got an Id.
Sometimes I feel like I'm living in crazy land. Everyone who votes ALREADY MUST have a Driver's license.
Obtaining one's birth certificate or obtaining a Passport is another whole level of bureaucracy and headache that millions upon millions of American citizens can't or won't do. It's not precedent AT ALL and will lead to CLEAR voter suppression.
Are Maga's too propagandized to realize this? It's legit so confusing to me.
Gun ownership suppression laws are more extensive than just needing an ID. Many states in addition to requirng those wanting to exercise their constitutiona rights to spend their time and money to travel to places to get the addtional ID or requirements (such as fingerprinting) there are monetary fees, sometimes extremely high.
Info googled up from AI below (not legal advice, check your local and state ownership supression laws for yourself).
Fees for Licenses and Permits
| State | Permit Type | Estimated Fee | Duration |
|---|---|---|---|
| California | Firearm Safety Certificate (FSC) | $25 | 5 Years |
| Connecticut | Permit to Purchase | $70 (plus ~$88 fingerprint fee) | 5 Years |
| Hawaii | Permit to Acquire | $43.25 (One-time fingerprint fee) | 14-20 Days* |
| Illinois | FOID Card | $10 | 10 Years |
| Maryland | Handgun Qualification License (HQL) | $50 (plus fingerprint fees) | 10 Years |
| Massachusetts | FID Card / License to Carry (LTC) | $100 | 6 Years |
| Minnesota | Permit to Purchase | $0 (Free) | 1 Year |
| Nebraska | Handgun Purchase Certificate | $5 | 3 Years |
| New Jersey | Firearms Purchaser ID / Handgun Permit | $50 / $25 per handgun | Lifetime / 90 Days |
| New York | Handgun / Semiautomatic License | $10 – $400+ (Varies wildly by county) | 3–5 Years |
Important Nuances
- New York: This is the most expensive and complex state. In New York City, the fee is approximately $340 plus fingerprinting costs (totaling nearly $430), whereas upstate counties may charge as little as $10 plus fingerprinting.
- Hawaii: While the permit itself is technically "free," you must pay a one-time fee for a mental health and criminal background check (fingerprinting), which is currently $43.25.
- New Jersey: They recently increased their fees significantly. It is now $50 for the initial Firearms Purchaser ID card and $25 for each specific handgun permit you request.
- Minnesota: This is one of the only states where the "Permit to Purchase" is processed by local police at no cost to the applicant.
1. States with a "License to Own"
These states require residents to maintain a valid license to legally possess firearms in their homes or on their person.
- Illinois: Requires a Firearms Owner Identification (FOID) card to legally [possess any firearm or ammunition](https://www.ammunition depot.com).
- Massachusetts: Requires a Firearms Identification (FID) card or a License to Carry (LTC) for the possession of any firearm.
- New York: Requires a license specifically for the possession of handguns and semiautomatic rifles.
2. States with a "Permit to Purchase"
These states require you to obtain a permit or safety certificate before you can acquire a firearm, though it may not be required to maintain "ownership" once the gun is legally in your possession.
- All Firearms: Connecticut, Hawaii, and New Jersey require a permit for all firearm purchases.
- Handguns Only: Maryland, Minnesota, and Nebraska (private sales) require a permit or certificate specifically for handgun acquisitions.
- Safety Certificates: California requires a Firearm Safety Certificate (FSC) for all firearm purchases, and Washington requires a similar certificate specifically for semiautomatic rifles.
No. Sorry, I made a post that I meant to put in the economy thread. I posted in the wrong thread not you.
My bad
haha! I get it. I've got the flu so my brain is a bit scrambled and for some reason I thought that it was meant for me.
Man.
Crickets from all of the degens on this.
Crickets from all of the degens on this.
The SAVE America Act now goes to the Senate where it needs 60 votes to pass, meaning we will need at minimum 7 Dems to vote with the GOP, which will never happen.
The only option is going nuclear and bypassing this insane filibuster rule.
Let the Dems squeal all they want, it won’t matter. If we pass election security, they will never sniff the White House or a majority in Congress ever again. End the zombie filibuster, bypass the insurrectionist Democrats, advance the SAVE America Act to Trump’s desk, we win 2028 in a landslide.
Not only will Trump have stronger majorities to pass the MAGA agenda, but the entire Democrat election fraud scheme will be exposed and confirmed for the public. This will prove the Dems have been using illegals and fraud to cheat in elections, and thus have destroyed the entire idea of “democracy”.
This is how we save America from the Left-wing takeover.
not saying this will happen, but some are proposing that republicans steal a page from the Democrats and kill the filibuster for this vote.
Dems would rather be racist than to have a fair election. They would rather be everything they claim to hate , than to have fair elections
Black people are too dumb to get ID? What a stance!
Poll tax? Ok then let’s remove the requirement to show an ID for the 2nd amendment. Why is one ok but not the other?
Black people are too dumb to get ID? What a stance!
Poll tax? Ok then let’s remove the requirement to show an ID for the 2nd amendment. Why is one ok but not the other?
And yet, one has to present those documents to enter a Federal building, fly, obtain a Real ID, or collect Snap or welfare services.
just had to show ID to pick up a prescription
Oh look another thread where people believe there is rampant voter fraud (without proof), and don't understand what people need to vote.
Also some of yall need to read the 24th amendment.
Also some of yall need to read the 24th amendment.
This post by Growls says the quiet part out loud. Republicans believe that this will help them win elections because of imaginary fraud by Democrats by making it harder to vote. Not because they care about election integrity but because they falsely believe this will keep Democrats from winning another election. The motive belies the facts.
Yes, we show our Driver's License everywhere. That's not up for debate.
When your wife picks up your meds, does she bring her birth certificate to pick them up? What about her passport? Or your birth certificate? Or your passport?
A Driver's License is already required to vote. MAGA is trying to create an extra layer of bureaucracy to vote which will prohibit people- it doesn't just effect Democrats, but the government is supposed to protect and enable all its people, and creating more bureaucracy that will prohibit people from voting is government malpractice
The MAGA playbook:
- Make up lies (The Democrats are committing voter fraud!)
- Turn it into propaganda (The Democrats are using illegal immigrants and dead people to steal elections!)
- Rally their base around the lies/propaganda until it outrages an entire set of the population (The Democrats stole the election from Trump in 2020 so we must not let it happen again and change the laws!)
- Completely stomp on the constitution as a response to the lies/propaganda they made up (Introduce more bureaucracy by clear voter suppression to prohibit American Citizens from voting through things like the Save Act to make sure Democrats never sniff the White House or a majority in Congress ever again.)
Rinse and repeat with every issue- this is just the one keeping American's from voting.
Watch them twist themselves into a knot over voter ID and come off as the dumbasses they are.
Just because it's easy for you, doesn't mean it's easy for everyone. And a reminder, this bill is "supposedly" to prevent non-citizens from voting - something they already cannot do. The critics believe this a way to suppress voter turnout, which I also believe.
Primary Barriers for Voters
- Documentation Access: The bill requires "documentary proof of citizenship" (DPOC)—typically a passport or birth certificate—to register to vote. An estimated 21 million eligible Americans do not have easy access to these documents.
- Name Discrepancies (The "Marriage Penalty"): Roughly 69 million women have a current legal name that does not match their birth certificate due to marriage. Under the act, these voters may be required to provide additional records, such as marriage licenses or court-ordered name changes, to prove their identity.
- Mandatory In-Person Registration: The act would effectively eliminate online and mail-in registration by requiring voters to present their documents in person to an election official. This places a disproportionate burden on:
- Rural Voters: Those who live far from local election offices.
- Low-Income Voters: Individuals who may not have the time off work or transportation to visit an office in person.
- Voters with Disabilities & Seniors: Those for whom traveling to a government office is physically difficult.
- Invalidation of Common IDs: Most standard state-issued driver's licenses and REAL IDs do not satisfy the act's requirements because they do not explicitly indicate citizenship status on the front of the card.
- Frequent Voter Purges: The bill mandates that states regularly purge their voter rolls using federal databases. Critics warn this could lead to eligible citizens being mistakenly removed from rolls shortly before an election.
Impacted Groups
- Naturalized Citizens: Their records may not be immediately updated in federal databases, increasing the risk of being flagged during purges.
- Students: Many students attend college away from home and lack easy access to their original birth certificates or passports.
- Transgender Individuals: Those whose legal name or gender identity has changed may face similar mismatch hurdles to married women.
- Military Voters: Service members stationed away from home may find it difficult to provide physical documents in person.
yes, some of them are that dumb..and to make things worse, they present themselves to national media to show the entire country that they are voting for something they know nothing about.
Steal a page. All they do is pass stuff via reconciliation. And that is supposed to be used for budget related legislation. Good luck making that connection here.
Do people have a constitutional right to Snap or welfare services, or to enter a federal building? Rhetorical question, Farley.
so, does a citizen give up a constitutional right to vote if required to show an ID?
can't do this via reconcilliation.
You might recall, it was democrats who started the "no filibuster" in order to get federal judges approved. Ergo, "steal a page" reference
Dpic.....how will the SAVE Act make it harder for American citizens to vote??? Please answer in detail. Any other board libs please also answer.