I agree. I know I can be one to jump the gun. hahaha
The very clear line....
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I agree. I know I can be one to jump the gun. hahaha
I'm aware (was in the thread several months ago Willy referenced), was just stunned by the mine vehicle. And I love that meme.
Same..I guess I'm technically supposed to be less worried bc I'm white...but if I ever see a cop all I think about is he is looking for something he can write a ticket for not necessarily fighting crime. All I see them as are money collectors for the government.
I try and avoid the police as well. Lot of times, they are meatheads on power trips. Or they may have their nightstick rammed up their *** and have to be giant sticklers.
I also know that respect and cooperation go a long way. I've done some terrrribly stupid things that could have gotten me in big trouble. The cops were furious when they saw me breaking the law. They saw I was white, though after about 3.1 seconds. It's not like when I was caught pissing on the subway they said "Oh he's white, no biggie, we'll approach him with laughter and give him a slap on the wrist".. nope. What got me through it (or not shot) was downright admitting I messed up, it was wrong, followed instructions, fully cooperated, changed my tone of voice, and took the Public Urination/Lewdness ticket with no qualms.
I get that race plays a factor, but only to an extent. If every officer was a blatant racist who just assumed every black person was the problem and shot them out of fear (like some here insinuate)... this wouldn't be a 5x a year thing (or however many are happening).. it would be 500x A DAY.
I also know that respect and cooperation go a long way. I've done some terrrribly stupid things that could have gotten me in big trouble. The cops were furious when they saw me breaking the law. They saw I was white, though after about 3.1 seconds. It's not like when I was caught pissing on the subway they said "Oh he's white, no biggie, we'll approach him with laughter and give him a slap on the wrist".. nope. What got me through it (or not shot) was downright admitting I messed up, it was wrong, followed instructions, fully cooperated, changed my tone of voice, and took the Public Urination/Lewdness ticket with no qualms.
I get that race plays a factor, but only to an extent. If every officer was a blatant racist who just assumed every black person was the problem and shot them out of fear (like some here insinuate)... this wouldn't be a 5x a year thing (or however many are happening).. it would be 500x A DAY.
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****, I'm not. I'm scared shitless that one of these Tackleberrys will blow my head off for saying "Yes sir"
I don't know if there will be any other accounts honestly, besides whatever the police conclude. Anybody trying to paint Castile as a criminal is going to have a hard time doing so.
Anyway, I'm not so much interested in conclusions to tragedies that have happened as I am trying to find solutions to help prevent them in the future.
One idea I had:
Why not increase police salary? There's an argument to be made thst thry deserve it considering the dangers they face, but more importantly, we need the best and thr brightest to have stronger incentives to serve the public good.
Actually 79, several of the surrounding counties got them
Here's one from one of the neighboring counties. Why does a police force need this.
You keep trying to lecture me about race when I keep bringing up that I'm just as concerned about the 275 white people killed so far this year in encounters with police, and talking about policing tactics and training and NOT about race. YOU are making our interactions about race. So seriously, piss off with your "soft bigotry" bs. I'm not expecting any less of black people than white people, and I'm no less concerned about white people being killed by cops. I'm going out of my way to NOT make this about race. You're also very obviously not paying any damn attention to things I've said because, aside from somehow concluding that this is about race to me, you also seem to be missing that I keep saying I don't think this is a "bad racist people who just want to murder people" issue but rather a problem in training and tactics and in overstating and overfocusing on the risk to cops to the degree that we accept people getting killed if they flinch in a way that makes a cop scared. I keep bringing up that plenty of cops and departments seem to deal with people without shooting them, and that most other countries seem to train their police to restrain even armed and violent individuals without the use of lethal force in response. You've ignored nearly every damn thing I've said in the last 2 days to turn around and lecture me based on a complete strawman position.
And again, I'd like to hear your response to the issue of how the vanishingly rare murder of police is (roughly 1 cop killed for every 27 people killed by cops this year). If we should neglect the 1000+ per year dead because of how rare it is, how can you then turn around and act like the much rarer killing of police officers is serious enough to justify the trembling trigger finger some of these cops seem to have. Talk about soft bigotry - you seem to think cops aren't capable of being held to a standard that so many cops here in America and the rest of the world actually do manage to live up to.
Well, that would be an account of what happened wouldn't it? Unless you've already concluded that the cops are going to lie.
We can't come to an accurate conclusion on how to deal with these instances in the future if we don't know fully what happened in this instance.
Whats going to happen in the future is already happening in St Louis and Baltimore, the cops aren't going to get involved in black communities as much. Crime jumped 60% in Baltimore and 56% in St Louis.
It won't be worth risking their lives and careers, and I don't blame them, and there will be a shortage of cops in those areas.
I haven't concluded cops are going to lie.
Amendment to original phrasing then:
By all accounts thus far.
Side bar: One of Facebook's trending stories is canceling of "Uncle Buck" after 2 episodes. It was basically Hollywood's lazy *** attempt to rehash old material, but this time with Mike Epps and a black family. I read about 60 of the top responses.
Most whites blamed it on being old material, ruining a classic, being lazy. All valid reasons. A few neanderthals made racial comments about them turning it into a black family, which I don't agree with. Funny is funny, don't care if it's any color of family.. but NO TV show in the PC age is going to touch Uncle Buck. I'd be just as annoyed if they tried to make a TV Show called "Bad Boys" with Jason Bateman and Chris Pine.. Be original.
But African American's blamed it, ENTIRELY, on race. "Guess it ain't enuff white ppl in the cast or the white ppl that are casted ain't throwing racial jokes", "I swear black shows get the ax all the damn time!" and "Of course they did. They have an all black cast, positive family image, and clean comedy"..
Pretty glaringly obvious our race issues aren't just on one side of the equation.
Most whites blamed it on being old material, ruining a classic, being lazy. All valid reasons. A few neanderthals made racial comments about them turning it into a black family, which I don't agree with. Funny is funny, don't care if it's any color of family.. but NO TV show in the PC age is going to touch Uncle Buck. I'd be just as annoyed if they tried to make a TV Show called "Bad Boys" with Jason Bateman and Chris Pine.. Be original.
But African American's blamed it, ENTIRELY, on race. "Guess it ain't enuff white ppl in the cast or the white ppl that are casted ain't throwing racial jokes", "I swear black shows get the ax all the damn time!" and "Of course they did. They have an all black cast, positive family image, and clean comedy"..
Pretty glaringly obvious our race issues aren't just on one side of the equation.
How the hell do you shoot someone when all you have is a baton and a whistle?
Why would it be? Race is brought up in absolutely everything. Identity politics are all that matters. Everyone has this need to put you in some category? It's either by race, sexual preference, gender or religion. It' constant. If you have multiple boxes checked off, you become even more furious and an "activist."
Our schools focus on "diversity." Our media can't stop talking about it so they can be the savior of these people and pass off the main villain for everyone as "straight white conservative male" for everything. No other group is allowed to be criticized and no one is interested in solutions anymore because there aren't any.
Blacks are taught to hate whites. Whites get sick of being blamed for everything. And round and round we go.
I read a conversation with a black guy who was obsessed with diversity and discussing HBCU. He took issue with a guy saying Howard wasn't diverse. He then brought up that "Univ. of Florida wasn't diverse. It was just whites. Howard was diverse. It's just whites don't come there." No other race seems to want to either.
Anyways, he said Florida was 70 percent white. In actuality, it's 58 percent white. Howard is is 95 percent black. This guy's definition of diversity was comical. He couldn't comprehend that there was more diversity at Florida than Howard because he associates diversity with whites. Howard is somehow more diverse because it has 95 percent blacks.
Now we have elementary schools in New York, segregating classrooms (blacks in one, whites in another) and teaching about white privilege to 6-year-old kids.
We hear this "we only want common sense gun regulations, we don't want to take anyone's guns, you rednecks are paranoid"....and then the same people proceed to make statements and comps to gun control countries clearly advocating taking all guns.
That is why it's so frustrating to have that conversation. They absolutely do want to take guns away and have plans to do just that but they know they can't do it all at once. They have to chip away.
The irony of the anti-gun crowd saying "Only cops should have guns" only to follow it up with "cops are racist and targeting blacks."
Actually 79, several of the surrounding counties got them
Here's one from one of the neighboring counties. Why does a police force need this.
They don't. Most of these places are boring with nothing going on and cops jump at the chance for some action and act like they're in a movie.
I can't stand cops because they have this lunchroom warrior complex and mess with people a lot of the times simply to flex their muscles or to generate some revenue.
Can I acknowledge that the job sucks? Yes. Can it be dangerous? Obviously more so in terrible areas..yes. Are they often justified in shootings? Yes. Is it worth it? Nope.
I think the problem is you have way too many of two types of cops.
1. The psycho who can't wait to play with his toys and harm people and enjoys power.
2. The scared shittless type who shoots quickly.
19 people killed so far in July, 566 for the year, do you think he can name a person who isn't black? It doesn't fit his narrative and yet he calls anyone who doesn't follow his agenda, racist.
Can any level headed person tell me why the media is focusing on these 2 murders by cop and not the other 17 this month? I'll hang up and listen........
Because they need the black vote and to keep blacks angry and feeling oppressed and as if Democrats are their saviors.
That's it. That's what it always is.
The irony of you posting this stat after arguing with everyone in the other thread about white vs black crime percentages.
This is off topic, but I have come to the conclusion that at least 2/3 of the "blue lives matter" blue light bulb club is racism. The remaining 1/3 is policemen's family. I've asked a few that aren't tied to law enforcement about why they're into it and the answer always turns to "they" and "them" doing all those protests about BLM. Passive agressive racism?? Guess so.
Don't most stats include Hispanics with whites? Even further distorting the results?
11 % of violent crime is committed by whites.
More than 50 % of people killed by cops are white.
More than 50 % of people killed by cops are white.
So in your world, a black guy has more to fear being in a white neighborhood than a white guy does in a black neighborhood?
Is this a serious statement? Because if there's one thing I know, it's when someone says "That's a bad neighborhood" they're usually talking about white areas.
Wow. What a storehouse of info. Every police killing in the US since 2013, including links to the story behind them. Obviously no one is going to read them (well, jamo maybe) but it is great reference source..
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.Maybe when guys like this come around? Not one in every little rinky-dink town of course but one somewhere in the area prepared to move out might be nice.Actually 79, several of the surrounding counties got them
Here's one from one of the neighboring counties. Why does a police force need this.
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That's exactly what started the police arming themselves to the Tee. They were absolutely powerless against 2 guys with AK 47's and body armor.
I think it was the Clinton administration that started giving law enforcement old military equipment, then 9/11 kicked it into overdrive.
Surprised the LEO weren't preparing for full body armor when Ma Kelly was blowing away cops in 1931........
Not really on topic but reading about Kelly and Dillinger is pretty entertaining. The book "Public Enemies" was awesome. It's funny how a lot of folks cheered for the outlaws over cops back in that day.
Not as much nowadays.
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Here is a very nice database also, but the few on here with their agenda will ignore this too........
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...counted-police-killings-us-database?CMP=fb_tc
Different time. Al Capone was a king.
I've never cheer if a cop gets hurt. Just want them to stop killing people. There is other means to apprehend other than just shooting people.
I just envision today's cops being so lazy that instead of flipping the switch to turn off the lights, that they would rather just use their gun to shoot the bulb out.
MSNBC wont tell you all the facts, here is a few things to know about Alton Sterling. 3...2....1....go
http://www.allenbwest.com/matt-palu...t-you-to-know-about-louisiana-shooting-victim
http://www.allenbwest.com/matt-palu...t-you-to-know-about-louisiana-shooting-victim